Training Camp HYPE 2023 (only football)

[CGW]

Between the camp struggles, the elbow injury, teams getting more film on him, his overall talent level being a 7th round pick, I wouldn't be over the moon on Purdy. At this rate I still wouldn't be surprised if he were benched or otherwise knocked out some point during the season.

Whether it's Tracy Lance or Samantha Darnold taking over, who knows.

I know the Purdy v. Lance issue has been beaten to death five times over, but I still find it hard to believe that the 49ers are willing to give up on Lance so quickly (i.e. given his limited play time due to injuries). I've come to the conclusion that either 1) Lance doesn't have the work ethic to improve or 2) Shanahan never wanted to draft him so he's deliberately tanking him.

Take a look at how the Colts seemingly have gone all-in on Richardson; it's mind boggling that the 49ers wouldn't want to give Lance more of an opportunity unless there is some outside factor.

I agree, it's been a catastrophically bad decision. Have to imagine most coaches\GMs in the NFL would struggle to survive giving up the capital they did for a bust with absolutely zero return. Even the Cardinals were able to salvage some good capital on Josh Rosen. I dunno, you could be right...maybe Shanahan truly didn't want him from the start.

[MucBuc]

Some Darnell Washington love from Gronk himself:
"Darnell Washington, I think he’s going to have a great year,” Gronkowski said. “I would say he’s going to put up around 600 or 700 yards and help the offense gain some first downs, a couple touchdowns in the red zone. He’s 6-foot-7, like 265 pounds and he looks like a freak out there.”
https://steelersnow.com/gronk-makes-ins ... ashington/

And a nifty display of sticky hands...
https://twitter.com/FCProspects_/status ... 06532?s=20

[mgscott]

Brock Purdy camp struggles continue

+1

[Anteaters]

hard to believe that the 49ers are willing to give up on Lance so quickly (i.e. given his limited play time due to injuries). I've come to the conclusion that either 1) Lance doesn't have the work ethic to improve or 2) Shanahan never wanted to draft him so he's deliberately tanking him.

Take a look at how the Colts seemingly have gone all-in on Richardson; it's mind boggling that the 49ers wouldn't want to give Lance more of an opportunity unless there is some outside factor.

One huge difference is SF is in the middle of a window to compete for a championship. Lance isn't ready to lead a championship caliber team. Richardson isn't ready to lead a championship caliber team.

The good news for Richardson is he plays for a team that isn't ready to make the playoffs, and is far away from contending for a championship. So the Colts can start him now, rack up the losses while he racks up experience playing. Then hopefully, when the team has improved enough to contend, Richardson might also have improved enough to be a leader capable of leading a championship caliber team.

[Gazzerk]

Some Darnell Washington love from Gronk himself:
"Darnell Washington, I think he’s going to have a great year,” Gronkowski said. “I would say he’s going to put up around 600 or 700 yards and help the offense gain some first downs, a couple touchdowns in the red zone. He’s 6-foot-7, like 265 pounds and he looks like a freak out there.”
https://steelersnow.com/gronk-makes-ins ... ashington/

And a nifty display of sticky hands...
https://twitter.com/FCProspects_/status ... 06532?s=20

Beautiful catch but I don’t know. Those moves barely even tricked the flag in front of him and he jumped a total of maybe 1/2 an inch off the ground. He’s a massive dude so he should do well with jump balls and contested catches but he isn’t getting separation from anyone. He’ll be wearing the average linebacker like a sweater. I think he’s much more likely to just hurt Muth’s productivity than he is to carving out a big role himself.

[mgscott]

Between the camp struggles, the elbow injury, teams getting more film on him, his overall talent level being a 7th round pick, I wouldn't be over the moon on Purdy. At this rate I still wouldn't be surprised if he were benched or otherwise knocked out some point during the season.

Whether it's Tracy Lance or Samantha Darnold taking over, who knows.

I would have to agree with most of this. Mark me in the Purdy non-believer group. He had a good run last year for a 7th rounder, but also got pretty lucky with dropped picks and weak opponents most of the way. He had success, so that can't be denied, but I still don't see it carrying through this year and him establizhing himself as a franchise QB.

[FantasyFreak]

Some Darnell Washington love from Gronk himself:
"Darnell Washington, I think he’s going to have a great year,” Gronkowski said. “I would say he’s going to put up around 600 or 700 yards and help the offense gain some first downs, a couple touchdowns in the red zone. He’s 6-foot-7, like 265 pounds and he looks like a freak out there.”
https://steelersnow.com/gronk-makes-ins ... ashington/

And a nifty display of sticky hands...
https://twitter.com/FCProspects_/status ... 06532?s=20

Beautiful catch but I don’t know. Those moves barely even tricked the flag in front of him and he jumped a total of maybe 1/2 an inch off the ground. He’s a massive dude so he should do well with jump balls and contested catches but he isn’t getting separation from anyone. He’ll be wearing the average linebacker like a sweater. I think he’s much more likely to just hurt Muth’s productivity than he is to carving out a big role himself.

