Mims or 2.01

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2.01
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Mims or 2.01

Postby CGW » Sat Oct 07, 2023 7:26 am

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Give 2.01 for Mims or hold for a potential RB when I flip to competing next year?

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Re: Mims or 2.01

Postby Buckhill Bombers » Sat Oct 07, 2023 7:27 am

in a SF I take the 2.1, even though I do like what Mims has shown.

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Re: Mims or 2.01

Postby Gator Sens » Sat Oct 07, 2023 7:37 am

I would take the 2.01 in SF. Mims looks solid but WRs in that range are easy to come by.

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Re: Mims or 2.01

Postby Tvols » Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:00 am

mims
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QB T Law, R Wilson
rb- Mixon,pollard, J Hill, conner,
WR-Chase,Lamb,T Hill, R Bateman, C sutton, boyd
Te Kelce, Waller, Fant,Evertt,
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Re: Mims or 2.01

Postby Anteaters » Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:01 am

I'd rather have the 2.01 in SF. Mims is okay in the sense that he's not a bust, but he's also not going to be a stud. You might as well throw your dart for a player with a higher ceiling in the '24 draft.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, CWilliams
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JFord, Corum, JWright
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, Q Johnston, DeDouglas, MCorley
TE: Goedert, Okongwo
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, DLloyd; (DE/DL) Sieler; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion

TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, Singletary, AJD, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, VJefferson, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
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Re: Mims or 2.01

Postby CGW » Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:07 am

Anteaters wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:01 am I'd rather have the 2.01 in SF. Mims is okay in the sense that he's not a bust, but he's also not going to be a stud. You might as well throw your dart for a player with a higher ceiling in the '24 draft.
Do we know that? He's getting WR2-3 numbers so far with very limited snap counts.
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Re: Mims or 2.01

Postby Anteaters » Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:09 am

CGW wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:07 am
Anteaters wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:01 am I'd rather have the 2.01 in SF. Mims is okay in the sense that he's not a bust, but he's also not going to be a stud. You might as well throw your dart for a player with a higher ceiling in the '24 draft.
Do we know that? He's getting WR2-3 numbers so far with very limited snap counts.
I'm certain of it, but I may be standing on an island with that opinion.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, CWilliams
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JFord, Corum, JWright
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, Q Johnston, DeDouglas, MCorley
TE: Goedert, Okongwo
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, DLloyd; (DE/DL) Sieler; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion

TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, Singletary, AJD, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, VJefferson, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
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Re: Mims or 2.01

Postby Trevormortis » Sat Oct 07, 2023 9:13 am

2.01 in SF for me
Team 1. 12 team. 1 PPR. 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 FLEX 2017 2nd, 2018 2nd, 2019 1st, 2020 1st, 2021 2nd, 2022 1st
QB - Watson, G. Smith
RB - Henry, Ekeler, Kamara, D. Pierce, AJ Dillon, J. McLaughlin, Gainwell
WR - J. Jefferson, Diggs, AJ Brown, T. Higgins, M. Thomas, Cooks, Bateman, R. Moore, C. Tillman, J. Hyatt, D. Parker
TE - Kelce, J. Ferguson
2024 - 1,2,3,4,5
2025 - 1,2,3,4,5

Team 2. 12 team. .5 PPR. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 FLEX 2019 1st, 2020 1st, 2021 2nd, 2023 Full rebuild mode
QB - Tua
RB - T. Spears, Z. Charbonnet, C. Hubbard, R. Rivers, D. Vaughn, J. Kelly, Chubb (IR)
WR - London, J. Downs, R. Rice, Burks, J. Jeudy, A. Pierce, C. Tillman, R. Bell, D. Parker, D. Slayton, Cooks
TE - J. Ferguson
2024 - 1,1,1,2,2,2
2025 - 1,1,2,2,5

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Re: Mims or 2.01

Postby ButtFumbleCity » Sat Oct 07, 2023 9:42 am

Anteaters wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:09 am
CGW wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:07 am
Anteaters wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:01 am I'd rather have the 2.01 in SF. Mims is okay in the sense that he's not a bust, but he's also not going to be a stud. You might as well throw your dart for a player with a higher ceiling in the '24 draft.
Do we know that? He's getting WR2-3 numbers so far with very limited snap counts.
I'm certain of it, but I may be standing on an island with that opinion.
What makes you certain of it?

