Why Rome Odunze is the WR2 in the class

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Why Rome Odunze is the WR2 in the class

Postby gogobradyarm » Sat May 11, 2024 9:28 am

I have 1.02 in my 1QB league, and i'm going Rome Odunze and I think you should too if you're on the fence between Rome and Malik. I feel Rome has a lower risk profile and both a higher ceiling and floor as a WR that can do it all. Here is my comparison of the two...

Odunze
  • A true X, and can line up all over the field
  • Shreds press coverage
  • Physically imposing/contested catch guru (Adams/Hopkins level)
  • Good YAC
  • Excellent hands
  • Prototypical WR build
  • Good character
  • Locked into playing with Caleb Williams and chemistry is apparent, and will learn from two great WR's
  • Player Comp: If Davante Adams and DeAndre Hopkins had a baby
Nabers
  • Bonified slot WR
  • Incredible agility/speed (Tyreek like)
  • YPRR monster
  • LSU's all time receiving leader!
  • YAC Monster
  • Struggles with press coverage
  • Benefited greatly from deep slot targets
  • ~30% of production against safeties/linebackers
  • Modern WR build
  • Questionable character (arrested for bringing a gun to Mardi gras, made a bet publically known at NFL level...)
  • Locked into playing with whoever New York rolls out on Sundays, which is not looking great...will not have a great mentor WR in New York, and is in a huge market with lots of distractions
  • Player Comp: If Tyreek Hill and Percy Harvin had a baby
My Take: I feel these two are close, but I much prefer Odunze stylistically and feel he has a higher floor/higher ceiling and zero off-field concerns. I'm excited for them both, but Odunze seems to be the full package. Also, if it wasn't clear, MHJ is the clear WR1 in this class for me. So yes, i've planted my flag...I hope for some civil conversation to follow :)
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Re: Why Rome Odunze is the WR2 in the class

Postby Bronco Billy » Sat May 11, 2024 10:11 am

I also am a strong advocate of MHJ as the clear WR1 in this class, but I also understand diverse opinions on the top 3. The 3 of them win in such different ways and there’s no way to know with certainty how fully their talent set transfers over. Odunze is almost literally a flawless technician and can win on all routes at all 3 levels. That’s extraordinary and would bode very well to his future at the next level. I think the biggest hurdle for him is going to be the jump from a conference that was just horrendous in coverage to the coverage in the bigs.

I’ll be pro-MHJ in discussions, but I can also understand a position that puts either of the other 2 on top. I’d be curious to hear if anyone puts MHJ 3rd of the big 3. I’d be very intrigued to hear that argument.

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Re: Why Rome Odunze is the WR2 in the class

Postby TheTroll » Sat May 11, 2024 10:25 am

Bronco Billy wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 10:11 am I also am a strong advocate of MHJ as the clear WR1 in this class, but I also understand diverse opinions on the top 3. The 3 of them win in such different ways and there’s no way to know with certainty how fully their talent set transfers over. Odunze is almost literally a flawless technician and can win on all routes at all 3 levels. That’s extraordinary and would bode very well to his future at the next level. I think the biggest hurdle for him is going to be the jump from a conference that was just horrendous in coverage to the coverage in the bigs.

I’ll be pro-MHJ in discussions, but I can also understand a position that puts either of the other 2 on top. I’d be curious to hear if anyone puts MHJ 3rd of the big 3. I’d be very intrigued to hear that argument.
Regardless it is going to be an exciting year between these three gems! I just hope none get injured to the point it would be considered a lost season.
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TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert

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Re: Why Rome Odunze is the WR2 in the class

Postby Shoreline Steamers » Sat May 11, 2024 12:16 pm

gogobradyarm wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 9:28 am I have 1.02 in my 1QB league, and i'm going Rome Odunze and I think you should too if you're on the fence between Rome and Malik. I feel Rome has a lower risk profile and both a higher ceiling and floor as a WR that can do it all. Here is my comparison of the two...

