Ya that's part of my point though. A lot of people love to hate Goff. If people expect Goff to continue to be this bad, well that is going to be very bad news for Kupp and his WR1 pace as wellhoos89 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:26 pmIt's hard to knock a WR that much when the whole offense imploded for a week, though.Jigga94 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:06 pmSo his situation went from perfect to terrible for a week. When it's perfect it's because of him and when it's terrible it had nothing to do with him?
Not a Kupp hater, I'm with everyone else saying he's in that 10-12 range for WR. Just making a statement of how bad this week was
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Re: Cooper Kupp is a WR1
Re: Cooper Kupp is a WR1
Hasn't really hurt him prior to this week. One terrible game against a great defense sometimes happens.
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Re: Cooper Kupp is a WR1
What changed in his situation over the last week? Nothing.Jigga94 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:06 pmSo his situation went from perfect to terrible for a week. When it's perfect it's because of him and when it's terrible it had nothing to do with him?
Not a Kupp hater, I'm with everyone else saying he's in that 10-12 range for WR. Just making a statement of how bad this week was
The entire offence didn't do anything, nothing worked - that happens.
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Kupp is amazing when the offense is rolling. Goffs fault when it's not. Just pointing out my observations here. My rank for Kupp or Goff hasn't changed. It's 1 week. We're in agreementtrc wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:15 pmWhat changed in his situation over the last week? Nothing.Jigga94 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:06 pmSo his situation went from perfect to terrible for a week. When it's perfect it's because of him and when it's terrible it had nothing to do with him?
Not a Kupp hater, I'm with everyone else saying he's in that 10-12 range for WR. Just making a statement of how bad this week was
The entire offence didn't do anything, nothing worked - that happens.
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It's either Goff's or the o-lines fault if Goff can't get balls to open receivers. It's the receivers' fault if they can't get open or haul in catchable balls. I think yesterday's performance falls in the former category (both Goff and o-line). Now it's fair to wonder how much of a problem that is going forward, but that performance looks like an outlier to me (even if the Rams offense as a whole is way down from 1H 2018).
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Re: Cooper Kupp is a WR1
Kupp is still the #3 scoring WR in PPR.
In a week when the offense only had 78 passing yards, and one of the lowest scoring weeks of his career he still scored more than....
Keenan Allen
JuJu
Not to mention he still scored more this week than the following players worst weeks
Evans x 2 this year
Diggs x 2 this year
Golladay
Ridley
OBJ's
Among many other who people say are in the WR1 discussion.
In a week when the offense only had 78 passing yards, and one of the lowest scoring weeks of his career he still scored more than....
Keenan Allen
JuJu
Not to mention he still scored more this week than the following players worst weeks
Evans x 2 this year
Diggs x 2 this year
Golladay
Ridley
OBJ's
Among many other who people say are in the WR1 discussion.
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Re: Cooper Kupp is a WR1
Yup, WR is a pretty dependant position and will have poor games at times when the QB is having a bad game or the defense is just dominating. Every WR is going to have games like this over the course of their career, and this changes nothing for Kupp. Still a top 10 WR.DinoDynasty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:31 am Kupp is still the #3 scoring WR in PPR.
In a week when the offense only had 78 passing yards, and one of the lowest scoring weeks of his career he still scored more than....
Keenan Allen
JuJu
Not to mention he still scored more this week than the following players worst weeks
Evans x 2 this year
Diggs x 2 this year
Golladay
Ridley
OBJ's
Among many other who people say are in the WR1 discussion.
Re: Cooper Kupp is a WR1
Anyone panicking yet?
Re: Cooper Kupp is a WR1
I was one of the "detractors" if you will but I don't think his owners should be panicked as long as they took the realistic approach in that his production pace was not sustainable.
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He's still WR3 on the season. I also don't think an 11 point week is true bust territory for a WR...it's underwhelming, but it happens. He has 16.7 points through the last 2 games. Consensus WR1s with worse stretches this season:
Julio - 16.5 (weeks 4-5)
Keenan: 11.5 (weeks 5-6...also really any 2 week stretch since week 4)
Evans: 14.9 (weeks 1-2)
Odell: 9 (weeks 4-5)
JuJu shockingly hasn't had a worse 2 week stretch, but he did sandwich an 18.5 with a 4.5 and a 1.7.
I get that you don't think he's a WR1 and are seizing on a couple of slow weeks from Kupp to try to hammer that point home, but nobody who thinks he's a WR1 is panicking on the basis of two weeks.
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Will probably be the top scoring WR after this game.
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TE: Kelce, Musgrave, Otton, Gray, Woods
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Re: Cooper Kupp is a WR1
Was it?
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Re: Cooper Kupp is a WR1
This community is a bunch of posturing back and forth, based on reactions from a single game.
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