Until Cousins departure i was firmly on JJ side.
Now that the QBs situation is uncertain and probably with a soon, who do you like in a vacuum?
Chase vs JJ
Chase vs JJ
Team 1 : 1QB 2RB 3 WR 1TE 1Flex 1K 1TM 2 IR 12 Keepers
QB: Carson Wentz, P. Mahomes
RB: A. Jones, MGIII, Dobbins, L. Bell, Ingram, J Williams & Gaskin
WR: D. Hopkins, J. Jones, K. Allen, J Crowder, Humpries & Agolor
TE: E. Engram, Trey Burton, V Davis & J. Doyle
Team 2: 1QB 1 SF 3RB 5WR 2TE 2FLEX DEF 26 Keepers 2019 Champ
2020 third place
QB: J. Allen Wentz Watson D. Lock.
RB: Barkley Zeke CEH J. Robinson D. Freeman Penny
WR: M. Thomas Cooper Godwin Juju J. Washington Renfrow, Jeudy, R. Moore TreQuan, P. Williams
TE: Waller Engram OJH & Everett
DEF: Pats & Browns
Team 3: 1QB 1SF 2RB 2WR 1TE 1FLEX DEF K
QB: Wilson Wentz Tannehill Brees Haskins Foles
RB: CMC Zeke Miles CEH AP J. Jackson B. Scott
WR: Evans Adams Landry Metcalf E. Sanders Lazard
TE: Engram Hurts Ebron Herndon
QB: Carson Wentz, P. Mahomes
RB: A. Jones, MGIII, Dobbins, L. Bell, Ingram, J Williams & Gaskin
WR: D. Hopkins, J. Jones, K. Allen, J Crowder, Humpries & Agolor
TE: E. Engram, Trey Burton, V Davis & J. Doyle
Team 2: 1QB 1 SF 3RB 5WR 2TE 2FLEX DEF 26 Keepers 2019 Champ
2020 third placeQB: J. Allen Wentz Watson D. Lock.
RB: Barkley Zeke CEH J. Robinson D. Freeman Penny
WR: M. Thomas Cooper Godwin Juju J. Washington Renfrow, Jeudy, R. Moore TreQuan, P. Williams
TE: Waller Engram OJH & Everett
DEF: Pats & Browns
Team 3: 1QB 1SF 2RB 2WR 1TE 1FLEX DEF K
QB: Wilson Wentz Tannehill Brees Haskins Foles
RB: CMC Zeke Miles CEH AP J. Jackson B. Scott
WR: Evans Adams Landry Metcalf E. Sanders Lazard
TE: Engram Hurts Ebron Herndon
Re: Chase vs JJ
Still JJ for me, just think he’s better. I get the burrow argument for sure though.
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Prison_Mike
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Re: Chase vs JJ
I'm in 5 paid leagues.
I roster Chase in 4, I roster JJ in 1
I'd prefer JJ
I roster Chase in 4, I roster JJ in 1
I'd prefer JJ
Team 1:
12-team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Herbert, Kyler, Baker, Jimmy G
RB: Taylor, Saquon, Javonte, Conner, Lloyd, R.Davis, Vidal, Tracy
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Olave, Diggs, Diontae, Hollywood, MT, Shaheed
TE: Engram, Bowers, Woods
Team 2:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Mahomes, Allen, Russ
RB: Breece, JT, Swift, Javonte, Mostert, Zamir, Irving
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Nico, Kupp, Kirk, Hollywood, MT
TE: Pitts, Njoku, Woods
Team 3:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Hurts, Dak, Stafford, Z.Wilson, DTR
RB: Saquon, Swift, Achane, Kamara, Ford
WR: Jefferson, AJB, ARSB, Nico, Diontae, Wicks, OBJ
TE: Goedert, Njoku, Fant, Woods
12-team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Herbert, Kyler, Baker, Jimmy G
RB: Taylor, Saquon, Javonte, Conner, Lloyd, R.Davis, Vidal, Tracy
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Olave, Diggs, Diontae, Hollywood, MT, Shaheed
TE: Engram, Bowers, Woods
Team 2:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Mahomes, Allen, Russ
RB: Breece, JT, Swift, Javonte, Mostert, Zamir, Irving
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Nico, Kupp, Kirk, Hollywood, MT
TE: Pitts, Njoku, Woods
Team 3:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Hurts, Dak, Stafford, Z.Wilson, DTR
RB: Saquon, Swift, Achane, Kamara, Ford
WR: Jefferson, AJB, ARSB, Nico, Diontae, Wicks, OBJ
TE: Goedert, Njoku, Fant, Woods
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Re: Chase vs JJ
Still JJ easily for me. I think he's QB proof, that system is built around him, and Chase has had injury issues.
