Based on your definitions it sounds like he is great at both!mgscott wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 11:41 amI was referring more to the forced missed tackle "stat" that you left out. I acknowledge YAC is yards after first contact, but even that can be misleading. If an RB breaks one weak arm tackle behind the line of scrimmage then runs 80 yards untouched they get over 80 yds of YAC. But does that show they are a good between the tackles runner? or even a good tackle-breaker? I wouldn't go there. Etienne is an explosive open field runner with burst and speed, which lends itself to a lot of long runs, especially in that offense. He should have a good to great YAC even if he isn't good at tackle breaking.Sriracha wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 11:09 amYards after contact is literally the yards generated after first contact with a defender.mgscott wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 10:58 am
OK. I guess we have different ideas of what breaking tackles is. Forced missed tackles more often than not are juking defenders out vs breaking through tackles. That's how Monty got such a high rating. It also seems to be a fairly subjective stat as I recall Monty seemed to get credit for some in college that were far from forced missed tackles. To each their own, I guess, but I am in the camp that Etienne is not much of a between the tackles runner unless the hole is huge. Forced missed tackles and yards after contact doesn't sway my opinion on that.
Almost half of his total yards in college, which is very impressive, came after contact. The defense makes contact with the ball carrier for only one reason regardless of how one spins it. Etienne's willingness to fight is actually impressive on tape to me which is one reason I rate him so high personally.
The stats simply show that Etienne doesn't struggle breaking tackles; They show the opposite which makes me question the narrative I am seeing out there.
No issues if someone likes Harris better. There is a lot to like about him as well but it seems many are looking for reasons that do not show up on tape to differentiate two very different style of RB's. I like both backs a lot. My bottom line though is Etienne brings more to the party longer term so I rate him higher.