14 team league
Start QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, TE, 2 Flex
Owner proposed:
Michael Pittman
TJ Hockenson
for my
Terry McLaurin
2023 1st (projected anywhere from 1.1-1.14 based on new league rules)
I have 3 firsts next year and that teams pick is usually a playoff team but you never know.
Thanks!
TJ Hock/Pittman vs McLaurin/2023 1st
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TJ Hock/Pittman vs McLaurin/2023 1st
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Re: TJ Hock/Pittman vs McLaurin/2023 1st
Who is your current starting TE?
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Re: TJ Hock/Pittman vs McLaurin/2023 1st
Frieiermuth. We could start up to 3 though in the flex spots. Something I just realized is the league is changing the draft format. Losers bracket champ gets 1st overall pick. And to prevent tanking, picks 1.2-1.7 will depend on how good you finish in the losers bracket. So that pick could be anywhere from 1.1-1.14!
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Re: TJ Hock/Pittman vs McLaurin/2023 1st
The new league rules regarding draft order are pending vote results with league members.
Re: TJ Hock/Pittman vs McLaurin/2023 1st
Pittman/Hock by a lot for me. Hock is top 5-8 TE with upside to go higher. Pittman is the best asset in the deal. I love collecting 1sts but I'd prefer Pittman here.
14 TM / Devy / SuperFlex / TEP
1 Q / 2 RB / 2 WR / 1 TE / 1 SF / 3 F / 1 DT / 2 DE / 3 LB / 2 CB / 2 S / 1 F
QB: Jordan Love, Trevor Lawrence
RB: Zamir White, James Conner, Trey Benson, Jaylen Warren, Will Shipley
WR: Michael Pittman, Puka Nacua, Drake London, Christian Kirk, Josh Palmer, Ricky Pearsall
TE: Trey McBride, Jake Ferguson, Noah Gray
PK: Justin Tucker, Jason Myers
DT: Quinner Williams, Grover Stewart
DE: Alex Highsmith, Jonathan Cooper, Gregory Rousseau, Matt Judon
LB: Fred Warner, Dre Greenlaw, Ernest Jones, Alex Anzalone, Jack Campbell
CB: L'Jarius Sneed, Deommodore Lenoir, Taron Johnson
S: Derwin James, Talanoa Hufanga, Kareem Jackson, Chauncey Gardner-Johnson
DEVY: RB Nick Singleton RB PSU, Carson Beck QB UGA, Jeremiah Smith WR OSU, Micah Hudson WR Tex Tech, Trevor Etienne, RB UGA, Dylan Raiola QB Nebraska, TJ Moore WR Clemson
2025 DEVY DEPLETED PICKS: 3 x 1sts, 2 x 2nds, 3 x 3rds, 4th, 6th
1 Q / 2 RB / 2 WR / 1 TE / 1 SF / 3 F / 1 DT / 2 DE / 3 LB / 2 CB / 2 S / 1 F
QB: Jordan Love, Trevor Lawrence
RB: Zamir White, James Conner, Trey Benson, Jaylen Warren, Will Shipley
WR: Michael Pittman, Puka Nacua, Drake London, Christian Kirk, Josh Palmer, Ricky Pearsall
TE: Trey McBride, Jake Ferguson, Noah Gray
PK: Justin Tucker, Jason Myers
DT: Quinner Williams, Grover Stewart
DE: Alex Highsmith, Jonathan Cooper, Gregory Rousseau, Matt Judon
LB: Fred Warner, Dre Greenlaw, Ernest Jones, Alex Anzalone, Jack Campbell
CB: L'Jarius Sneed, Deommodore Lenoir, Taron Johnson
S: Derwin James, Talanoa Hufanga, Kareem Jackson, Chauncey Gardner-Johnson
DEVY: RB Nick Singleton RB PSU, Carson Beck QB UGA, Jeremiah Smith WR OSU, Micah Hudson WR Tex Tech, Trevor Etienne, RB UGA, Dylan Raiola QB Nebraska, TJ Moore WR Clemson
2025 DEVY DEPLETED PICKS: 3 x 1sts, 2 x 2nds, 3 x 3rds, 4th, 6th
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Re: TJ Hock/Pittman vs McLaurin/2023 1st
I like the value here for you in the deal.ChuckDiesel405 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 4:39 pmFrieiermuth. We could start up to 3 though in the flex spots. Something I just realized is the league is changing the draft format. Losers bracket champ gets 1st overall pick. And to prevent tanking, picks 1.2-1.7 will depend on how good you finish in the losers bracket. So that pick could be anywhere from 1.1-1.14!
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Re: TJ Hock/Pittman vs McLaurin/2023 1st
Thanks that's what I thought. It's always good to hear others opinions.
