Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread

[Cameron Giles]

There's a decent chance Jones is not the Giants QB after 2024. I wouldn't be downgrading Nabers at all. And based on drafts I've been a part of, nobody is downgrading him.

Prospect fatigue. Idk how people spend all summer talking about the same 3 WR.

Nabers moved from WR2 to WR2 with his "downgrade" of a landing spot. Jones stinks, NY field is a mess, but Nabers is going to be a target hog and will probably have a good shot at ROY

But, are we sure Marvin Harrison is good? Like, really sure?

It's a long offseason. Just go ahead and let Nabers fall to someone else and see how it goes. It might be fun.

[wickerkat1212]

Anyone have any thoughts on Cade Stover HOU TE?

[Cameron Giles]

There's a decent chance Jones is not the Giants QB after 2024. I wouldn't be downgrading Nabers at all. And based on drafts I've been a part of, nobody is downgrading him.

I thought the 2025 QB class was supposed to be pretty weak? Do you feel Nabers is "landing spot proof" that he will perform no matter who is his QB? I'm looking to make a move to get the 1.02. Thanks!

Situations change. A QB may have a Jayden Daniels breakout in college next year and change things. A veteran QB could be traded to New York. Daniel Jones might somehow bounce back to 2022 levels and be competent. I don't know.

I'm just not passing on one of the few SEC WRs to go for 1500 yards in a season as a 20 year old.

[wickerkat1212]

There's a decent chance Jones is not the Giants QB after 2024. I wouldn't be downgrading Nabers at all. And based on drafts I've been a part of, nobody is downgrading him.

I thought the 2025 QB class was supposed to be pretty weak? Do you feel Nabers is "landing spot proof" that he will perform no matter who is his QB? I'm looking to make a move to get the 1.02. Thanks!

Situations change. A QB may have a Jayden Daniels breakout in college next year and change things. A veteran QB could be traded to New York. Daniel Jones might somehow bounce back to 2022 levels and be competent. I don't know.

I'm just not passing on one of the few SEC WRs to go for 1500 yards in a season as a 20 year old.

Cool. Good. Appreciate your thoughts here.

[mild]

Situations change. A QB may have a Jayden Daniels breakout in college next year and change things. A veteran QB could be traded to New York. Daniel Jones might somehow bounce back to 2022 levels and be competent. I don't know.

They could even just sign Dak.

[yinzername]

rain on your parade

random thought of the day, but "piss on your chips" is a vastly superior way of saying the same thing, imo.

Not that I’m hung up on this sort of thing, but “piss on your chips just feels lower brow, a tier down in brow, if u will. Give me Rain on Your Parade all day, proven and higher upside IMO

[Bronco Billy]

Anyone have any thoughts on Cade Stover HOU TE?

He’s probably a solid add as a late pick in a FF draft if you need TE depth. He reminds me a lot of the guy he’ll play behind in HOU - Dalton Schultz. He’s functional as a complete TE in the NFL but does’t quite reach elite size, athleticism or skills. He likes contact and transitioned from LB, so he’ll be able to be on the field in all situations as an in-line TE. He catches the ball well and can snatch footballs outside his envelope. He’s just a little clunky getting off the line, as he changes directions in routes, and transitioning from catching to running with the ball. He’s not a great separator or getting into the deep seam where he maintains an advantage. He’s totally linear after the catch and is not a difficult tackle.

I think he’s destined to be good FF depth on a roster and probably fits into that very large bunch of TEs after the top 8-10 guys where you don’t want him to be your TE1 but you’re very comfortable burning a roster spot on him. I’d guess you’d want to carry him on a Practice Squad for a year or two.

I’d take Jared Wiley before him (I like Wiley a lot given the talent/situation match) and would probably wait and take AJ Barner later in the draft rather than draft Stover where he’s going in FF drafts because I think they both have greater upside as TE dart throws and look more like TEs that’ll give you a little more FF bang for your buck, but he’s in that neighborhood.

[wickerkat1212]

Anyone have any thoughts on Cade Stover HOU TE?

