Kaepernick or Foles?

[ShowMe]

Which one do you prefer and why? Kaep is a about a yr older and has a VERY tough division schedule. Foles benefitted last season from a very weak schedule.

[Novacane]

Foles for me.

[kmbryant09]

Kaepernick for me without thinking twice.

Whenever Kaep has had his usual weapons (Boldin/Crabtree/Davis) he's been an easy top10 QB. And they have been talking about unleashing Kaep this season.

Foles, I'm just not sold on. While I acknowledge that Kaep has only proven it for 1.5 seasons, I need more than 9 games in an extremely QB-friendly system against horrible defenses to buy into Foles.

[Scorpio78]

Kaepernick for me without thinking twice.

Whenever Kaep has had his usual weapons (Boldin/Crabtree/Davis) he's been an easy top10 QB. And they have been talking about unleashing Kaep this season.

Foles, I'm just not sold on. While I acknowledge that Kaep has only proven it for 1.5 seasons, I need more than 9 games in an extremely QB-friendly system against horrible defenses to buy into Foles.

I think I would choose Foles in this debate. Both Foles and Kap bring upside...they also bring risk. We could be talking about two top ten QBs or we could be talking about two guys that regress, morph into Matt Schaub, and ultimately find themselves at an early retirement home with Vince Young. As for the quote I highlighted from kmbryant, I think this is exactly why Foles is the BETTER investment than Kap. Since when did playing in a QB friendly system become a bad thing for our starting fantasy quarterbacks? SMH. If your argument is that Foles is easily replaceable, then fine...that's legit. But Kap doesn't have a whole lot of guaranteed money, and he's just as likely as Foles to be replaced if that was indeed your argument. Let's just assume that Kap and Foles are both starting NFL QBs three years from now...under that scenario I would rather have the guy tied to Chip Kelly.

[kmbryant09]

Kaepernick for me without thinking twice.

Whenever Kaep has had his usual weapons (Boldin/Crabtree/Davis) he's been an easy top10 QB. And they have been talking about unleashing Kaep this season.

Foles, I'm just not sold on. While I acknowledge that Kaep has only proven it for 1.5 seasons, I need more than 9 games in an extremely QB-friendly system against horrible defenses to buy into Foles.

I think I would choose Foles in this debate. Both Foles and Kap bring upside...they also bring risk. We could be talking about two top ten QBs or we could be talking about two guys that regress, morph into Matt Schaub, and ultimately find themselves at an early retirement home with Vince Young. As for the quote I highlighted from kmbryant, I think this is exactly why Foles is the BETTER investment than Kap. Since when did playing in a QB friendly system become a bad thing for our starting fantasy quarterbacks? SMH. If your argument is that Foles is easily replaceable, then fine...that's legit. But Kap doesn't have a whole lot of guaranteed money, and he's just as likely as Foles to be replaced if that was indeed your argument. Let's just assume that Kap and Foles are both starting NFL QBs three years from now...under that scenario I would rather have the guy tied to Chip Kelly.

I brought up the point because I think situations can change a lot faster than talent can change. To be honest, after just 9 games, I'm not willing to say that Foles is an elite-level talent at the QB position. Therefore, if he was the starting QB in Jacksonville with an average supporting cast and a solid defense, I'm not even sure he could sustain the starting QB position.

Kaep on the other hand, I feel like has been held back because of his situation. I feel like he's an elite-level talent - obviously he's not a pure-passer like Manning/Brees//Brady, but (in my opinion), he's proven himself to be a solid in-the-pocket passer, while also possessing elite scrambling/rushing skills. He's had average to below-average weapons, a conservative offense, and a top3 defense (which keeps a QB from putting up more production) - and he's still been a top12 QB.

In short, Foles is a low-end QB 1 BECAUSE of his weapons, (lack of) defense, and offensive system. Kaepernick is a low-end QB DESPITE his weapons, (stout) defense, and conservative offensive system.

In terms of how pure talent translates to fantasy production, to me, it's not even close: Kaep >>>>>>> Foles

[ShowMe]

Thanks for the replies. I think the two QBs are about as even as there are, in their own different ways. So, I accepted the trade with a slight counter-proposal. I gave up Foles and the 2014 2.12 in exchange for Kaepernick and the 2014 2.5. I think that result still makes it a very even trade, but just slightly in my favor.

[bpatrick]

I think you did well. My reservations about Foles are two-fold. First, why did he not perform better at the beginning of the season? Did he need more time to learn the offense, was his later success due to matchup? Second, he was a bit of an unknown last year so defenses have not had an offseason to study him, which they are certainly doing now. Similarly, DCs now have a full season of tape on Chip Kelly's offense. Kaepernick has been the starter over two seasons so defenses did have an offseason to study him and he still performed at a high level.

[2yellows]

Kaep is gonna straight ball on people this year.

[Hawks Nest 12th Man]

Kaep is gonna straight ball on people this year.

I tend to agree with this statement. Kap has more weapons and a weaker defense. Rams and Seahawks Ds will be tough but the Cards lost Wahington, Dansby and Honey Badger til October . My only reservation on Kap he doesn't seem to be great in pocket going thru progression where Foles seems to excel in that area. Generally QBS that play from the pocket are more successful long term .

[stoconnor17]

I disagree actually, Kaep had a "good" year in terms of production for the 49ers and he didn't do much at all fantasy wise. 49ers seem to not use him as much where as Foles destroys defenses. I'd go Foles