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Re: Mims or 2.01

Postby Anteaters » Sat Oct 07, 2023 10:01 am

ButtFumbleCity wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 9:42 am
Anteaters wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:09 am
CGW wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:07 am

Do we know that? He's getting WR2-3 numbers so far with very limited snap counts.
I'm certain of it, but I may be standing on an island with that opinion.
What makes you certain of it?
For one thing, that Mims has been deemed worthy by his coaches of only "limited snap counts." That indicates to me that his coaches see limitations in his game. On a team as needy for talent as Denver, if Mims was stud-level talent, the coaches would have him on the field as much as possible. They see "good player", not "great player."

There are rookies all over the league that have been thrust into a heavy role early in the season. Denver coaches say to Mims, "You ain't that guy."
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, CWilliams
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JFord, Corum, JWright
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, Q Johnston, DeDouglas, MCorley
TE: Goedert, Okongwo
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, DLloyd; (DE/DL) Sieler; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion

TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, Singletary, AJD, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, VJefferson, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser

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Re: Mims or 2.01

Postby CGW » Sat Oct 07, 2023 12:18 pm

Anteaters wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 10:01 am
ButtFumbleCity wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 9:42 am
Anteaters wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:09 am
I'm certain of it, but I may be standing on an island with that opinion.
What makes you certain of it?
For one thing, that Mims has been deemed worthy by his coaches of only "limited snap counts." That indicates to me that his coaches see limitations in his game. On a team as needy for talent as Denver, if Mims was stud-level talent, the coaches would have him on the field as much as possible. They see "good player", not "great player."

There are rookies all over the league that have been thrust into a heavy role early in the season. Denver coaches say to Mims, "You ain't that guy."
So no rookie ever becomes a stud after seeing low snaps early on? I bet I could find some examples pretty quick of when that is just not true. Off the top of my head, Amon Ra St Brown was on a Lions team that had literally no1 (quintex cephas was running as the #1), but didn't find the field until the back half.

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Re: Mims or 2.01

Postby Anteaters » Sat Oct 07, 2023 1:06 pm

CGW wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 12:18 pm
Anteaters wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 10:01 am
ButtFumbleCity wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 9:42 am

What makes you certain of it?
For one thing, that Mims has been deemed worthy by his coaches of only "limited snap counts." That indicates to me that his coaches see limitations in his game. On a team as needy for talent as Denver, if Mims was stud-level talent, the coaches would have him on the field as much as possible. They see "good player", not "great player."

There are rookies all over the league that have been thrust into a heavy role early in the season. Denver coaches say to Mims, "You ain't that guy."
So no rookie ever becomes a stud after seeing low snaps early on? I bet I could find some examples pretty quick of when that is just not true. Off the top of my head, Amon Ra St Brown was on a Lions team that had literally no1 (quintex cephas was running as the #1), but didn't find the field until the back half.
I'm not saying it can't ever happen. Anything is possible. It's just my opinion that Mims is not going to become a fantasy stud, based on my predraft opinion and the way his coaches have chosen to use him so far.

