Will the Packers give TY Montgomery a chance to be lead back?

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Will the Packers give TY Montgomery a chance to be lead back?

Postby brooklynkid » Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:09 pm

Now that Lacy has signed with the Seahawks How do you think the Packers will address their RB situation? I know there's still Charles, Peterson and Murray out there. I think Charles is the best option but i don't know about him because of two ACL injuries. I don't think Peterson is good fit because he doesn't pass block very well and he's not a big factor in the pass game. I think Murray will sign with Vikings because he doesn't want to be in a timeshare like he was in Oakland. Now there's always the draft but what round would they draft a RB and could he be a Day 1 starter? Thoughts?
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Re: Will the Packers give TY Montgomery a chance to be lead back?

Postby Jason3123 » Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:20 pm

I think they bring in a big RB. Maybe draft a Perine/Foreman. Or maybe bring in a AP/Martin.

Regardless I think Montgomery has a significant role.

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Re: Will the Packers give TY Montgomery a chance to be lead back?

Postby Franky Four Fingers » Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:25 pm

Blount follows the 'Black Unicorn' to GB and caps Montgomery as a gadget guy.

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Re: Will the Packers give TY Montgomery a chance to be lead back?

Postby skip » Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:29 pm

Prior discussions on the same topic for some additional input:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=134036

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=135127
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Re: Will the Packers give TY Montgomery a chance to be lead back?

Postby palevermilion » Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:38 pm

skip wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:29 pm Prior discussions on the same topic for some additional input:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=134036

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=135127
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Re: Will the Packers give TY Montgomery a chance to be lead back?

Postby kamihamster » Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:44 pm

Jason3123 wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:20 pm I think they bring in a big RB. Maybe draft a Perine/Foreman. Or maybe bring in a AP/Martin.

Regardless I think Montgomery has a significant role.
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Re: Will the Packers give TY Montgomery a chance to be lead back?

Postby Spinkso » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:26 pm

I highly doubt Ted Thompson spends any money on the RB position unless it's the veteran minimum. With Ty Montgomery we need to remember a few things before we dismiss him as being the lead guy.
He's built like a running back. He's 6' 215. His build suggests that he can be much more than a gadget guy. His play, while limited showed a glimpse that he can be more than just a gadget guy.
While he played running back in high school at St. Marks in Dallas, 2016 was the first time he's been in the running back room since then. Give him a full off season to grow and hone his craft in and we should see a more effective and efficient back. Will he get 300 carries? No, but I believe 200 carries and 50 receptions is reasonable. The biggest part of his game that he has to clean up is pass blocking. I can think of a handful of plays where he whiffed on a blitzer and nearly got 12 killed. If he can't pass protect on 3rd down, he'll be limited.

We should also remember that Ted Thompson
2007, pick 63, Brandon Jackson
2007, pick 228, DeShawn Wynn
2010, pick 193, James Starks
2011, pick 96, Alex Green
2013, pick 61, Eddie Lacy
2013, pick 125, Johnathan Franklin

In 12 draft classes, Ted Thompson has drafted 6 running backs. Never one in the 1st, 2 rb's in the 2nd round, 1 in the 3rd, 1 in the 4th and the other two in the 7th. Ted typically doesn't like to invest draft capital into running backs are inside linebackers. With the defense in need of an influx in talent, I'm not sure he'll invest an early pick in a running back that will supplant Ty Montgomery.

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Re: Will the Packers give TY Montgomery a chance to be lead back?

Postby jcc6fd » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:54 pm

If I were betting I'd say no. He did nicely as a fill-in this past year but I'd be concerned if I were a Packers Fan and a better 2 down back (at least) wasn't added. Montgomery retains fantasy value if he keeps catching passes out of the backfield, but the dream of getting the WW 3-down back seems a tad delusional.
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Re: Will the Packers give TY Montgomery a chance to be lead back?

Postby IBall2 » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:10 pm

What about CMike? They could easily resign him to help Ty and he's been in the system for half a season.

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Re: Will the Packers give TY Montgomery a chance to be lead back?

Postby jcc6fd » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:15 pm

IBall2 wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:10 pm What about CMike? They could easily resign him to help Ty and he's been in the system for half a season.
I want to believe you're being serious, but any positive comment about C-Mike seems like sarcasm.
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Re: Will the Packers give TY Montgomery a chance to be lead back?

Postby moishetreats » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:24 pm

They also have UDFA from last year, Don Jackson, whom they really like. Thompson might sign a veteran free agent on the cheap later on (or trade a late-round pick for a player later on), but none of the bigger names on free agency will be coming to GB. They'll use the draft to create competition.
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Re: Will the Packers give TY Montgomery a chance to be lead back?

Postby Jason3123 » Tue Mar 14, 2017 5:09 pm

PlayerProfiler.com released an article today, "Best RB's vs Light Defensive Fronts". A light defensive front is defined as 7 or less defenders inside the tackle box and in order to qualify you needed to average 5.0+ YPC.

They ranked Ty Montgomery #1.

Some key stats:

A 34.7% juke rate (3rd)
6.7 Yard Per Touch (6th)
2.8 Yards After Contact Per Touch (1st in football)

He also had a 78.5% catch rate, which is excellent.

I have said in the past I don't view Montgomery as a full time RB, considering full time RB's barely exist anyways. I do see Montgomery as a role player in the 2017 Packer's Offense short of them adding Christian McCaffrey. I don't see any other addition at this point erasing him from the offense.

To me he will be a Theo/Duke/Gio/Dion Lewis type player in GB's offense. In one of the other threads someone mentioned Green Bay doesn't utilize their RB's that way. I agree, but I would argue they haven't had a player like Montgomery either.

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Re: Will the Packers give TY Montgomery a chance to be lead back?

Postby onetwothree » Tue Mar 14, 2017 5:20 pm

Maybe Ted Thompson is breaking from convention this year? He did go out and sign Martellus. Fall short enough times and you'll re-think your process.

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Re: Will the Packers give TY Montgomery a chance to be lead back?

Postby IBall2 » Tue Mar 14, 2017 5:52 pm

jcc6fd wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:15 pm
IBall2 wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:10 pm What about CMike? They could easily resign him to help Ty and he's been in the system for half a season.
I want to believe you're being serious, but any positive comment about C-Mike seems like sarcasm.
I'm being serious, I own zero shares of CMike, his size and early down ability seems to gel well with what Ty can do, plus Ted doesn't like signing FAs so I don't think they make any more moves in FA for an RB.

It is concerning that they didn't use him more down the stretch when they obviously had a lack of RB depth. But they know they can sign him at the veteran minimum wage because he had very little interest from other teams over the last few season while bouncing around Seattle, Dallas and now GB.

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Re: Will the Packers give TY Montgomery a chance to be lead back?

Postby skip » Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:35 pm

Jason3123 wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2017 5:09 pm I have said in the past I don't view Montgomery as a full time RB, considering full time RB's barely exist anyways. I do see Montgomery as a role player in the 2017 Packer's Offense short of them adding Christian McCaffrey. I don't see any other addition at this point erasing him from the offense.
Ah...Stats can tell so many a tale if you spin them right... I think these are more telling for his role:

Number of games with double digit carries: 1
Number of receptions in weeks 6&7: 20
Number of receptions in weeks 9 thru 17: 24

Player profiler is just trying to latch onto something to make a good story.

You are right, he is a role player and any signing at this point won't change that. But the idea that he could be the lead back (subject of this thread) is a resounding no.
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