Yeah, he should absolutely be able to do that. LOL. Not full speed, nobody covering him, massive hands. He's an NFL TE, he's should be able to do that, without a doubt.

[mgscott]

Some Darnell Washington love from Gronk himself:
"Darnell Washington, I think he’s going to have a great year,” Gronkowski said. “I would say he’s going to put up around 600 or 700 yards and help the offense gain some first downs, a couple touchdowns in the red zone. He’s 6-foot-7, like 265 pounds and he looks like a freak out there.”
https://steelersnow.com/gronk-makes-ins ... ashington/

And a nifty display of sticky hands...
https://twitter.com/FCProspects_/status ... 06532?s=20

Beautiful catch but I don’t know. Those moves barely even tricked the flag in front of him and he jumped a total of maybe 1/2 an inch off the ground. He’s a massive dude so he should do well with jump balls and contested catches but he isn’t getting separation from anyone. He’ll be wearing the average linebacker like a sweater. I think he’s much more likely to just hurt Muth’s productivity than he is to carving out a big role himself.

This is my biggest worry as a Muth owner. I fear Pitt will use Washington as the inside the 10 target and steal a lot of short TD's.

[Gazzerk]

Some Darnell Washington love from Gronk himself:
"Darnell Washington, I think he’s going to have a great year,” Gronkowski said. “I would say he’s going to put up around 600 or 700 yards and help the offense gain some first downs, a couple touchdowns in the red zone. He’s 6-foot-7, like 265 pounds and he looks like a freak out there.”
https://steelersnow.com/gronk-makes-ins ... ashington/

And a nifty display of sticky hands...
https://twitter.com/FCProspects_/status ... 06532?s=20

Beautiful catch but I don’t know. Those moves barely even tricked the flag in front of him and he jumped a total of maybe 1/2 an inch off the ground. He’s a massive dude so he should do well with jump balls and contested catches but he isn’t getting separation from anyone. He’ll be wearing the average linebacker like a sweater. I think he’s much more likely to just hurt Muth’s productivity than he is to carving out a big role himself.

Yeah, he should absolutely be able to do that. LOL. Not full speed, nobody covering him, massive hands. He's an NFL TE, he's should be able to do that, without a doubt.

Exactly. He literally has the 2nd largest hands of any TE on combine history and he’s wearing receiving gloves. He should be able to catch 2 balls thrown at once in the same hand.

[Gazzerk]

Some Darnell Washington love from Gronk himself:
"Darnell Washington, I think he’s going to have a great year,” Gronkowski said. “I would say he’s going to put up around 600 or 700 yards and help the offense gain some first downs, a couple touchdowns in the red zone. He’s 6-foot-7, like 265 pounds and he looks like a freak out there.”
https://steelersnow.com/gronk-makes-ins ... ashington/

And a nifty display of sticky hands...
https://twitter.com/FCProspects_/status ... 06532?s=20

Beautiful catch but I don’t know. Those moves barely even tricked the flag in front of him and he jumped a total of maybe 1/2 an inch off the ground. He’s a massive dude so he should do well with jump balls and contested catches but he isn’t getting separation from anyone. He’ll be wearing the average linebacker like a sweater. I think he’s much more likely to just hurt Muth’s productivity than he is to carving out a big role himself.

This is my biggest worry as a Muth owner. I fear Pitt will use Washington as the inside the 10 target and steal a lot of short TD's.

Yeah that’s what I mean. Muth is a legit receiving TE. He’ll get his between the 10s but I also think they will feature Washington in the redzone big time. Which they should. This is one of those times where what’s goo for real football is bad for fantasy football. It will probably lead to both having pretty middling point production. I still think Muth is good enough to separate himself and be a legit top TE option but it will be a bit harder now.

[FantasyFreak]

Packers throwing to Musgrave a lot to get him ready for the season, apparently. I guess because he's a rookie they want to get him as many reps as possible. This makes me glad and sad. The target distribution isn't an indication of what it will be in season, but more a way to get him prepared because rookie TE's don't start often, and he has limited experience. Still, glad to see he's basically cemented to TE1 spot for now.

https://twitter.com/TomSilverstein/stat ... 9185572347

How do you defend this back shoulder throw? Pickens makes this look routine, but also nice ball placement by Pickett, knowing what Pickens is capable of. There's no way for the DB to get there. Throws it really early. Great stuff.

https://twitter.com/Luciow1992/status/1 ... 5060613589

[Bronco Billy]

Between the camp struggles, the elbow injury, teams getting more film on him, his overall talent level being a 7th round pick, I wouldn't be over the moon on Purdy. At this rate I still wouldn't be surprised if he were benched or otherwise knocked out some point during the season.

