Kendre Miller Thread

[Bronco Billy]

People were annoyed that they didnt get Kincaid and Miller at a discount and watched them go to already good rosters.

I came away with Addison, Kendre, Tyjae, Tillman, and Evans picking from the 1.09 (snake) as this was a startup rookie draft separate from the main draft.

Rookie picks should be in the startup draft, IMO. So what, the rookie draft order goes the opposite of the startup? So the guy at the 1/2 turn in the startup basically gets and extra first round startup pick. Bijan is going around 11 in SF leagues. It's a really poor way to setup a startup draft, IMO. Just my 2 cents.

Would you feel the same way if the vet startup was held before the NFL draft and the rookie draft was held after the NFL draft? How about if that were the case and a lottery was held to allow owners to pick their draft slot knowing the rookie draft order would be a reversal of the vet draft order? Then it becomes essentially the same as any established league. Not crazy about the rookie draft being serpentine but given that teams didn’t have a previous season to establish records I can understand it a bit more. I think if the rook draft is serpentine I’d prefer a 3rd round reversal at least.

[MFundercover]

I agree completely. Theres a few things I dont like about this league set up.

I joined as an orphan, 9/12 of the original owners returned. Everyone chose 3 keepers from their roster. The 3 orphan owners (including me) chose 3 keepers from a pool consisting of the players that were on those rosters.

Then the rookie draft was reverse order snake of the startup.

If I had landed the 1.01 rookie pick and 1.12 startup pick my first 5 players would have been Lawrence, Fields, JT, Bijan, and Olave.

It's an unbalanced league. There are about 6 very good teams and then a pretty clear tier drop.

Whatever. Not my league or my rules. I run team 1 in my sig and it's more balanced an competitive. ADP and trade value is super tight there. No juggernaut and no team is hopeless.

[Jigga94]

People were annoyed that they didnt get Kincaid and Miller at a discount and watched them go to already good rosters.

I came away with Addison, Kendre, Tyjae, Tillman, and Evans picking from the 1.09 (snake) as this was a startup rookie draft separate from the main draft.

Rookie picks should be in the startup draft, IMO. So what, the rookie draft order goes the opposite of the startup? So the guy at the 1/2 turn in the startup basically gets and extra first round startup pick. Bijan is going around 11 in SF leagues. It's a really poor way to setup a startup draft, IMO. Just my 2 cents.

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[Jigga94]

Just took him over Flowers, Kincaid and Charbonnet

[lic217]

Just took him over Flowers, Kincaid and Charbonnet

I have Miller easily ahead of those guys

[Jigga94]

Just took him over Flowers, Kincaid and Charbonnet

I have Miller easily ahead of those guys

I will say I was debating Flowers since team needs WR more than RB. But Kendre is that guy I'm not leaving my draft without

[Ray Finkle]

Just took him over Flowers, Kincaid and Charbonnet

I have Miller easily ahead of those guys

I will say I was debating Flowers since team needs WR more than RB. But Kendre is that guy I'm not leaving my draft without

Selfish question here as I will be making a decision between the two…for you, how much does situation influence Miller over Charbonet? Or do you honestly like the player better?

[j4pac]

As of right now I have Charbonnet higher. Miller is hurt…which is a big factor. Fortunately my league drafts after the start of training camp. If Miller isn’t ready by then I’m moving him down. That should be plenty enough time for his injury.

Charbonnet has the draft capital and I think he’s more well rounded. Miller might be a little more twitchy but I honestly think that is an overrated quality. I don’t think that Miller’s situation is as good as people argue. Jamaal Williams, though unsexy, is an annoying good football player and a locker room favorite. Dudes going to steal work. Taysom Hill is another guy who is annoying amazing at the game of football…he’s going to steal work. That doesn’t even get into Kamara who has looked amazing working with Carr in OTA.

[Bronco Billy]

I have Miller easily ahead of those guys

I will say I was debating Flowers since team needs WR more than RB. But Kendre is that guy I'm not leaving my draft without

Selfish question here as I will be making a decision between the two…for you, how much does situation influence Miller over Charbonet? Or do you honestly like the player better?

You’re asking a person who is taking a position that is contrary to the overall sentiment. Charbonnet has a higher ADP than Miller despite the general perception that he has more onerous competition. I’m a strong proponent of both guys, and I do tend to be a contrarian myself (I’ve got both of these guys over Gibbs - that’s even more outside the lines than Jigga) but given their foundation of evidence so far Charbonnet appears to be a greater overall talent than Miller. How both respond moving forward, as with all rookies, remains to be seen.

[Jigga94]

I have Miller easily ahead of those guys

I will say I was debating Flowers since team needs WR more than RB. But Kendre is that guy I'm not leaving my draft without

Selfish question here as I will be making a decision between the two…for you, how much does situation influence Miller over Charbonet? Or do you honestly like the player better?

Situation is the tie breaker for me. I had both very close predraft but was probably leaning Charbonnet mostly for receiving. His situation with Walker has me worried though.

