C J Anderson

[cashew559]

In my dynasty league, C J Anderson was undrafted last year. He will therefore, be available in this year's draft. How would you rate him up against Gurley and Gordon???

[HawkeyeState]

Behind Gurley and ahead of Gordon for me. If your a contender and all you need is that RB1 to get a title I could see someone taking Anderson ahead of Gurley since Gurley might be on PUP to start the year. But if your going BPA then Gurley CJA Ajayi Gordon for me

[Pac_Eddy]

Depends on the landing spots for Gurley & Gordon. Most likely I'd put Anderson after both of them, but it's not certain. I agree with @HawkeyeState that he's likely an RB1 with immediate impact.

[Jfever]

Behind each. CJ has showed that he is capable of playing in the league. He however (to those of you that say you are talent over situation) - which I think most are full of it btw, - Anderson isn't on same level as Gordon or Gurley as it pertains to NCAA resume or overall measurables / size, speed, talent. BUT - he does currently play in the backfield of a Payton Manning offense and it currently considered the lead back of his rb corp - and that is worth something.

Long term outlook - on a non-win now team - I'd take Gordon or Gurley over Anderson. I'm not near as high on CJ as some around these parts and I very much view him as a product of P.Manning's system and a beneficiary of a few random injuries to other rbs. I'm of the mind set that Ball still may carve out a role there. It may be short yardage/ goal line stuff - but, it'll be a role.

[AZK]

Lets remember 2 years ago Hillman was supposed to be the guy and Knowshon came crawling out of the shadows to take the lead role. Last year Ball was supposed to be the guy and fell flat on his face leaving the door open for the job to be taken. Elway picked Ball in the 2nd round, he's not going to just give up on him. Not saying it won't be CJA this year but I definitely do not trust the Broncos RB's and will not be buying CJA anywhere. Give me Gurley/Gordon all day, and I'm a Broncos season ticket holder.

[REPTAR]

Lets remember 2 years ago Hillman was supposed to be the guy and Knowshon came crawling out of the shadows to take the lead role. Last year Ball was supposed to be the guy and fell flat on his face leaving the door open for the job to be taken. Elway picked Ball in the 2nd round, he's not going to just give up on him. Not saying it won't be CJA this year but I definitely do not trust the Broncos RB's and will not be buying CJA anywhere. Give me Gurley/Gordon all day, and I'm a Broncos season ticket holder.

The difference being none of these other players performed on a level even remotely close to CJ. CJ blew them all out of the water, in every aspect.

[AZK]

Lets remember 2 years ago Hillman was supposed to be the guy and Knowshon came crawling out of the shadows to take the lead role. Last year Ball was supposed to be the guy and fell flat on his face leaving the door open for the job to be taken. Elway picked Ball in the 2nd round, he's not going to just give up on him. Not saying it won't be CJA this year but I definitely do not trust the Broncos RB's and will not be buying CJA anywhere. Give me Gurley/Gordon all day, and I'm a Broncos season ticket holder.

The difference being none of these other players performed on a level even remotely close to CJ. CJ blew them all out of the water, in every aspect.

I'll give you that CJA didn't start all 15 games last year and that he looked pretty good while doing it, but the yards per carry aren't that far apart...

CJ Anderson
Year Team G Att Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Lng 1st 1st% 20+ 40+ FUM
2014 Denver Broncos 15 179 11.9 849 4.7 56.6 8 27 47 26.3 7 0 0

Knowson Moreno
Year Team G Att Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Lng 1st 1st% 20+ 40+ FUM
2013 Denver Broncos 16 241 15.1 1,038 4.3 64.9 10 31 53 22.0 5 0 1

I posted this stat awhile back in another CJA thread but he carried the ball 109 times between weeks 12-15 last year. He was good with his opportunity but alot of RB's would be with Peyton back there and that many carries.

[knotts4372]

imo on talent i have it as gurley, gordon, ajayi for sure then we can start talking about anderson. no way i think he should go before those 3 rb tho imo. and maybe even another 1 or 2 depending on where they get drafted

[moishetreats]

Behind each. CJ has showed that he is capable of playing in the league. He however (to those of you that say you are talent over situation) - which I think most are full of it btw, - Anderson isn't on same level as Gordon or Gurley as it pertains to NCAA resume or overall measurables / size, speed, talent. BUT - he does currently play in the backfield of a Payton Manning offense and it currently considered the lead back of his rb corp - and that is worth something.