He’s probably a solid add as a late pick in a FF draft if you need TE depth. He reminds me a lot of the guy he’ll play behind in HOU - Dalton Schultz. He’s functional as a complete TE in the NFL but does’t quite reach elite size, athleticism or skills. He likes contact and transitioned from LB, so he’ll be able to be on the field in all situations as an in-line TE. He catches the ball well and can snatch footballs outside his envelope. He’s just a little clunky getting off the line, as he changes directions in routes, and transitioning from catching to running with the ball. He’s not a great separator or getting into the deep seam where he maintains an advantage. He’s totally linear after the catch and is not a difficult tackle.

I think he’s destined to be good FF depth on a roster and probably fits into that very large bunch of TEs after the top 8-10 guys where you don’t want him to be your TE1 but you’re very comfortable burning a roster spot on him. I’d guess you’d want to carry him on a Practice Squad for a year or two.

I’d take Jared Wiley before him (I like Wiley a lot given the talent/situation match) and would probably wait and take AJ Barner later in the draft rather than draft Stover where he’s going in FF drafts because I think they both have greater upside as TE dart throws and look more like TEs that’ll give you a little more FF bang for your buck, but he’s in that neighborhood.

Thanks for that. In my TEP league it was tough trying to get TEs, and Wiley is the only guy on the WW. Stover is available in another league where it's not TEP.

[Bronco Billy]

Anyone have any thoughts on Cade Stover HOU TE?

He’s probably a solid add as a late pick in a FF draft if you need TE depth. He reminds me a lot of the guy he’ll play behind in HOU - Dalton Schultz. He’s functional as a complete TE in the NFL but does’t quite reach elite size, athleticism or skills. He likes contact and transitioned from LB, so he’ll be able to be on the field in all situations as an in-line TE. He catches the ball well and can snatch footballs outside his envelope. He’s just a little clunky getting off the line, as he changes directions in routes, and transitioning from catching to running with the ball. He’s not a great separator or getting into the deep seam where he maintains an advantage. He’s totally linear after the catch and is not a difficult tackle.

I think he’s destined to be good FF depth on a roster and probably fits into that very large bunch of TEs after the top 8-10 guys where you don’t want him to be your TE1 but you’re very comfortable burning a roster spot on him. I’d guess you’d want to carry him on a Practice Squad for a year or two.

I’d take Jared Wiley before him (I like Wiley a lot given the talent/situation match) and would probably wait and take AJ Barner later in the draft rather than draft Stover where he’s going in FF drafts because I think they both have greater upside as TE dart throws and look more like TEs that’ll give you a little more FF bang for your buck, but he’s in that neighborhood.

Thanks for that. In my TEP league it was tough trying to get TEs, and Wiley is the only guy on the WW. Stover is available in another league where it's not TEP.

If Wiley is on the WW go get him as soon as you can. It is only OTAs but there were already some very positive reports and comments coming out about him. Might end up being nothing, but if he ends up being Kelce’s heir apparent, getting him off the WW is a steal.

How did your league miss him? He’s a legit prospect, not a total fishing expedition.

[wickerkat1212]

He’s probably a solid add as a late pick in a FF draft if you need TE depth. He reminds me a lot of the guy he’ll play behind in HOU - Dalton Schultz. He’s functional as a complete TE in the NFL but does’t quite reach elite size, athleticism or skills. He likes contact and transitioned from LB, so he’ll be able to be on the field in all situations as an in-line TE. He catches the ball well and can snatch footballs outside his envelope. He’s just a little clunky getting off the line, as he changes directions in routes, and transitioning from catching to running with the ball. He’s not a great separator or getting into the deep seam where he maintains an advantage. He’s totally linear after the catch and is not a difficult tackle.

I think he’s destined to be good FF depth on a roster and probably fits into that very large bunch of TEs after the top 8-10 guys where you don’t want him to be your TE1 but you’re very comfortable burning a roster spot on him. I’d guess you’d want to carry him on a Practice Squad for a year or two.

I’d take Jared Wiley before him (I like Wiley a lot given the talent/situation match) and would probably wait and take AJ Barner later in the draft rather than draft Stover where he’s going in FF drafts because I think they both have greater upside as TE dart throws and look more like TEs that’ll give you a little more FF bang for your buck, but he’s in that neighborhood.

Thanks for that. In my TEP league it was tough trying to get TEs, and Wiley is the only guy on the WW. Stover is available in another league where it's not TEP.

If Wiley is on the WW go get him as soon as you can. It is only OTAs but there were already some very positive reports and comments coming out about him. Might end up being nothing, but if he ends up being Kelce’s heir apparent, getting him off the WW is a steal.