Fig Newtons - 12 team superflex .5 ppr, qb, 2 rb, 3 wr, te, Flex, SF
QB - Dak, Brissett, Purdy
RB - Najee, Swift, J.Robinson, D.Henderson, McKinnon,
WR - M.Thomas, D.Hop, DJ Moore, Miller, G.Davis, MVS
TE - Kittle, Gesicki, Hockenson
Picks: 2023 - 1, 2, 2, 3, 4
Young Newts - 14 team .25 ppr Superflex, qb, 2 rb, 3 wr, te, wr/rb, OP
QB - Allen, Wilson, Cousins
RB - Chubb, L.Bell, Ingram, K.Johnson, Mack, T.Coleman
WR - M.Thomas, OBJ, Woods, Moore, Godwin, R.Anderson
TE - Gesicki, Witten, Irv
Picks: 2022 - 3, 4, 5
DirkaDirka - 12 team PPR Superflex
QB: Mayfield, Allen, M.Ryan, Bridgewater, Mond
RB: Mixon, Swift, Sanders, Ekeler, DJ, Kerryon
WR: Tyreek, A.Cooper, D.Adams, A-Rob, C.Davis, P.Williams, V.Jefferson, Duverney
TE: Kelce, Rudolph, Hollister
2022: All picks
QB - Dak, Brissett, Purdy
RB - Najee, Swift, J.Robinson, D.Henderson, McKinnon,
WR - M.Thomas, D.Hop, DJ Moore, Miller, G.Davis, MVS
TE - Kittle, Gesicki, Hockenson
Picks: 2023 - 1, 2, 2, 3, 4
Young Newts - 14 team .25 ppr Superflex, qb, 2 rb, 3 wr, te, wr/rb, OP
QB - Allen, Wilson, Cousins
RB - Chubb, L.Bell, Ingram, K.Johnson, Mack, T.Coleman
WR - M.Thomas, OBJ, Woods, Moore, Godwin, R.Anderson
TE - Gesicki, Witten, Irv
Picks: 2022 - 3, 4, 5
DirkaDirka - 12 team PPR Superflex
QB: Mayfield, Allen, M.Ryan, Bridgewater, Mond
RB: Mixon, Swift, Sanders, Ekeler, DJ, Kerryon
WR: Tyreek, A.Cooper, D.Adams, A-Rob, C.Davis, P.Williams, V.Jefferson, Duverney
TE: Kelce, Rudolph, Hollister
2022: All picks
Re: Chase vs JJ
JJ for me but it’s close.
I wouldn’t blame anyone making the QB argument either.
I wouldn’t blame anyone making the QB argument either.
12 Team 1 pt PPR
1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 3Flex 1K
QB Kyler Tua, McCarthy
RB Bijan, Gibbs, Jamaal, CEH, Allgeier, Brown, Guerendo
WR Hill, JJ, AJB, Keenan, Reed Thielen, Boyd, Iosivas, Odunze, Corley
TE Hockenson Ferguson,
K Elliot
1DT 2DE 3LB 1CB 2S 1Flex
DT Zach Allen, Clark, Armstead
DE Crosby, Van Ness, Turner, Wonnum, Diaby
LB Greenlaw, Kendricks, Bernard, Mosley, McFadden, Overshown, Cashman, Henley, Luifau
CB Stream
S Bynum, Blankenship fuller, grant, Nubin
2025 2, 3 ,6
1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 3Flex 1K
QB Kyler Tua, McCarthy
RB Bijan, Gibbs, Jamaal, CEH, Allgeier, Brown, Guerendo
WR Hill, JJ, AJB, Keenan, Reed Thielen, Boyd, Iosivas, Odunze, Corley
TE Hockenson Ferguson,
K Elliot
1DT 2DE 3LB 1CB 2S 1Flex
DT Zach Allen, Clark, Armstead
DE Crosby, Van Ness, Turner, Wonnum, Diaby
LB Greenlaw, Kendricks, Bernard, Mosley, McFadden, Overshown, Cashman, Henley, Luifau
CB Stream
S Bynum, Blankenship fuller, grant, Nubin
2025 2, 3 ,6
Re: Chase vs JJ
Vacuums suck by design, both of these guys are the opposite. 
