Tempting offer, would you take it?
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Tempting offer, would you take it?
12 team PPR dynasty league. We start 1qb, 2rb, 3wr, 1te, 1 reg flex
Give: 1.3 rookie pick
Get: Nico Collins & Hollywood Brown
UPDATE** Got a 2nd offer from same owner, give 1.3, get Tank Dell, Brown, and Zamir White...thoughts?
I will admit I like Collins more than Brown, but I am intrigued by Brown's landing spot in KC. Would you accept this offer with this roster?
Cousins, D. Jones, Howell, T. Hill, Winston
Swift, Singletary, Gibson, Kendre Miller, Jamaal Williams
Chase, McLaurin, Godwin, Diontae Johnson, Dotson, Curtis Samuel, E. Moore, Scott Tyler
Freiemuth, Mayer, Jonnu Smith
Picks 1.3, 2.3, 3.3
Give: 1.3 rookie pick
Get: Nico Collins & Hollywood Brown
UPDATE** Got a 2nd offer from same owner, give 1.3, get Tank Dell, Brown, and Zamir White...thoughts?
I will admit I like Collins more than Brown, but I am intrigued by Brown's landing spot in KC. Would you accept this offer with this roster?
Cousins, D. Jones, Howell, T. Hill, Winston
Swift, Singletary, Gibson, Kendre Miller, Jamaal Williams
Chase, McLaurin, Godwin, Diontae Johnson, Dotson, Curtis Samuel, E. Moore, Scott Tyler
Freiemuth, Mayer, Jonnu Smith
Picks 1.3, 2.3, 3.3
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Re: Tempting offer, would you take it?
Looking at your WR room you are looking better than other positions and have a few WR's similiter in rank with the 2 WR's you would be getting. I would keep the 1.03 and get a top tier WR to go with Chase.
Team 12 PPR
Team 1
QB P Mahomes D Jones Howell
RB A Jones M Sanders B Robinson K Miller
WR A.J Brown CD Lamb G Wilson M Pittman G Davis D Hopkins C Sutton
D Mooney J Myers
TE Freiermuth Meyer Chig
Team 2
QB Mahomes Tua
RB Montgomery Hunt Michel
WR Hopkins Lamb, Boyd McLaurin Higgins Pittman Hardman Mooney G Davis
TE Engram, Fant, Gesicki
Team 3
QB Herbert Fields
RB A Kamara B Robinson J Ford K Miller
WR Metcalf Olave K Shakir D Wicks G Davis J Palmer J Myers Mims
TE Kittle Freiermuth
Team 4
QB Burrow Carr Goff
RB M Sanders K Herbert R Johnson C Rodtiguez
WR J Chase T Higgins C Olave C Godwin D Samuel C Sutton G Davis J Hyatt J Palmer D Wicks
TE G Kittle D Shultz Fant
Team 5 Superflex
QB Fields Pickett Howell
RB Bijan Robinson B Hall Barkley J Warren C Brown Hubbard
WR Godwin Higgins J Palmer Sutton Mims Wicks
TE Fant Kmet Mayer
Team 1
QB P Mahomes D Jones Howell
RB A Jones M Sanders B Robinson K Miller
WR A.J Brown CD Lamb G Wilson M Pittman G Davis D Hopkins C Sutton
D Mooney J Myers
TE Freiermuth Meyer Chig
Team 2
QB Mahomes Tua
RB Montgomery Hunt Michel
WR Hopkins Lamb, Boyd McLaurin Higgins Pittman Hardman Mooney G Davis
TE Engram, Fant, Gesicki
Team 3
QB Herbert Fields
RB A Kamara B Robinson J Ford K Miller
WR Metcalf Olave K Shakir D Wicks G Davis J Palmer J Myers Mims
TE Kittle Freiermuth
Team 4
QB Burrow Carr Goff
RB M Sanders K Herbert R Johnson C Rodtiguez
WR J Chase T Higgins C Olave C Godwin D Samuel C Sutton G Davis J Hyatt J Palmer D Wicks
TE G Kittle D Shultz Fant
Team 5 Superflex
QB Fields Pickett Howell
RB Bijan Robinson B Hall Barkley J Warren C Brown Hubbard
WR Godwin Higgins J Palmer Sutton Mims Wicks
TE Fant Kmet Mayer
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Re: Tempting offer, would you take it?
I would say TE and RB are bigger needs than WRs anyway...he does have a pretty solid stable of RBs (CMC, Achane, Conner, Spears, Zamir White) and has Engram and Kmet at TE. Would you maybe counter to maybe get Collins and a RB or TE? Or you'd still keep the 1.3?pnrsteelers wrote: βFri Mar 29, 2024 12:13 pm Looking at your WR room you are looking better than other positions and have a few WR's similiter in rank with the 2 WR's you would be getting. I would keep the 1.03 and get a top tier WR to go with Chase.
