Advice for acquiring the 1.01

[MacLeod]

Hey Guys,
Jordan Matthews and Dante Moncrief are about to get a lot more expensive, so I was going to try and trade them before the trade deadline this year.

My question is if you had the 1.01 for next year would it take one or both of them to get that pick? Or something else?

Thanks!

[doctor d]

Not all that close, even with both of them. 1.01 next year is probably similar value to that owner as the value of Zeke right now, and 1.01 will only continue to get pricier. You're gonna need to move more than your WR4 and WR5 to get it, for sure.

[jomaed]

Id assume it would take both and the owner to be set at RB for them to make the deal.

[Mike from Canada]

Not close.

[koalabear]

Both is a solid offer for a rebuilder looking for 2 quality WRs rather than building around Fournette.

[dblj1199]

If I received this offer I wouldn't even counter it or respond to it. Not even close.

[InRodgersWeTrust]

I wouldn't accept accept this for the 1.01 either but I don't think it's as far off as you guys think.

As it stands, the 1.01 is currently Forunette. To say he already has equal value to Zeke is ridiculous. Keep in mind we don't even know where Forunette will end up. Zeke landed in pretty much the best possible scenario for a young RB. Young, conservative QB behind the best O line in football. Conversely, look at what has happened to Gurley in LA. Both are similarly talented players.

As for Moncrief and Matthews, both would be considered less talented relative to their positional peers when compared to a guy like Forunette yet they remain primary targets for two young and promising QBs.

[schiewerma21]

Ya this is kinda a terrible offer but I think it's a reasonable starting point.

I own the 1.01 in two leagues and I would atleast reply to you.

In my team in sig 3 (which is an orphan team I got this year) is where I need the most help. If someone offered me moncrief and a player close to Mathews talent (already own him) I would probably want their first too. (Assuming it was mid to late)

I think that is a very reasonable and fair offer for fournette. And all the posters are correct, his price will only increase from here.

Additionally to the poster comparing them to gurley: very fair point. However what situation in the NFL is even CLOSE to the Rams? San Francisco? Sure but they will take a qb likely. Cleveland? I feel Pryor and Coleman are infinitely better than any wr on the Rams. And barnidge has a pulse too.
I think gurley is in the worst spot you can possibly be in. The odds of fournette going to a spot anywhere near that bad are slim to none

[n20]

Is there a possibility to consider the 1.02? If the 1.01 owners needs are set at RB, maybe there is a chance who you want might drop to 1.02 and easier (a little) to acquire with Dorsett and Jordan?

[doctor d]

I wouldn't accept accept this for the 1.01 either but I don't think it's as far off as you guys think.

As it stands, the 1.01 is currently Forunette. To say he already has equal value to Zeke is ridiculous. Keep in mind we don't even know where Forunette will end up. Zeke landed in pretty much the best possible scenario for a young RB. Young, conservative QB behind the best O line in football. Conversely, look at what has happened to Gurley in LA. Both are similarly talented players.

As for Moncrief and Matthews, both would be considered less talented relative to their positional peers when compared to a guy like Forunette yet they remain primary targets for two young and promising QBs.

I'm not necessarily saying Fournette=Zeke; I'm saying 1.01 in a loaded draft class is equal value to Zeke, who was 1.01 in a weak draft class. The 1.01 before Zeke still has similar value to Zeke, which is a top-15 dynasty asset. Next year's 1.01 will be around there, if not higher, by draft day next year. You may personally disagree, but it's not ridiculous.

[thomasscheeks]

Not close. I sold the 1.01 last year for cooks and TY and i feel like i probably could have got more. that was the best offer i got though. (not a fan of zeke, his character sucks)

[sugbear65]

Zeke is already valued at the RB1 or 2 in dynasty and likely a top 5-7 startup pick. I don't care if it's mainstream or not, anyone who values the 1.01 as equal to that is the very definition of ridiculous. Maybe higher? Just wow.
To answer the AP, I would throw both those WRs together and see if he bites. If it's a wr needy team you never know. But I think a lot of the luster on Matthews has died, he's settled in as a WR3. And Moncrief has always been decisive, so you'd need to find a believer there. Ultimately it will probably take a more sought after asset, but I don't see any harm in starting there. But no way just one of them gets you there alone, lose that thought.

[doctor d]

Zeke is already valued at the RB1 or 2 in dynasty and likely a top 5-7 startup pick. I don't care if it's mainstream or not, anyone who values the 1.01 as equal to that is the very definition of ridiculous. Maybe higher? Just wow.
To answer the AP, I would throw both those WRs together and see if he bites. If it's a wr needy team you never know. But I think a lot of the luster on Matthews has died, he's settled in as a WR3. And Moncrief has always been decisive, so you'd need to find a believer there. Ultimately it will probably take a more sought after asset, but I don't see any harm in starting there. But no way just one of them gets you there alone, lose that thought.