This one is hard for me as an LSU Alumni but I would say JJ. It will be interesting to see if Nabers can make it close to that echelon.
This one is hard for me as an LSU Alumni but I would say JJ. It will be interesting to see if Nabers can make it close to that echelon.
Team 1
Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def
QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE
Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker
Picks
2024: 1.03, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Team 2
Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex
QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert
Taxi: Mitchell, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Douglas, Vaughn
Picks
2024: 1.08, 3.02, 3.09
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5
Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def
QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE
Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker
Picks
2024: 1.03, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Team 2
Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex
QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert
Taxi: Mitchell, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Douglas, Vaughn
Picks
2024: 1.08, 3.02, 3.09
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5
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Re: Chase vs JJ
another vote for JJ but if someone said Chase im not going to argue
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Re: Chase vs JJ
This is JJ by miles. Please just look at their production. And by the way, Lamb > Chase too.
Team 1
12 Team, SF, PPR, TEP (2PPR)
1-2QB, 2-6RB, 2-6WR, 1-5TE
10 starters, 28 roster spots
Kyler Murray, Rudolph, Brissett, Brady
Keaton Mitchell, scrubs
Jefferson, Lamb, Waddle, DeVonta Smith, Rashee Rice, Christian Watson, Dotson, Josh Palmer, Rashid Shaheed, Toney, Justyn Ross, Metchie, Ronnie Bell
Pitts, Likely
2024 Picks: 1.02, 2.02, 2.06, 2.09, 4.02, 4.12
Team 2
12 Team, SF, PPR, TEP (2PPR)
1-2QB, 2-5RB, 3-6WR, 1-4TE
10 starters, 28 roster spots
Lawrence, Caleb Williams, Richardson, Young, Mac Jones, Lance, Jordan Travis
Bijan, Charbonnet, Braelon Allen, Estime, Bucky Irving, Strong Jr., Davis-Price, Tyler Goodson, Kevin Harris
Wilson, Nacua, Odunze, Thomas Jr., Flowers, Downs, Wicks, Renfrow, Ross, Bell, Metchie
Pitts, Bowers, Woods
2025 Picks: 1-4 (mine)
12 Team, SF, PPR, TEP (2PPR)
1-2QB, 2-6RB, 2-6WR, 1-5TE
10 starters, 28 roster spots
Kyler Murray, Rudolph, Brissett, Brady
Keaton Mitchell, scrubs
Jefferson, Lamb, Waddle, DeVonta Smith, Rashee Rice, Christian Watson, Dotson, Josh Palmer, Rashid Shaheed, Toney, Justyn Ross, Metchie, Ronnie Bell
Pitts, Likely
2024 Picks: 1.02, 2.02, 2.06, 2.09, 4.02, 4.12
Team 2
12 Team, SF, PPR, TEP (2PPR)
1-2QB, 2-5RB, 3-6WR, 1-4TE
10 starters, 28 roster spots
Lawrence, Caleb Williams, Richardson, Young, Mac Jones, Lance, Jordan Travis
Bijan, Charbonnet, Braelon Allen, Estime, Bucky Irving, Strong Jr., Davis-Price, Tyler Goodson, Kevin Harris
Wilson, Nacua, Odunze, Thomas Jr., Flowers, Downs, Wicks, Renfrow, Ross, Bell, Metchie
Pitts, Bowers, Woods
2025 Picks: 1-4 (mine)
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Re: Chase vs JJ
JJ, vacuum or not.
Chase is also a beast though
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Chase is also a beast though
.10 Tm Dynasty 1QB/IDP/1.0 PPR/40 Rst
Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 W/T, 2 R/W/T, 1 PK, 3 DL, 3 LB, 3 DB, 2 IDP
2015: 7th
2016: 4th
2017: 8th
2018: 3rd
2019: 6th
2020: 1st
2021: 2nd
2022: 2nd
2023: 1st
Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 W/T, 2 R/W/T, 1 PK, 3 DL, 3 LB, 3 DB, 2 IDP
2015: 7th
2016: 4th
2017: 8th
2018: 3rd
2019: 6th
2020: 1st
2021: 2nd
2022: 2nd
2023: 1st
Re: Chase vs JJ
Seems to me if you are going to make the Burrow argument for Chase, then you need to seriously consider Lamb as the WR1 for dynasty. I'm guessing most JJ/Chase managers wouldn't straight trade them for Lamb but maybe they should. I'd rank Lamb as WR1 for '24 redraft, he's got a solid QB (apparently) and is more or less the same age as the others. I don't see any reason not to seriously consider him as the top asset in 1QB leagues.