If you're a believer in his stud-dom, I think you should hold him where you have him and trade for him where you don't have him.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, CWilliams
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JFord, Corum, JWright
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, Q Johnston, DeDouglas, MCorley
TE: Goedert, Okongwo
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, DLloyd; (DE/DL) Sieler; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion

TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, Singletary, AJD, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, VJefferson, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser

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Re: Mims or 2.01

Postby TheTroll » Sat Oct 07, 2023 1:14 pm

Anteaters wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 1:06 pm
CGW wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 12:18 pm
Anteaters wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 10:01 am

For one thing, that Mims has been deemed worthy by his coaches of only "limited snap counts." That indicates to me that his coaches see limitations in his game. On a team as needy for talent as Denver, if Mims was stud-level talent, the coaches would have him on the field as much as possible. They see "good player", not "great player."

There are rookies all over the league that have been thrust into a heavy role early in the season. Denver coaches say to Mims, "You ain't that guy."
So no rookie ever becomes a stud after seeing low snaps early on? I bet I could find some examples pretty quick of when that is just not true. Off the top of my head, Amon Ra St Brown was on a Lions team that had literally no1 (quintex cephas was running as the #1), but didn't find the field until the back half.
I'm not saying it can't ever happen. Anything is possible. It's just my opinion that Mims is not going to become a fantasy stud, based on my predraft opinion and the way his coaches have chosen to use him so far.

If you're a believer in his stud-dom, I think you should hold him where you have him and trade for him where you don't have him.
We have a great prospect on a floundering team. So it’s a gamble. Do you value the player more or the situation?
Team 1
Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def

QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE

Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker

Picks
2024: 1.03, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

Team 2
Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex

QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert

Taxi: Mitchell, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Douglas, Vaughn

Picks
2024: 1.08, 3.02, 3.09
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5

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Re: Mims or 2.01

Postby Anteaters » Sat Oct 07, 2023 1:28 pm

TheTroll wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 1:14 pmWe have a great prospect on a floundering team. So it’s a gamble. Do you value the player more or the situation?
I account for talent and situation.

On the situation part of the equation, we have
1) Sutton + Jeudy continue to be utilized more than Mims, and Jeudy is seen as having a "future" with the team.
2) The QB situation is not great and is not likely to improve next year.
3) Mims is not currently being given a huge opportunity by the coaches.

If those things were different ... say Mims had Hebert as QB, the WR2 for his team was out for the season, and the coaches were giving him 85% snap rate. If that was the situation, and Mimis was producing good stats right now, I'd be a little higher on Mims. But none of that is the situation, so I'm still lukewarm on his ceiling.

I think Mims can be a very good real life player. It's only his fantasy production that I doubt.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, CWilliams
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JFord, Corum, JWright
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, Q Johnston, DeDouglas, MCorley
TE: Goedert, Okongwo
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, DLloyd; (DE/DL) Sieler; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion

TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, Singletary, AJD, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, VJefferson, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser

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Re: Mims or 2.01

Postby TheTroll » Sat Oct 07, 2023 1:35 pm

Anteaters wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 1:28 pm
TheTroll wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 1:14 pmWe have a great prospect on a floundering team. So it’s a gamble. Do you value the player more or the situation?
I account for talent and situation.

On the situation part of the equation, we have
1) Sutton + Jeudy continue to be utilized more than Mims, and Jeudy is seen as having a "future" with the team.
2) The QB situation is not great and is not likely to improve next year.
3) Mims is not currently being given a huge opportunity by the coaches.

If those things were different ... say Mims had Hebert as QB, the WR2 for his team was out for the season, and the coaches were giving him 85% snap rate. If that was the situation, and Mimis was producing good stats right now, I'd be a little higher on Mims. But none of that is the situation, so I'm still lukewarm on his ceiling.

I think Mims can be a very good real life player. It's only his fantasy production that I doubt.
Oh I agree, I was just putting it out there that Mims can be a great WR at some point. Someone I would invest in if I was rebuilding.
Team 1
Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def

QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE

Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker

Picks
2024: 1.03, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

Team 2
Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex

QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert

Taxi: Mitchell, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Douglas, Vaughn

Picks
2024: 1.08, 3.02, 3.09
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5


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