Zeke's October ADP on this site is 10th overall. 11th overall? Gurley, whom you seem to point to as an example of worst case scenario for Fournette. Bell is 15th overall, and there are plenty of concerns with him. So no, I don't think it's ridiculous to put the value of next year's 1.01 in the Zeke/Gurley/Bell range, especially when people way smarter than me say Fournette compares favorably to AP.

[sugbear65]

Zeke is already valued at the RB1 or 2 in dynasty and likely a top 5-7 startup pick. I don't care if it's mainstream or not, anyone who values the 1.01 as equal to that is the very definition of ridiculous. Maybe higher? Just wow.
To answer the AP, I would throw both those WRs together and see if he bites. If it's a wr needy team you never know. But I think a lot of the luster on Matthews has died, he's settled in as a WR3. And Moncrief has always been decisive, so you'd need to find a believer there. Ultimately it will probably take a more sought after asset, but I don't see any harm in starting there. But no way just one of them gets you there alone, lose that thought.

Zeke's October ADP on this site is 10th overall. 11th overall? Gurley, whom you seem to point to as an example of worst case scenario for Fournette. Bell is 15th overall, and there are plenty of concerns with him. So no, I don't think it's ridiculous to put the value of next year's 1.01 in the Zeke/Gurley/Bell range, especially when people way smarter than me say Fournette compares favorably to AP.

Oh there's a lot worse case scenario than Gurly for Fournette, and it's called Trent Richardson. And every top runner every single year "compares favorably" to AP, that comparison is beyond played out.
I'm not saying that the value of the 1.01 WONT get that high, I'm saying it's beyond silly if it does. But to credit your argument, the 1.01 this year climbed to about those heights, so it's not unreasonable to think this will too. The problem is Elliot had to be the beast he's been for that value to just break even. And since we have such short term memories, some people are going to hold Elliot level value on that 1.01. So while you are right and I agree it may actually climb that far, it's just asinine in my opinion that it does. And if 1.01 gets > Elliot, than somebody really needs to call a meeting so we can sit down as a dynasty community and rethink how we value rookie picks.

[doctor d]

Zeke is already valued at the RB1 or 2 in dynasty and likely a top 5-7 startup pick. I don't care if it's mainstream or not, anyone who values the 1.01 as equal to that is the very definition of ridiculous. Maybe higher? Just wow.
To answer the AP, I would throw both those WRs together and see if he bites. If it's a wr needy team you never know. But I think a lot of the luster on Matthews has died, he's settled in as a WR3. And Moncrief has always been decisive, so you'd need to find a believer there. Ultimately it will probably take a more sought after asset, but I don't see any harm in starting there. But no way just one of them gets you there alone, lose that thought.

Zeke's October ADP on this site is 10th overall. 11th overall? Gurley, whom you seem to point to as an example of worst case scenario for Fournette. Bell is 15th overall, and there are plenty of concerns with him. So no, I don't think it's ridiculous to put the value of next year's 1.01 in the Zeke/Gurley/Bell range, especially when people way smarter than me say Fournette compares favorably to AP.

Oh there's a lot worse case scenario than Gurly for Fournette, and it's called Trent Richardson. And every top runner every single year "compares favorably" to AP, that comparison is beyond played out.
I'm not saying that the value of the 1.01 WONT get that high, I'm saying it's beyond silly if it does. But to credit your argument, the 1.01 this year climbed to about those heights, so it's not unreasonable to think this will too. The problem is Elliot had to be the beast he's been for that value to just break even. And since we have such short term memories, some people are going to hold Elliot level value on that 1.01. So while you are right and I agree it may actually climb that far, it's just asinine in my opinion that it does. And if 1.01 gets > Elliot, than somebody really needs to call a meeting so we can sit down as a dynasty community and rethink how we value rookie picks.

I agree that probably an unwarranted amount of value is placed on rookie picks, especially in next year's class. And yep, value of a pick probably isn't an effective indicator of future production, to your point about T-Rich. But value is just about what someone will pay you for it, and there's a very good case to be made (whether true or not) that Fournette's talent >= Zeke/Gurley/Bell. This is exactly why I sold my 1.01 last year on an orphan I picked up for a crazy haul -- because as much as I wanted to own Zeke, people were valuing the allure of 1.01 way higher than they should have.

Also, who else has been seriously compared to AP recently? (Serious question, I don't specifically remember anyone.)