FWIW - I don't know if any player is really "QB proof". JJ will get his share of targets, but when those targets are of lower quality his numbers will suffer. I have him in one league and I'm not shopping him. But it's hard to argue that losing Cousins isn't going to matter.
FWIW - I don't know if any player is really "QB proof". JJ will get his share of targets, but when those targets are of lower quality his numbers will suffer. I have him in one league and I'm not shopping him. But it's hard to argue that losing Cousins isn't going to matter.
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Re: Chase vs JJ
Jj commands the ball more
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Re: Chase vs JJ
No I'm not. I have Lamb over Hill for '24. Hill is number two BTW.killer_of_giants wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 3:49 amyou're forgetting hill!
(but yeah i see what you mean)
Re: Chase vs JJ
I mean really the top 3 all have QB "concerns".
JJ will have Darnold/Rookie
Chase has Burrow who cant seem to stay healthy
Lamb has Dak who could walk after this season.
Justin Jefferson had 1074 yards and missed pretty much 8 full games ( he played one drive against the Raiders) and another half a game vs the Chiefs.
He had 476 yards in the last 4 full games he played playing with Nick Mullens and Jared Hall.
Im going to go with the guy who is shattering NFL records for his age. No bias of course
JJ will have Darnold/Rookie
Chase has Burrow who cant seem to stay healthy
Lamb has Dak who could walk after this season.
Justin Jefferson had 1074 yards and missed pretty much 8 full games ( he played one drive against the Raiders) and another half a game vs the Chiefs.
He had 476 yards in the last 4 full games he played playing with Nick Mullens and Jared Hall.
Im going to go with the guy who is shattering NFL records for his age. No bias of course
Main Home League
12 Team 1 QB PPR
-Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE and 2 Flex
QB: Anthony Richardson, Sam Darnold, Drake Maye, Bo Nix and Penix.
RB: Bucky Irving, Will Shipley, Deuce Vaughn, CPatt, Justice Hill and McBride
WR: Justin Jefferson, ARSB, Olave, Nico Collins, Malik Nabers, Tyquan Thornton, Marvin Mims, DeMario Douglas, Calvin Austin, DJ Chark,
TE: McBride, Dulcich, Woods, Hudson and Schoonmaker
Draft Picks
-3 25 1sts, 2 25 2nd, 3 25 3rds and 3 25 4ths
-2 26 1sts, 2 26 2nds, 1 26 3rd, and1 26 4th
2022 Champions in full rebuild. Looking to contend again in 2025.
12 Team 1 QB PPR
-Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE and 2 Flex
QB: Anthony Richardson, Sam Darnold, Drake Maye, Bo Nix and Penix.
RB: Bucky Irving, Will Shipley, Deuce Vaughn, CPatt, Justice Hill and McBride
WR: Justin Jefferson, ARSB, Olave, Nico Collins, Malik Nabers, Tyquan Thornton, Marvin Mims, DeMario Douglas, Calvin Austin, DJ Chark,
TE: McBride, Dulcich, Woods, Hudson and Schoonmaker
Draft Picks
-3 25 1sts, 2 25 2nd, 3 25 3rds and 3 25 4ths
-2 26 1sts, 2 26 2nds, 1 26 3rd, and1 26 4th
2022 Champions in full rebuild. Looking to contend again in 2025.
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Re: Chase vs JJ
I a vacuum, I will take JJ any day.
However, the NFL is not a vacuum, and I had Chase as my WR1 last off-season too (dynasty), as I have had many more concerns for JJ's QB situation than I have for Chase's QB situation.
JJ is the better WR, but I think we have seen from many WR's (GW, Olave, London) just how important the QB position is.
However, the NFL is not a vacuum, and I had Chase as my WR1 last off-season too (dynasty), as I have had many more concerns for JJ's QB situation than I have for Chase's QB situation.
JJ is the better WR, but I think we have seen from many WR's (GW, Olave, London) just how important the QB position is.
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