How did your league miss him? He’s a legit prospect, not a total fishing expedition.

Yeah, IDK. I only had early picks, 1st and 2nd round, and couldn't trade back into the 4th to get anyone. Our WW doesn't run for a few more weeks, but I'll put him top of my list. With a FAAB of $1000 how much would you bid? $100? $200? More?

[Bronco Billy]

Thanks for that. In my TEP league it was tough trying to get TEs, and Wiley is the only guy on the WW. Stover is available in another league where it's not TEP.

If Wiley is on the WW go get him as soon as you can. It is only OTAs but there were already some very positive reports and comments coming out about him. Might end up being nothing, but if he ends up being Kelce’s heir apparent, getting him off the WW is a steal.

How did your league miss him? He’s a legit prospect, not a total fishing expedition.

Yeah, IDK. I only had early picks, 1st and 2nd round, and couldn't trade back into the 4th to get anyone. Our WW doesn't run for a few more weeks, but I'll put him top of my list. With a FAAB of $1000 how much would you bid? $100? $200? More?

I don’t know. How active are you during the season with your budget and how do your league mates spend in the first session? He already fell through the cracks once but a little bit of positive word has been leaking out. With no other info I’d think a bid of $50-$80 might get him.

[wickerkat1212]

If Wiley is on the WW go get him as soon as you can. It is only OTAs but there were already some very positive reports and comments coming out about him. Might end up being nothing, but if he ends up being Kelce’s heir apparent, getting him off the WW is a steal.

How did your league miss him? He’s a legit prospect, not a total fishing expedition.

Yeah, IDK. I only had early picks, 1st and 2nd round, and couldn't trade back into the 4th to get anyone. Our WW doesn't run for a few more weeks, but I'll put him top of my list. With a FAAB of $1000 how much would you bid? $100? $200? More?

I don’t know. How active are you during the season with your budget and how do your league mates spend in the first session? He already fell through the cracks once but a little bit of positive word has been leaking out. With no other info I’d think a bid of $50-$80 might get him.

It's only my second year in this league. I've seen guys moving players for FAAB too. That's a new wrinkle. I'm pretty active, but often there aren't guys that I really want, so...we'll see how it goes. Since my TEs are not great, I am okay investing a bit. $102 seems right?

[Bronco Billy]

Yeah, IDK. I only had early picks, 1st and 2nd round, and couldn't trade back into the 4th to get anyone. Our WW doesn't run for a few more weeks, but I'll put him top of my list. With a FAAB of $1000 how much would you bid? $100? $200? More?

I don’t know. How active are you during the season with your budget and how do your league mates spend in the first session? He already fell through the cracks once but a little bit of positive word has been leaking out. With no other info I’d think a bid of $50-$80 might get him.

It's only my second year in this league. I've seen guys moving players for FAAB too. That's a new wrinkle. I'm pretty active, but often there aren't guys that I really want, so...we'll see how it goes. Since my TEs are not great, I am okay investing a bit. $102 seems right?

Unless someone suddenly started paying attention, I’d think that’s more than enough.

[wickerkat1212]

I don’t know. How active are you during the season with your budget and how do your league mates spend in the first session? He already fell through the cracks once but a little bit of positive word has been leaking out. With no other info I’d think a bid of $50-$80 might get him.

It's only my second year in this league. I've seen guys moving players for FAAB too. That's a new wrinkle. I'm pretty active, but often there aren't guys that I really want, so...we'll see how it goes. Since my TEs are not great, I am okay investing a bit. $102 seems right?

Unless someone suddenly started paying attention, I’d think that’s more than enough.

Cool. We'll see right? I don't mind overpaying a bit. May also put in low bids on TEs Hurst and Bell.

[wickerkat1212]

Thoughts on starting rookie QBs this year? I'm looking for some temporary QB depth in a 1 QB league, trying to figure out if any of these rookies will NOT start right away (outside of Penix).

Williams—he'll start, not on WW
Daniels—he'll start, not on WW (Mariota can't start this year, right?)
Maye—I expect he'll start, but Brissett is decent (he's on WW)
JJM—He has to beat out Darnold (he's on WW) right?
Nix—He has to be better than Stidham (he's on WW) right?
Penix—Will definitely NOT start, unless Cousins is hurt/not ready.

Thoughts?