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Re: Tempting offer, would you take it?
Holding.
10 Tm Dynasty 1QB/IDP/1.0 PPR/40 Rst
Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 W/T, 2 R/W/T, 1 PK, 3 DL, 3 LB, 3 DB, 2 IDP
2015: 7th
2016: 4th
2017: 8th
2018: 3rd
2019: 6th
2020: 1st
2021: 2nd
2022: 2nd
2023: 1st
Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 W/T, 2 R/W/T, 1 PK, 3 DL, 3 LB, 3 DB, 2 IDP
2015: 7th
2016: 4th
2017: 8th
2018: 3rd
2019: 6th
2020: 1st
2021: 2nd
2022: 2nd
2023: 1st
Re: Tempting offer, would you take it?
This isn't a trade you need to make now, hold until your rookie draft, that pick will still grow in value between now and then, and if you want to do it at that point then go ahead. I think it's fine value: Odunze/Bowers for Nico + Hollywood
Jake Fromm State Farm (12 team PPR SF)
QB: Purdy, ARich (TS), Levis (TS), Bagent, Hall, Rudolph, Fromm
RB: Roschon (TS), Allgeier, Hill, Demercado, McLaughlin, Mitchell, K. Harris, E. Wilson
WR: Addison, London, Jmo, Shaheed, Reed (TS), Pop D, Iosivas, C. Jones, Mooney, T. Palmer, Scott, Tucker, Austin, Gipson, Melton,
TE: Musgrave, Mayer (TS), Trautman, Gray, Jordan
2024: 1.01, 1.07, 2.04, 2.10, 2.11, 3.01, 3.06, 3.07, 3.11
2025: 1, 1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4
QB: Purdy, ARich (TS), Levis (TS), Bagent, Hall, Rudolph, Fromm
RB: Roschon (TS), Allgeier, Hill, Demercado, McLaughlin, Mitchell, K. Harris, E. Wilson
WR: Addison, London, Jmo, Shaheed, Reed (TS), Pop D, Iosivas, C. Jones, Mooney, T. Palmer, Scott, Tucker, Austin, Gipson, Melton,
TE: Musgrave, Mayer (TS), Trautman, Gray, Jordan
2024: 1.01, 1.07, 2.04, 2.10, 2.11, 3.01, 3.06, 3.07, 3.11
2025: 1, 1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4
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Re: Tempting offer, would you take it?
New offer, thoughts?
Give: 1.3
Get: Tank Dell, Hollywood Brown, and Zamir White
Give: 1.3
Get: Tank Dell, Hollywood Brown, and Zamir White
Re: Tempting offer, would you take it?
Not Sexy but Sound advice.
Team 1
Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def
QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE
Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker
Picks
2024: 1.03, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Team 2
Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex
QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert
Taxi: Mitchell, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Douglas, Vaughn
Picks
2024: 1.08, 3.02, 3.09
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5
Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def
QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE
Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker
Picks
2024: 1.03, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Team 2
Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex
QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert
Taxi: Mitchell, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Douglas, Vaughn
Picks
2024: 1.08, 3.02, 3.09
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5
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Re: Tempting offer, would you take it?
Rather have Odunze or Bowers than Dell + Brown, plus White, who may not even be a starter and looked volume-based only when he did last year.Buckhill Bombers wrote: βFri Mar 29, 2024 3:38 pm New offer, thoughts?
Give: 1.3
Get: Tank Dell, Hollywood Brown, and Zamir White
10 Tm Dynasty 1QB/IDP/1.0 PPR/40 Rst
Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 W/T, 2 R/W/T, 1 PK, 3 DL, 3 LB, 3 DB, 2 IDP
2015: 7th
2016: 4th
2017: 8th
2018: 3rd
2019: 6th
2020: 1st
2021: 2nd
2022: 2nd
2023: 1st
Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 W/T, 2 R/W/T, 1 PK, 3 DL, 3 LB, 3 DB, 2 IDP
2015: 7th
2016: 4th
2017: 8th
2018: 3rd
2019: 6th
2020: 1st
2021: 2nd
2022: 2nd
2023: 1st
Re: Tempting offer, would you take it?
I like Dell, but I'm still holding. As we sit today, I'd have Brown and White as players who will likely be started in most formats in '24 but neither makes me excited. I'd hope to use them as spot starters if I could. That isn't compelling enough to make me do a deal like this one especially a month before the draft. It's also possible White gets meaningful competition before September.Buckhill Bombers wrote: βFri Mar 29, 2024 3:38 pm New offer, thoughts?
Give: 1.3
Get: Tank Dell, Hollywood Brown, and Zamir White
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Re: Tempting offer, would you take it?