Long term outlook - on a non-win now team - I'd take Gordon or Gurley over Anderson. I'm not near as high on CJ as some around these parts and I very much view him as a product of P.Manning's system and a beneficiary of a few random injuries to other rbs. I'm of the mind set that Ball still may carve out a role there. It may be short yardage/ goal line stuff - but, it'll be a role.

Talent isn't always in measurables. See Brady, Tom; Foster, Arian; Warner, Kurt. And talent doesn't always lead to production. See Ball, Montee; Hunter, Justin; Patterson, Cordarrelle.

Lets remember 2 years ago Hillman was supposed to be the guy and Knowshon came crawling out of the shadows to take the lead role. Last year Ball was supposed to be the guy and fell flat on his face leaving the door open for the job to be taken. Elway picked Ball in the 2nd round, he's not going to just give up on him. Not saying it won't be CJA this year but I definitely do not trust the Broncos RB's and will not be buying CJA anywhere. Give me Gurley/Gordon all day, and I'm a Broncos season ticket holder.

I look at it the other way: Anderson, so far, has been the only one to excel. Yes, Moreno had great numbers (as another poster showed), but he didn't excel. It's hard for me to understand why Anderson doesn't get credit for achieving success where other more-highly-regarded players failed -- despite the so-called Peyton effect (it sure didn't help those other guys excel!).

I'll give you that CJA didn't start all 15 games last year and that he looked pretty good while doing it, but the yards per carry aren't that far apart...

CJ Anderson
Year Team G Att Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Lng 1st 1st% 20+ 40+ FUM
2014 Denver Broncos 15 179 11.9 849 4.7 56.6 8 27 47 26.3 7 0 0

Knowson Moreno
Year Team G Att Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Lng 1st 1st% 20+ 40+ FUM
2013 Denver Broncos 16 241 15.1 1,038 4.3 64.9 10 31 53 22.0 5 0 1

A. I think that those numbers are VERY far apart (4.7 vs. 4.3!!). And the fact that he only started a few games yet put up those counting totals is spectacular.
B. Moreno's consistent use, as you might recall, came from the fact that he was/is an exceptional blocker and not because he was an exceptional runner.

Bottom line: I am fully in on CJ.

[CrimsonKodiak]

Just a note to the Manning effect. Manning was deteriorating fast towards the end of the season, which is when CJA starting producing numbers. while defenses always have to be prepared for the aerial attack with Manning, I don't think the left the box wide open every play for CJA to run through.

I'm a full on buy for CJA, I own him in every league and I'm excited for what he can do with a "healthy" Manning or another team/QB in 2016.

[kmbryant09]

Just a note to the Manning effect. Manning was deteriorating fast towards the end of the season, which is when CJA starting producing numbers. while defenses always have to be prepared for the aerial attack with Manning, I don't think the left the box wide open every play for CJA to run through.

I'm a full on buy for CJA, I own him in every league and I'm excited for what he can do with a "healthy" Manning or another team/QB in 2016.

^^ This ^^

Look at Manning's numbers down the stretch. Then look at Anderson's.

He was producing without the so-called "Manning effect", not against soft defenses gearing up to stop the pass.

[AZK]

Just a note to the Manning effect. Manning was deteriorating fast towards the end of the season, which is when CJA starting producing numbers. while defenses always have to be prepared for the aerial attack with Manning, I don't think the left the box wide open every play for CJA to run through.

I'm a full on buy for CJA, I own him in every league and I'm excited for what he can do with a "healthy" Manning or another team/QB in 2016.

^^ This ^^

Look at Manning's numbers down the stretch. Then look at Anderson's.

He was producing without the so-called "Manning effect", not against soft defenses gearing up to stop the pass.

Yea but look at the team defenses they played down the stretch. MIA was hampered by line backer issues late in the season. KC was playing without the heart of the defense in Eric Berry. BUF was the best defense they played and he averaged 2.8ypc. His 4.7 ypc average is propped up by 4 huge rushing games against MIA, KC, OAKx2.


WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Att Yds Avg Lng TD Rec Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost
12 11/23 MIA W 39-36 1 1 27 167 6.2 26 1 4 28 7.0 9 0 -- --
13 11/30 @ KC W 29-16 1 1 32 168 5.3 20 0 2 17 8.5 15T 1 -- --
14 12/07 BUF W 24-17 1 1 21 58 2.8 10 3 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
15 12/14 @ SD W 22-10 1 1 29 85 2.9 9 0 2 11 5.5 8 0 -- --
16 12/22 @ CIN L 28-37 1 1 18 83 4.6 27 1 8 55 6.9 20 0 -- --
17 12/28 OAK W 47-14 1 1 13 87 6.7 25T 3 2 20 10.0 15 0 1 0

EDIT: I realize this is kinda hard to read so here is the link: http://www.nfl.com/player/c.j.anderson/2540269/gamelogs

[REPTAR]

Just a note to the Manning effect. Manning was deteriorating fast towards the end of the season, which is when CJA starting producing numbers. while defenses always have to be prepared for the aerial attack with Manning, I don't think the left the box wide open every play for CJA to run through.

I'm a full on buy for CJA, I own him in every league and I'm excited for what he can do with a "healthy" Manning or another team/QB in 2016.

^^ This ^^

Look at Manning's numbers down the stretch. Then look at Anderson's.

He was producing without the so-called "Manning effect", not against soft defenses gearing up to stop the pass.

Yea but look at the team defenses they played down the stretch. MIA was hampered by line backer issues late in the season. KC was playing without the heart of the defense in Eric Berry. BUF was the best defense they played and he averaged 2.8ypc. His 4.7 ypc average is propped up by 4 huge rushing games against MIA, KC, OAKx2.


WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Att Yds Avg Lng TD Rec Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost
12 11/23 MIA W 39-36 1 1 27 167 6.2 26 1 4 28 7.0 9 0 -- --
13 11/30 @ KC W 29-16 1 1 32 168 5.3 20 0 2 17 8.5 15T 1 -- --
14 12/07 BUF W 24-17 1 1 21 58 2.8 10 3 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
15 12/14 @ SD W 22-10 1 1 29 85 2.9 9 0 2 11 5.5 8 0 -- --
16 12/22 @ CIN L 28-37 1 1 18 83 4.6 27 1 8 55 6.9 20 0 -- --
17 12/28 OAK W 47-14 1 1 13 87 6.7 25T 3 2 20 10.0 15 0 1 0

EDIT: I realize this is kinda hard to read so here is the link: http://www.nfl.com/player/c.j.anderson/2540269/gamelogs

I see what you're saying, but I don't really buy it personally. CJs numbers are propped by 4 huge rushing games... he only really started 8 games (7 if you don't count the first Oak, but we will), so in half his games, he had huge performances by your standards. You include both Oakland games in your huge games (13/90, and 13/87). But you left out Cincinatti (Week 16, 18/83, 4.6 avg), which is only 7 and 4 yards off from the Oakland games, and only 5 more attempts, and still a 4.6 avg. So I'd say it was closer to 5 good games with some big ones in there. After the 1st Oak game, they played St. Louis (a tremendous defense), and he only got the ball on 9 carries (29 yds, 3.2 avg) - not great, but the run clearly just wasn't working against an elite run d, and Denver lost after scoring just 7 points. Buffalo was also an elite run D, and similar results were posted. Anyway, point is I just don't agree with that analysis.

Let's look at 2013 Knowshon, since he seems to be the one we are comparing to at this moment. Knowshon should have been enjoying the full Manning-effect, as that was a record breaking offense and Peyton was absolutely unstoppable pretty much all year (55 td passes is just insane). Knowshon had one game the entire season over 100 yds (that crazy 224 yd game against NE). Other than that, he never breached 100. CJ saw more carries over his stint that Knowshon did regularly, but even enjoying the full on Manning effect, Moreno had a YPC under 4.0 nine times, and five of those were under 3.0.

All this to say, what? We disagree. Haha. That's pretty much it, but debates are fun. Go CJ.

[Jfever]

Gut feeling, people will be disappointed in CJ this year. I could be wrong but my instinct tells me to avoid him at his current perceived value.

[CrimsonKodiak]

Gut feeling, people will be disappointed in CJ this year. I could be wrong but my instinct tells me to avoid him at his current perceived value.

I hear you. anything other than a 2,000 yrd 20 TD season will be a let down based on the current hype, but I think he will be a top 10 RB for sure; stretch target of top 5 RB this year.