Re: TJ Hock/Pittman vs McLaurin/2023 1st
Hock and Pittman
TEAM 1
12 Team Half PPR Superflex ..1Qb , 2Rb, 3Wr,1 Te, 2Flex 1Superflex 1Def
QBs: Dak,Goff, Burrow
RBS: Bijan,Pacheco,D.Harris,Fournette,GibsonDillon,Penny, Darell Williams,Chestnut,Ty Chandler,M
Ingram, Goodson, K.Ingram
WR:Lamb,Tee,DJM,AJB, Boyd
TE Goedert,
DEF Eagles, Broncos,
12 Team Half PPR Superflex ..1Qb , 2Rb, 3Wr,1 Te, 2Flex 1Superflex 1Def
QBs: Dak,Goff, Burrow
RBS: Bijan,Pacheco,D.Harris,Fournette,GibsonDillon,Penny, Darell Williams,Chestnut,Ty Chandler,M
Ingram, Goodson, K.Ingram
WR:Lamb,Tee,DJM,AJB, Boyd
TE Goedert,
DEF Eagles, Broncos,
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Re: TJ Hock/Pittman vs McLaurin/2023 1st
Possibly the top pick? No way. With your draft uncertainty I wouldn't be interested in any picks at this point. The asset value is too uncertain.
3-time Champs 2017/2018/2021 | 10-team | .50 ppr | Unique league rules for waiver wire and roster limits | Bid on all non rostered players each Wed w/ funds going to end of season prize
Roster:
QB - A Richardson, J Fields
RB - N Chubb, T Etienne, D Achane, R White
WR - C Lamb, J Waddle, Kupp, T Dell, T McLaurin
K - E McPhearson
TE - D Goedert, T Hockenson
DL- N Bosa, C Lawson, J Sweat
LB - E Kendricks, I Simmons, D Jones
DB - D James, B Baker, H Smith, J Brisker
Roster:
QB - A Richardson, J Fields
RB - N Chubb, T Etienne, D Achane, R White
WR - C Lamb, J Waddle, Kupp, T Dell, T McLaurin
K - E McPhearson
TE - D Goedert, T Hockenson
DL- N Bosa, C Lawson, J Sweat
LB - E Kendricks, I Simmons, D Jones
DB - D James, B Baker, H Smith, J Brisker
Re: TJ Hock/Pittman vs McLaurin/2023 1st
This is where I’m at. I’d rather have McLaurin than Pittman. Who knows if/when Hock will truly break out.VinniVidiVici wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 8:54 am Possibly the top pick? No way. With your draft uncertainty I wouldn't be interested in any picks at this point. The asset value is too uncertain.
It would be pretty rough for this picks team to just miss playoffs and go on to win the losers bracket. Even if they do make the playoffs and pick ends up later. That’s probably closer to Hock’s value in a non TE prem. Some may not even give that.
McLaurin and the 1st for me.
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Re: TJ Hock/Pittman vs McLaurin/2023 1st
let them know this just rewards solid teams who just miss playoffs with top players. theres a reason the vast majority of leagues use potential points for sorting draft order.ChuckDiesel405 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 4:42 pm The new league rules regarding draft order are pending vote results with league members.
also i prefer terry and the first, dont think hock is pulling a 23 first even late with the hype around the class. and theres no reason to have pittman and terry far apart in rankings or expected production
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram
2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)
team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,
1,2,3,3,5
team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson
Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram
2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)
team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,
1,2,3,3,5
team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson
Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp
Re: TJ Hock/Pittman vs McLaurin/2023 1st
Exactly. In fact, it incentivizes teams who could make the playoffs to tank for the losers bracket if they don’t think they can win it all. Tanking is only an issue if you use wins and loses to determine order. We installed potential points for the top six picks and it’s gone wonderfully.BigBawseRoss wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 11:24 amlet them know this just rewards solid teams who just miss playoffs with top players. theres a reason the vast majority of leagues use potential points for sorting draft order.ChuckDiesel405 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 4:42 pm The new league rules regarding draft order are pending vote results with league members.