1.3 for me. This is a quarters for a dollar trade.Buckhill Bombers wrote: βFri Mar 29, 2024 3:38 pm New offer, thoughts?
Give: 1.3
Get: Tank Dell, Hollywood Brown, and Zamir White
Team 1: 16 Team
QB's: Fields, Wentz,
RB: D. Harris, D. Montgomery, Kendre M.
WR: Chase, AJ Brown, Aiyuk, Bateman
TE: Waller, J. Woods, Dulich, Mayer
Team 2: 12 Team SF 1ppr, Start 10
QB: Mahomes, Burrow, Watson
RB: Hall, Walker, Javonte, Pacheco, K Mitchell, Dobbins
WR: Godwin, JSN, Pittman, Pickens, Toney, DP Jones, S Moore
TE: Andrews, Fant, Likely
(2024) 1.03, 2.03, 3.03
(2025) Top 3 1st, my 1st
Team 3 SF, TEP, Start 11 ppr
QB: AR, Watson, Young, Levis
RB: ETN, Walker, Pierce, Akers, Pacheco, Herbert, Warren, Kelley
WR: G. Wilson, Higgins, Godwin, Kirk, Bateman, Collins, Doubs, Chark, Shaheed,
TE: Schultz, I Smith, Bellinger, Parham, Fant, Likely, Granson,
QB's: Fields, Wentz,
RB: D. Harris, D. Montgomery, Kendre M.
WR: Chase, AJ Brown, Aiyuk, Bateman
TE: Waller, J. Woods, Dulich, Mayer
Team 2: 12 Team SF 1ppr, Start 10
QB: Mahomes, Burrow, Watson
RB: Hall, Walker, Javonte, Pacheco, K Mitchell, Dobbins
WR: Godwin, JSN, Pittman, Pickens, Toney, DP Jones, S Moore
TE: Andrews, Fant, Likely
(2024) 1.03, 2.03, 3.03
(2025) Top 3 1st, my 1st
Team 3 SF, TEP, Start 11 ppr
QB: AR, Watson, Young, Levis
RB: ETN, Walker, Pierce, Akers, Pacheco, Herbert, Warren, Kelley
WR: G. Wilson, Higgins, Godwin, Kirk, Bateman, Collins, Doubs, Chark, Shaheed,
TE: Schultz, I Smith, Bellinger, Parham, Fant, Likely, Granson,
Re: Tempting offer, would you take it?
I'd take it. I have Dell > 1.03, but I see why someone might go the other way.Buckhill Bombers wrote: βFri Mar 29, 2024 11:38 am 12 team PPR dynasty league. We start 1qb, 2rb, 3wr, 1te, 1 reg flex
Give: 1.3 rookie pick
Get: Nico Collins & Hollywood Brown
UPDATE** Got a 2nd offer from same owner, give 1.3, get Tank Dell, Brown, and Zamir White...thoughts?
Adding Hollywood+Zamir is, considering Dell is already there, adding meaningful value to the deal.
I'd take it, but no shade on anyone who has rookie fever and thinks 1.03 is enticing enough to not execute the trade.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, CWilliams
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JFord, Corum, JWright
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, Q Johnston, DeDouglas, MCorley
TE: Goedert, Okongwo
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, DLloyd; (DE/DL) Sieler; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, Singletary, AJD, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, VJefferson, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, CWilliams
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JFord, Corum, JWright
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, Q Johnston, DeDouglas, MCorley
TE: Goedert, Okongwo
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, DLloyd; (DE/DL) Sieler; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, Singletary, AJD, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, VJefferson, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
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Re: Tempting offer, would you take it?
The best part of the trade on the player side is Dell. Tank Dell was electric when he was on the field, but these little wideouts don't have a good track record for durability.Anteaters wrote: βSat Mar 30, 2024 5:17 am I'd take it. I have Dell > 1.03, but I see why someone might go the other way.
Adding Hollywood+Zamir is, considering Dell is already there, adding meaningful value to the deal.
I'd take it, but no shade on anyone who has rookie fever and thinks 1.03 is enticing enough to not execute the trade.
I'd rather gamble on Nabers or Odunze at 1.03 than trading for Dell + Hollywood Brown (who has one 1000-yd season in 5 years and may not be the big play weapon the talking heads think), and Zamir White (who looks like JAG at RB and may not even be the starter by the time the draft is over).
The beauty of trades is that we're able to disagree on value and still come away with what we want.
10 Tm Dynasty 1QB/IDP/1.0 PPR/40 Rst
Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 W/T, 2 R/W/T, 1 PK, 3 DL, 3 LB, 3 DB, 2 IDP
2015: 7th
2016: 4th
2017: 8th
2018: 3rd
2019: 6th
2020: 1st
2021: 2nd
2022: 2nd
2023: 1st
Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 W/T, 2 R/W/T, 1 PK, 3 DL, 3 LB, 3 DB, 2 IDP
2015: 7th
2016: 4th
2017: 8th
2018: 3rd
2019: 6th
2020: 1st
2021: 2nd
2022: 2nd
2023: 1st
Re: Tempting offer, would you take it?
