Best I can do. Take it?

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Best I can do. Take it?

Postby Prison_Mike » Thu Dec 14, 2023 2:30 pm

12tm PPR SF Bestball

Posted about this team yesterday. Neglected it because of the format. Barely missed the playoffs. Aging roster. Yadda yadda yadda
I seemingly have ONE buyer for Kamara and Keenan Allen, and this appears to be the best he can do for the pair:

Give: Kamara + Keenan + $192 faab (all of my remaining $)
Get: Musgrave + '24 late 1st

Thoughts?

Also...bonus question: what is your valuation of Kirk Cousins? This negotiation started with me asking for Cousins + Musgrave + late 1st for KA/AK/faab. Maybe that was a bit lofty (?), but this guy says he views Cousins as worth a 1st still. Does literally anyone share that belief? I'm curious. I told him I've got both Cousins and Keenan valued as a base 2nd and could see an argument of early/late for either of them, but a 1st seems wild to me

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Re: Best I can do. Take it?

Postby Gator Sens » Thu Dec 14, 2023 4:41 pm

I think you are moving low here. Hold and shop again next year. Kamara and Allen will produce again.

Cousins is a major risk now even in SF. I would not give more than a late 1st at best, especially in SF.

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Re: Best I can do. Take it?

Postby badbuddah » Thu Dec 14, 2023 4:57 pm

Seems light to me, but I also have been known to wait too long to move assets. Either way, not sold Musgrave will be the man especially with how Kraft is playing. Also have to agree on Kirk, he could bounce back but he isn't getting any younger. He is a 2nd not a first. Maybe a mid second even.
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QB: L. Jackson, J. Browning
RB: Aaron Jones, D'Ernest Johnson, E. Mitchell, Dalvin Cook, Jamaal Williams, Alexander Mattison, K. Miller, P. Taylor
WR: R. Doubs, G. Pickens, Christian Kirk, Juju, D. Hopkins, D. Wicks, K. Boutte
TE: Z. Ertz, C. Okonkwo, Trey McBride, Tucker Kraft
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Re: Best I can do. Take it?

Postby TheTroll » Fri Dec 15, 2023 4:30 am

agree with all the above... moving low for sure.

Also Cousins should be pretty cheap to get. Odds are he starts 2024 on IR/PUP anyways so if you can get him cheap and park him on IR it wouldn't be bad.
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Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def

QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE

Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker

Picks
2024: 1.03, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

Team 2
Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex

QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert

Taxi: Mitchell, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Douglas, Vaughn

Picks
2024: 1.08, 3.02, 3.09
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5

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Re: Best I can do. Take it?

Postby Prison_Mike » Fri Dec 15, 2023 6:25 am

Prior to last night, we had talks and it was looking like we'd have a deal of: AK/KA/faab for 1st/2nd/Musgrave

After watching Easton Stick, he updated his offer to

Kamara + Keenan + faab
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1st + 3rd + Musgrave

My plan is to remove Keenan from the deal (because 1: that would be giving KA away for free and 2. including KA would negate his ability to use Kamara this week since one of the trade pieces have already played) and my final offer will be:

Kamara + faab
for
1st + (one of) Musgrave/3rd

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Re: Best I can do. Take it?

Postby The.Big.Spank » Fri Dec 15, 2023 7:18 am

I think thats a somewhat big ask for Kamara.
Team 1: 16 Team
QB's: Fields, Wentz,
RB: D. Harris, D. Montgomery, Kendre M.
WR: Chase, AJ Brown, Aiyuk, Bateman
TE: Waller, J. Woods, Dulich, Mayer

Team 2: 12 Team SF 1ppr, Start 10
QB: Mahomes, Burrow, Watson
RB: Hall, Walker, Javonte, Pacheco, K Mitchell, Dobbins
WR: Godwin, JSN, Pittman, Pickens, Toney, DP Jones, S Moore
TE: Andrews, Fant, Likely
(2024) 1.03, 2.03, 3.03
(2025) Top 3 1st, my 1st

Team 3 SF, TEP, Start 11 ppr
QB: AR, Watson, Young, Levis
RB: ETN, Walker, Pierce, Akers, Pacheco, Herbert, Warren, Kelley
WR: G. Wilson, Higgins, Godwin, Kirk, Bateman, Collins, Doubs, Chark, Shaheed,
TE: Schultz, I Smith, Bellinger, Parham, Fant, Likely, Granson,

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Re: Best I can do. Take it?

Postby Prison_Mike » Fri Dec 15, 2023 7:27 am

The.Big.Spank wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 7:18 am I think thats a somewhat big ask for Kamara.
What's your valuation of Kamara? What's your valuation of Musgrave?

For me, Kamara is worth a late 1st. I value Musgrave somewhere between a late 2nd/mid 3rd, considering he's on IR and has a rookie TE with similar draft capital producing in his absence

As for the faab, this would give him full control of the waiver wire for the remainder of the season, as no one else has more than $200 and he would now have $392. Browning, Flacco, Hudson, Stick, Mullens are all available (waivers only run every few weeks)

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Re: Best I can do. Take it?

Postby abloom » Fri Dec 15, 2023 8:21 am

I'd pass on the deal. Allen and Kamara are still gonna be rosterable next year
Tm 1
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Kyler, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler, T tracey
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens
T: Kelce, Goedert, T johnson
D: nyj
K: Sanders

Tm 2
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 TE), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: Murray, Watson, Maye, McCarthy, R Wilson, howell
R: Swift, Walker, gus bus, Moss, Zeke,
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen
T: Kelce, Pitts, t Johnson, bell
K: Tucker
D: CLE

Tm 3
14 team, SF, 1PPR (2 TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F

Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Stafford, heinekie, flacco, browning
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Charb, Z White, R white, McLaughlin, wilson
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, watson
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson

Tm 4
https://www49.myfantasyleague.com/2024/ ... =0004&O=01

Tm 5
https://www45.myfantasyleague.com/2024/ ... =07&F=0009

Tm 6
https://www46.myfantasyleague.com/2024/ ... =0013&O=07

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Re: Best I can do. Take it?

Postby abloom » Fri Dec 15, 2023 8:22 am

Prison_Mike wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 7:27 am
The.Big.Spank wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 7:18 am I think thats a somewhat big ask for Kamara.
What's your valuation of Kamara? What's your valuation of Musgrave?

For me, Kamara is worth a late 1st. I value Musgrave somewhere between a late 2nd/mid 3rd, considering he's on IR and has a rookie TE with similar draft capital producing in his absence

As for the faab, this would give him full control of the waiver wire for the remainder of the season, as no one else has more than $200 and he would now have $392. Browning, Flacco, Hudson, Stick, Mullens are all available (waivers only run every few weeks)
In bestball TEs besides the top 5-6 would have very little value to me.
Tm 1
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Kyler, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler, T tracey
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens
T: Kelce, Goedert, T johnson
D: nyj
K: Sanders

Tm 2
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 TE), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: Murray, Watson, Maye, McCarthy, R Wilson, howell
R: Swift, Walker, gus bus, Moss, Zeke,
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen
T: Kelce, Pitts, t Johnson, bell
K: Tucker
D: CLE

Tm 3
14 team, SF, 1PPR (2 TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F

Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Stafford, heinekie, flacco, browning
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Charb, Z White, R white, McLaughlin, wilson
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, watson
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson

Tm 4
https://www49.myfantasyleague.com/2024/ ... =0004&O=01

Tm 5
https://www45.myfantasyleague.com/2024/ ... =07&F=0009

Tm 6
https://www46.myfantasyleague.com/2024/ ... =0013&O=07


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