also i prefer terry and the first, dont think hock is pulling a 23 first even late with the hype around the class. and theres no reason to have pittman and terry far apart in rankings or expected production
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12-team, PPR 25 roster 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1(RB/WR/TE), 1 D/ST
QB J. Burrow, A. Richardson
RB J. Taylor, B. Hall, D. Henry, D. Achane, K. Miller, R. Johnson, M. Sanders, T. Sermon, C. Patterson, P. Strong, K. Ingram, TDP
WR AJ Brown, J. Chase, C. Lamb, C. Ridley, JSN, G. Pickens, K. Osborn, J. Meyers, A. Pierce, T. Scott
TE T. Kelce, D. Goedert, G. Dulcich, J. Woods
D/ST MIN, PIT, DEN
Panthers
12-team SF, .5 PPR 35 roster: 1QB, 1SF, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2FLEX, 2DB, 2LB, 2DL, 1FLEX
QB J. Burrow, A. Richardson, B. Mayfield, J. Winston, S. Howell
RB J. Mixon, E. Elliott, N. Chubb, J. Kelley, K. Harris, J. Ford
WR T. Higgins, C. Ridley, J. Smith-Njigba, D. Hopkins, C. Godwin, J. Mingo
TE T. Kelce, K. Pitts, Z. Ertz, D. Goedert, J. Ferguson
DB R. Grant, J. Simmons
DL D. Hunter, A. Highsmith, S. Hubbard
LB C. Mosley, A. Singleton, P. Queen, D. Deablo
1.03, 2.03, 2.06, 3.05, 4.06
12-team, PPR 25 roster 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1(RB/WR/TE), 1 D/ST
QB J. Burrow, A. Richardson
RB J. Taylor, B. Hall, D. Henry, D. Achane, K. Miller, R. Johnson, M. Sanders, T. Sermon, C. Patterson, P. Strong, K. Ingram, TDP
WR AJ Brown, J. Chase, C. Lamb, C. Ridley, JSN, G. Pickens, K. Osborn, J. Meyers, A. Pierce, T. Scott
TE T. Kelce, D. Goedert, G. Dulcich, J. Woods
D/ST MIN, PIT, DEN
Panthers
12-team SF, .5 PPR 35 roster: 1QB, 1SF, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2FLEX, 2DB, 2LB, 2DL, 1FLEX
QB J. Burrow, A. Richardson, B. Mayfield, J. Winston, S. Howell
RB J. Mixon, E. Elliott, N. Chubb, J. Kelley, K. Harris, J. Ford
WR T. Higgins, C. Ridley, J. Smith-Njigba, D. Hopkins, C. Godwin, J. Mingo
TE T. Kelce, K. Pitts, Z. Ertz, D. Goedert, J. Ferguson
DB R. Grant, J. Simmons
DL D. Hunter, A. Highsmith, S. Hubbard
LB C. Mosley, A. Singleton, P. Queen, D. Deablo
1.03, 2.03, 2.06, 3.05, 4.06
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Re: TJ Hock/Pittman vs McLaurin/2023 1st
I had the same issue in one league. Loser bracket got 1.01. It caused people who were at the bottom of the playoff bracket to tank to get into the loser bracket, knowing they wouldn't beat other playoff teams, but could get the 1.01.Edgy68 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 4:54 pmExactly. In fact, it incentivizes teams who could make the playoffs to tank for the losers bracket if they don’t think they can win it all. Tanking is only an issue if you use wins and loses to determine order. We installed potential points for the top six picks and it’s gone wonderfully.BigBawseRoss wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 11:24 amlet them know this just rewards solid teams who just miss playoffs with top players. theres a reason the vast majority of leagues use potential points for sorting draft order.ChuckDiesel405 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 4:42 pm The new league rules regarding draft order are pending vote results with league members.
also i prefer terry and the first, dont think hock is pulling a 23 first even late with the hype around the class. and theres no reason to have pittman and terry far apart in rankings or expected production
We changed the rule that the loser bracket gets an extra pick at the end of the first round (In our 12 team league the pick was "1.13"). That curbed the weird playoff tank issue, and still incentivized the loser bracket to want to do well.
Team 1. 12 team. 1 PPR. 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 FLEX 2017 2nd, 2018 2nd, 2019 1st, 2020 1st, 2021 2nd, 2022 1st
QB - Watson, G. Smith
RB - Henry, Ekeler, Kamara, D. Pierce, AJ Dillon, J. McLaughlin, Gainwell
WR - J. Jefferson, Diggs, AJ Brown, T. Higgins, M. Thomas, Cooks, Bateman, R. Moore, C. Tillman, J. Hyatt, D. Parker
TE - Kelce, J. Ferguson
2024 - 1,2,3,4,5
2025 - 1,2,3,4,5
Team 2. 12 team. .5 PPR. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 FLEX 2019 1st, 2020 1st, 2021 2nd, 2023 Full rebuild mode
QB - Tua
RB - T. Spears, Z. Charbonnet, C. Hubbard, R. Rivers, D. Vaughn, J. Kelly, Chubb (IR)
WR - London, J. Downs, R. Rice, Burks, J. Jeudy, A. Pierce, C. Tillman, R. Bell, D. Parker, D. Slayton, Cooks
TE - J. Ferguson
2024 - 1,1,1,2,2,2
2025 - 1,1,2,2,5
QB - Watson, G. Smith
RB - Henry, Ekeler, Kamara, D. Pierce, AJ Dillon, J. McLaughlin, Gainwell
WR - J. Jefferson, Diggs, AJ Brown, T. Higgins, M. Thomas, Cooks, Bateman, R. Moore, C. Tillman, J. Hyatt, D. Parker
TE - Kelce, J. Ferguson
2024 - 1,2,3,4,5
2025 - 1,2,3,4,5
Team 2. 12 team. .5 PPR. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 FLEX 2019 1st, 2020 1st, 2021 2nd, 2023 Full rebuild mode
QB - Tua
RB - T. Spears, Z. Charbonnet, C. Hubbard, R. Rivers, D. Vaughn, J. Kelly, Chubb (IR)
WR - London, J. Downs, R. Rice, Burks, J. Jeudy, A. Pierce, C. Tillman, R. Bell, D. Parker, D. Slayton, Cooks
TE - J. Ferguson
2024 - 1,1,1,2,2,2
2025 - 1,1,2,2,5