Black Adam wrote: βSun Mar 31, 2024 10:44 amThe best part of the trade on the player side is Dell. Tank Dell was electric when he was on the field, but these little wideouts don't have a good track record for durability.Anteaters wrote: βSat Mar 30, 2024 5:17 am I'd take it. I have Dell > 1.03, but I see why someone might go the other way.
Adding Hollywood+Zamir is, considering Dell is already there, adding meaningful value to the deal.
I'd take it, but no shade on anyone who has rookie fever and thinks 1.03 is enticing enough to not execute the trade.
I'd rather gamble on Nabers or Odunze at 1.03 than trading for Dell + Hollywood Brown (who has one 1000-yd season in 5 years and may not be the big play weapon the talking heads think), and Zamir White (who looks like JAG at RB and may not even be the starter by the time the draft is over).
The beauty of trades is that we're able to disagree on value and still come away with what we want.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, CWilliams
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JFord, Corum, JWright
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, Q Johnston, DeDouglas, MCorley
TE: Goedert, Okongwo
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, DLloyd; (DE/DL) Sieler; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, Singletary, AJD, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, VJefferson, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, CWilliams
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JFord, Corum, JWright
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, Q Johnston, DeDouglas, MCorley
TE: Goedert, Okongwo
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, DLloyd; (DE/DL) Sieler; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, Singletary, AJD, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, VJefferson, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
Re: Tempting offer, would you take it?
Give me the 1.03 side
12 Team 1 pt PPR
1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 3Flex 1K
QB Kyler Tua, McCarthy
RB Bijan, Gibbs, Jamaal, CEH, Allgeier, Brown, Guerendo
WR Hill, JJ, AJB, Keenan, Reed Thielen, Boyd, Iosivas, Odunze, Corley
TE Hockenson Ferguson,
K Elliot
1DT 2DE 3LB 1CB 2S 1Flex
DT Zach Allen, Clark, Armstead
DE Crosby, Van Ness, Turner, Wonnum, Diaby
LB Greenlaw, Kendricks, Bernard, Mosley, McFadden, Overshown, Cashman, Henley, Luifau
CB Stream
S Bynum, Blankenship fuller, grant, Nubin
2025 2, 3 ,6
1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 3Flex 1K
QB Kyler Tua, McCarthy
RB Bijan, Gibbs, Jamaal, CEH, Allgeier, Brown, Guerendo
WR Hill, JJ, AJB, Keenan, Reed Thielen, Boyd, Iosivas, Odunze, Corley
TE Hockenson Ferguson,
K Elliot
1DT 2DE 3LB 1CB 2S 1Flex
DT Zach Allen, Clark, Armstead
DE Crosby, Van Ness, Turner, Wonnum, Diaby
LB Greenlaw, Kendricks, Bernard, Mosley, McFadden, Overshown, Cashman, Henley, Luifau
CB Stream
S Bynum, Blankenship fuller, grant, Nubin
2025 2, 3 ,6
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Re: Tempting offer, would you take it?
Caleb Williams might be there. If he hits what could you trade him for? Or Nabers / Drake Maye? You likely need a long term QB to consider
12 Team SF, TEP / START 10 QB.RB.RB.WR.WR.TE.F.F.F.S
QB, Cousins, D Jones, JField, JStidham, Rush, Bagent
RB, Barkley, JTaylor, RStevenson, JKDobbins, KHunt, PStrong, JeffWilson
WR, Kupp, CKirk, CSutton, JReed, Mooney, JamesonW, RMoore
TE, JFerg, LMusgrave, TKraft
5 spot taxi is empty (can hold for 2 years)
2024 1.02 1.07 2.01 2.05 2.08 3.10 4.10 5.03 5.04 5.10
2025 2- 2nds. 3- 3rds, 2-4ths, 1-5th
2026 1,2,3,4,5
QB, Cousins, D Jones, JField, JStidham, Rush, Bagent
RB, Barkley, JTaylor, RStevenson, JKDobbins, KHunt, PStrong, JeffWilson
WR, Kupp, CKirk, CSutton, JReed, Mooney, JamesonW, RMoore
TE, JFerg, LMusgrave, TKraft
5 spot taxi is empty (can hold for 2 years)
2024 1.02 1.07 2.01 2.05 2.08 3.10 4.10 5.03 5.04 5.10
2025 2- 2nds. 3- 3rds, 2-4ths, 1-5th
2026 1,2,3,4,5
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