Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread

[DJB]

Ratter is another Desmond Ridder. A guy that you be on your bench or desperate SF start but will quickly wash out of the league . Don’t waste your draft capital unless you plan on drafting him and trading him once he gets some NFL starts

[YouMightDieTryin]

Ratter is another Desmond Ridder. A guy that you be on your bench or desperate SF start but will quickly wash out of the league . Don’t waste your draft capital unless you plan on drafting him and trading him once he gets some NFL starts

Ridder was once considered the top QB in the nation? New news to me.

[Cameron Giles]

Oh, I’ll own it if I’m wrong. I’m not a big fan of taking victory laps though.

My position on Williams is not that I know he’s going to fail but rather there’s a lot more risk there than what is being assigned by many. There are red flags that some are just ignoring IMO.

I'm riding sidecar with BB right now. I also think there's factors that CW can't control that will aid in his downfall (i.e- Chicago's ineptitude). He's fighting a losing uphill battle before he even steps onto the field.

I think it's absolutely fine to be on that side of the road (I've skipped on plenty of high profile prospects for all kinds of reasons), but its a minority position. He is a high profile rookie prospect, and will be the 1st overall pick in the 2024 NFL draft by whatever team is picking at that spot on April 25th.

Agreed.

+ 22 years old
+ #1 rated QB in HS
+ Won the Heisman a few years later
+ Etched in stone as the #1 pick for three straight years
+ Three-year starter
+ Excelled in two P5 conferences
+ 10,000+ career passing yards in three years
+ PFF Passer Grade of 90+ for three straight years

Sure, there are things any 22-year-old QB can improve on. In modern times, you're just not going to see a whole lot of QBs coming into the league with a profile as good as Caleb Williams outside of an Andrew Luck or Trevor Lawrence.

[mild]

Sure, there are things any 22-year-old QB can improve on. In modern times, you're just not going to see a whole lot of QBs coming into the league with a profile as good as Caleb Williams outside of an Andrew Luck or Trevor Lawrence.

And to piggy-back on that idea:

https://x.com/MaxMarkhamNFL/status/1745 ... 11014?s=20

From the mouth of the man who literally drafted Justin Jefferson and has sat in "the big chair" for one of the 32.

[Shcritters]

Ratter is another Desmond Ridder. A guy that you be on your bench or desperate SF start but will quickly wash out of the league . Don’t waste your draft capital unless you plan on drafting him and trading him once he gets some NFL starts

Ridder was once considered the top QB in the nation? New news to me.

Ridder was the pre-season front-runner for the Heisman in 2021 at OU... started out slow, and then Caleb Williams took over for him. That's a long time ago... but he was slated to be a top QB and significantly fell off.

[Bronco Billy]

Ratter is another Desmond Ridder. A guy that you be on your bench or desperate SF start but will quickly wash out of the league . Don’t waste your draft capital unless you plan on drafting him and trading him once he gets some NFL starts

Ridder was once considered the top QB in the nation? New news to me.

Ridder was the pre-season front-runner for the Heisman in 2021 at OU... started out slow, and then Caleb Williams took over for him. That's a long time ago... but he was slated to be a top QB and significantly fell off.

I think you’re mixing up Ridder and Rattler. Ridder spent 4 years at CIN.

[HippieJuice]

Yep, 1st round QB is a coin flip, which is about as good as you can hope for.

QB is one of the most difficult positions to play in sports. So, it shouldn't take much for teams to recognize someone who can play it effectively. Those players almost always go in the 1st round.

I'm in no rush to draft more Clayton Tunes, Hendon Hookers and Jaren Halls with my rookie picks.

And when u bear the 1st rounders out to 2014 as u did with the non 1sts, it gets decidedly worse. More like 40/60. Makes a case for taking MHJ over Caleb even on a QB needy SF

I have the 1.02 in a TEP Superflex and I've already contemplated the idea of Nabers at 1.02 over Williams if he falls. But I'll probably take CW anyway, as I have the 1.06 and more ammo.

I have pics 2 and 7 in a TEP Superflex and probably need a QB since I have Fields, Cousins and Daniel Jones. First pick will be Caleb. I can't really pass on MH Jr can I? Jayden and Drake will be gone by 7 but I have 2.1 2.3 and 2.7 but looking at the QB stats posted it's probably best to pass on the Rattlers and such there. Thoughts?

[yinzername]

If you take MHJ at 2, you might want to consider the QB4 at 7 if he has 1st round cap. I’m thinking it’s JJM right now. Especially if Nabers and Odunza are also gone by 7. I’m thinking QBs 1-3 and WRs 1-3 go top 6. I’d take any other 1st round QB over Bowers or the next WRs if it was me

[wickerkat1212]

And when u bear the 1st rounders out to 2014 as u did with the non 1sts, it gets decidedly worse. More like 40/60. Makes a case for taking MHJ over Caleb even on a QB needy SF

I have the 1.02 in a TEP Superflex and I've already contemplated the idea of Nabers at 1.02 over Williams if he falls. But I'll probably take CW anyway, as I have the 1.06 and more ammo.