Power- Charbonnet

Speed- Kendre has a better top gear

Receiving- Charbonnet, but I don't think Kendre is a slouch here either

Elusiveness- thought both left more to be desired here, but edge to Kendre. He was able to absorb contact and stay up more often I thought. Charbonnet likes to truck through defenders and fall forward (not a bad thing at all, it's why he has the edge in power)

Size- don't think this makes a difference between these 2, both 215 lbs.

Production- no clear winner here imo but both have interesting college history. Kendre was at TCU for 3 years and made Zach Evans (a highly regarded prospect 1 year ago) transfer out. Had a big Jr year afterwards. Charbonnet had a pretty good Fr year, but then transferred to UCLA afyer covid year and ran all over PAC12 defenses as a Jr and Sr.

Age- Kendre is 1.5 years younger, but doubt it matters much in the big picture. Either they win a lead role or they don't.

[Jigga94]

I will say I was debating Flowers since team needs WR more than RB. But Kendre is that guy I'm not leaving my draft without

Selfish question here as I will be making a decision between the two…for you, how much does situation influence Miller over Charbonet? Or do you honestly like the player better?

You’re asking a person who is taking a position that is contrary to the overall sentiment. Charbonnet has a higher ADP than Miller despite the general perception that he has more onerous competition. I’m a strong proponent of both guys, and I do tend to be a contrarian myself (I’ve got both of these guys over Gibbs - that’s even more outside the lines than Jigga) but given their foundation of evidence so far Charbonnet appears to be a greater overall talent than Miller. How both respond moving forward, as with all rookies, remains to be seen.

I caved on Gibbs after he got drafted so high lol, but definitely like differing opinions. Reminds me of just last year where I was higher on R White and lower on J Cook

[Bronco Billy]

Selfish question here as I will be making a decision between the two…for you, how much does situation influence Miller over Charbonet? Or do you honestly like the player better?

You’re asking a person who is taking a position that is contrary to the overall sentiment. Charbonnet has a higher ADP than Miller despite the general perception that he has more onerous competition. I’m a strong proponent of both guys, and I do tend to be a contrarian myself (I’ve got both of these guys over Gibbs - that’s even more outside the lines than Jigga) but given their foundation of evidence so far Charbonnet appears to be a greater overall talent than Miller. How both respond moving forward, as with all rookies, remains to be seen.

I caved on Gibbs after he got drafted so high lol, but definitely like differing opinions. Reminds me of just last year where I was higher on R White and lower on J Cook

Agreed, and you made a good case. Missed pass protection, though…

[Jigga94]

You’re asking a person who is taking a position that is contrary to the overall sentiment. Charbonnet has a higher ADP than Miller despite the general perception that he has more onerous competition. I’m a strong proponent of both guys, and I do tend to be a contrarian myself (I’ve got both of these guys over Gibbs - that’s even more outside the lines than Jigga) but given their foundation of evidence so far Charbonnet appears to be a greater overall talent than Miller. How both respond moving forward, as with all rookies, remains to be seen.

I caved on Gibbs after he got drafted so high lol, but definitely like differing opinions. Reminds me of just last year where I was higher on R White and lower on J Cook

Agreed, and you made a good case. Missed pass protection, though…

I will admit that's one thing I don't look really look at. I usually just watch all the touches. Charbonnet definitely has the edge there from what I've heard

[Cameron Giles]

I will say I was debating Flowers since team needs WR more than RB. But Kendre is that guy I'm not leaving my draft without

Selfish question here as I will be making a decision between the two…for you, how much does situation influence Miller over Charbonet? Or do you honestly like the player better?

Situation is the tie breaker for me. I had both very close predraft but was probably leaning Charbonnet mostly for receiving. His situation with Walker has me worried though.

Power- Charbonnet

Speed- Kendre has a better top gear

Receiving- Charbonnet, but I don't think Kendre is a slouch here either

Elusiveness- thought both left more to be desired here, but edge to Kendre. He was able to absorb contact and stay up more often I thought. Charbonnet likes to truck through defenders and fall forward (not a bad thing at all, it's why he has the edge in power)

Size- don't think this makes a difference between these 2, both 215 lbs.

Production- no clear winner here imo but both have interesting college history. Kendre was at TCU for 3 years and made Zach Evans (a highly regarded prospect 1 year ago) transfer out. Had a big Jr year afterwards. Charbonnet had a pretty good Fr year, but then transferred to UCLA afyer covid year and ran all over PAC12 defenses as a Jr and Sr.

Age- Kendre is 1.5 years younger, but doubt it matters much in the big picture. Either they win a lead role or they don't.

I think this is a good look at it. I'd give the edge to Charbonnet for receiving usage and ability.

[FantasyFreak]

I have Miller easily ahead of those guys

I will say I was debating Flowers since team needs WR more than RB. But Kendre is that guy I'm not leaving my draft without

Selfish question here as I will be making a decision between the two…for you, how much does situation influence Miller over Charbonet? Or do you honestly like the player better?

I took Kendre over him everywhere, myself. Kendre got day 2 capital as an underclassmen, Charbs had to return to school as a senior to get that. Like both players, but I think Kendre is the better player, in the better situation. He's more explosive, and he can catch, usage in college was the only reason people think Charbonnet is a better receiver, Kendre has good hands.