Whether it's Tracy Lance or Samantha Darnold taking over, who knows.

I know the Purdy v. Lance issue has been beaten to death five times over, but I still find it hard to believe that the 49ers are willing to give up on Lance so quickly (i.e. given his limited play time due to injuries). I've come to the conclusion that either 1) Lance doesn't have the work ethic to improve or 2) Shanahan never wanted to draft him so he's deliberately tanking him.

Take a look at how the Colts seemingly have gone all-in on Richardson; it's mind boggling that the 49ers wouldn't want to give Lance more of an opportunity unless there is some outside factor.

Which franchise has been more successful lately? Some teams understand the concept of sunk costs and don’t let clinging relentlessly to bad decisions drag them down too far. They put the best talent on the field, not the players that gratify their egos.

[FantasyFreak]

Between the camp struggles, the elbow injury, teams getting more film on him, his overall talent level being a 7th round pick, I wouldn't be over the moon on Purdy. At this rate I still wouldn't be surprised if he were benched or otherwise knocked out some point during the season.

Whether it's Tracy Lance or Samantha Darnold taking over, who knows.

I know the Purdy v. Lance issue has been beaten to death five times over, but I still find it hard to believe that the 49ers are willing to give up on Lance so quickly (i.e. given his limited play time due to injuries). I've come to the conclusion that either 1) Lance doesn't have the work ethic to improve or 2) Shanahan never wanted to draft him so he's deliberately tanking him.

Take a look at how the Colts seemingly have gone all-in on Richardson; it's mind boggling that the 49ers wouldn't want to give Lance more of an opportunity unless there is some outside factor.

Which franchise has been more successful lately? Some teams understand the concept of sunk costs and don’t let clinging relentlessly to bad decisions drag them down too far. They put the best talent on the field, not the players that gratify their egos.

The 49ers have a competitive roster, the Colts don't, too. The Colts have the luxury of being more patient. Look at the Jets, a year and a half of Wilson and they were out. They had a team that was competitive, and needed a QB that would help them now, not MAYBE in a few years. Lance was drafted to the wrong team, really. They made a mistake in a COVID year, and there were rumours early on that he wasn't what they thought they were getting (athletically and otherwise), once he got into the building, type thing. The injury last year was catastrophic to his career arc, as well.

[Menace2010]

Some Darnell Washington love from Gronk himself:
"Darnell Washington, I think he’s going to have a great year,” Gronkowski said. “I would say he’s going to put up around 600 or 700 yards and help the offense gain some first downs, a couple touchdowns in the red zone. He’s 6-foot-7, like 265 pounds and he looks like a freak out there.”
https://steelersnow.com/gronk-makes-ins ... ashington/

And a nifty display of sticky hands...
https://twitter.com/FCProspects_/status ... 06532?s=20

Only 7 TEs had more than 700 yards last season and only 9 had more than 600. Appreciate the Gronk hyperbole, but I'd gamble a pretty penny on this not happening. If I owned him anywhere, I don't, I'd he ecstatic with 350+ yards and a handful of TDs in year one.

[Bronco Billy]

I know the Purdy v. Lance issue has been beaten to death five times over, but I still find it hard to believe that the 49ers are willing to give up on Lance so quickly (i.e. given his limited play time due to injuries). I've come to the conclusion that either 1) Lance doesn't have the work ethic to improve or 2) Shanahan never wanted to draft him so he's deliberately tanking him.

Take a look at how the Colts seemingly have gone all-in on Richardson; it's mind boggling that the 49ers wouldn't want to give Lance more of an opportunity unless there is some outside factor.

Which franchise has been more successful lately? Some teams understand the concept of sunk costs and don’t let clinging relentlessly to bad decisions drag them down too far. They put the best talent on the field, not the players that gratify their egos.

The 49ers have a competitive roster, the Colts don't, too. The Colts have the luxury of being more patient. Look at the Jets, a year and a half of Wilson and they were out. They had a team that was competitive, and needed a QB that would help them now, not MAYBE in a few years. Lance was drafted to the wrong team, really. They made a mistake in a COVID year, and there were rumours early on that he wasn't what they thought they were getting (athletically and otherwise), once he got into the building, type thing. The injury last year was catastrophic to his career arc, as well.

If IND stands by Richardson for the entirety of his rookie contract they could very well set their franchise back for the next decade or more as well as waste careers of guys like Taylor. SF simply finds the solution and moves forward without wasting seasons trying to justify their mistake. I like the latter’s business model a lot better than the former’s.