I have pics 2 and 7 in a TEP Superflex and probably need a QB since I have Fields, Cousins and Daniel Jones. First pick will be Caleb. I can't really pass on MH Jr can I? Jayden and Drake will be gone by 7 but I have 2.1 2.3 and 2.7 but looking at the QB stats posted it's probably best to pass on the Rattlers and such there. Thoughts?

That's kind of where I stand. Though the hype on JJM/Nix/Penix isn't great, I'm hoping to get one at 2.02. Lately it seems JJM is getting more love. We'll have to see what happens at the combine and the draft for those guys I think.

[HippieJuice]

If you take MHJ at 2, you might want to consider the QB4 at 7 if he has 1st round cap. I’m thinking it’s JJM right now. Especially if Nabers and Odunza are also gone by 7. I’m thinking QBs 1-3 and WRs 1-3 go top 6. I’d take any other 1st round QB over Bowers or the next WRs if it was me

In this league it will be 3 QB and 2 or 3 WR's but there is a chance Bowers goes before Odunza and I would probably rush to the podium if that happens and hope one of Nix, Penix or JJM falls to the 13th pick. I tend to think JJM being younger is a better long term prospect but not sure I could do it at 7. I traded to get to the low pick to get a QB but just not sure I can justify passing on MHJr. Tough call.

[Jigga94]

And when u bear the 1st rounders out to 2014 as u did with the non 1sts, it gets decidedly worse. More like 40/60. Makes a case for taking MHJ over Caleb even on a QB needy SF

I have the 1.02 in a TEP Superflex and I've already contemplated the idea of Nabers at 1.02 over Williams if he falls. But I'll probably take CW anyway, as I have the 1.06 and more ammo.

I have pics 2 and 7 in a TEP Superflex and probably need a QB since I have Fields, Cousins and Daniel Jones. First pick will be Caleb. I can't really pass on MH Jr can I? Jayden and Drake will be gone by 7 but I have 2.1 2.3 and 2.7 but looking at the QB stats posted it's probably best to pass on the Rattlers and such there. Thoughts?

Could try trading up or down with either/both picks. Either that or just take best position available

[HippieJuice]

I have the 1.02 in a TEP Superflex and I've already contemplated the idea of Nabers at 1.02 over Williams if he falls. But I'll probably take CW anyway, as I have the 1.06 and more ammo.

I have pics 2 and 7 in a TEP Superflex and probably need a QB since I have Fields, Cousins and Daniel Jones. First pick will be Caleb. I can't really pass on MH Jr can I? Jayden and Drake will be gone by 7 but I have 2.1 2.3 and 2.7 but looking at the QB stats posted it's probably best to pass on the Rattlers and such there. Thoughts?

Could try trading up or down with either/both picks. Either that or just take best position available

can't really complain if I end up with Maye and Odunze, Harrison and Odunze or like you said I can take MHJr and trade back from 7 and a QB and another pick. I could end up with something like JJM and Penix with him. Lots will change between now and then with the combine and draft.

[yinzername]

If you take MHJ at 2, you might want to consider the QB4 at 7 if he has 1st round cap. I’m thinking it’s JJM right now. Especially if Nabers and Odunza are also gone by 7. I’m thinking QBs 1-3 and WRs 1-3 go top 6. I’d take any other 1st round QB over Bowers or the next WRs if it was me

In this league it will be 3 QB and 2 or 3 WR's but there is a chance Bowers goes before Odunza and I would probably rush to the podium if that happens and hope one of Nix, Penix or JJM falls to the 13th pick. I tend to think JJM being younger is a better long term prospect but not sure I could do it at 7. I traded to get to the low pick to get a QB but just not sure I can justify passing on MHJr. Tough call.

I agree, if Odunze is at 7, you smash

[cazzie33]

JJ Mac is going to be the high riser when all is said & done for this QB draft class.

Caleb & Daniel's will go ahead based on tools but expect JJ to be in running w/ Maye as 3rd best . McCarthy to Denver wouldn't surprise me at all . Good spot for him if he can handle Payton's constant second guessing him. Won't be expected to carry the team but execute the offense.

[wickerkat1212]

If you take MHJ at 2, you might want to consider the QB4 at 7 if he has 1st round cap. I’m thinking it’s JJM right now. Especially if Nabers and Odunza are also gone by 7. I’m thinking QBs 1-3 and WRs 1-3 go top 6. I’d take any other 1st round QB over Bowers or the next WRs if it was me

In this league it will be 3 QB and 2 or 3 WR's but there is a chance Bowers goes before Odunza and I would probably rush to the podium if that happens and hope one of Nix, Penix or JJM falls to the 13th pick. I tend to think JJM being younger is a better long term prospect but not sure I could do it at 7. I traded to get to the low pick to get a QB but just not sure I can justify passing on MHJr. Tough call.

I agree, if Odunze is at 7, you smash

Agree.