Odunze
  • A true X, and can line up all over the field
  • Shreds press coverage
  • Physically imposing/contested catch guru (Adams/Hopkins level)
  • Good YAC
  • Excellent hands
  • Prototypical WR build
  • Good character
  • Locked into playing with Caleb Williams and chemistry is apparent, and will learn from two great WR's
  • Player Comp: If Davante Adams and DeAndre Hopkins had a baby
Nabers
  • Bonified slot WR
  • Incredible agility/speed (Tyreek like)
  • YPRR monster
  • LSU's all time receiving leader!
  • YAC Monster
  • Struggles with press coverage
  • Benefited greatly from deep slot targets
  • ~30% of production against safeties/linebackers
  • Modern WR build
  • Questionable character (arrested for bringing a gun to Mardi gras, made a bet publically known at NFL level...)
  • Locked into playing with whoever New York rolls out on Sundays, which is not looking great...will not have a great mentor WR in New York, and is in a huge market with lots of distractions
  • Player Comp: If Tyreek Hill and Percy Harvin had a baby
My Take: I feel these two are close, but I much prefer Odunze stylistically and feel he has a higher floor/higher ceiling and zero off-field concerns. I'm excited for them both, but Odunze seems to be the full package. Also, if it wasn't clear, MHJ is the clear WR1 in this class for me. So yes, i've planted my flag...I hope for some civil conversation to follow :)
I don't disagree with much of what you're saying, but I do think it's a little premature to make this statement. Not that I don't think they'll do well together, but we've little evidence of a special connection.
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Re: Why Rome Odunze is the WR2 in the class

Postby kadun2 » Sat May 11, 2024 2:58 pm

I like it. Nice write up👍

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Re: Why Rome Odunze is the WR2 in the class

Postby 81- » Sat May 11, 2024 3:18 pm

Hamstring tightness today
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Re: Why Rome Odunze is the WR2 in the class

Postby TheTroll » Sat May 11, 2024 3:21 pm

81- wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 3:18 pm Hamstring tightness today
I have Marriage tightness today too. Is that worse than a hammy?
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WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
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2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

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QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert

Taxi: Mitchell, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Douglas, Vaughn

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Re: Why Rome Odunze is the WR2 in the class

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Sat May 11, 2024 3:29 pm

81- wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 3:18 pm Hamstring tightness today
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Re: Why Rome Odunze is the WR2 in the class

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat May 11, 2024 3:36 pm

Dynasty DeLorean wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 3:29 pm
81- wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 3:18 pm Hamstring tightness today
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Re: Why Rome Odunze is the WR2 in the class

Postby gogobradyarm » Sat May 11, 2024 3:44 pm

81- wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 3:18 pm Hamstring tightness today
I did say Keenan Allen would be mentoring him....guess Rome is taking this seriously!
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WR: AJB, Olave, Aiyuk, London, Diontae Johnson, Rashee Rice, Dotson, Bateman
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Postby gogobradyarm » Sat May 11, 2024 4:34 pm

Another thing is Matt Harmon has Rome Odunze's route tree as all green, which is a first for a WR prospect. I respect his research/analysis, he isn't always right, but more often than not, he is accurate and he is pretty seasoned at this now.

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WR: AJB, Olave, Aiyuk, London, Diontae Johnson, Rashee Rice, Dotson, Bateman
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Re: Why Rome Odunze is the WR2 in the class

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat May 11, 2024 4:37 pm

gogobradyarm wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 3:44 pm
81- wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 3:18 pm Hamstring tightness today
I did say Keenan Allen would be mentoring him....guess Rome is taking this seriously!
I've never bought into the whole, mentoring thing TBH. Guys who are getting on in age will help where needed to the young guys, but they are competitors. They aren't in the mindset that they are there to "help the new guy", they are there to be the guy they have been, and they want to continue to prove they are better than the new guy when it comes to 2 WR sets etc. KA is competing with Rome. He's not mentoring him. He's looking at him and saying, "he's not taking me off the field". Doesn't mean he's going to be a dick to him, but that entire train of thought of "mentoring" is BS.
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Re: Why Rome Odunze is the WR2 in the class

Postby gogobradyarm » Sat May 11, 2024 5:00 pm

FantasyFreak wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 4:37 pm
gogobradyarm wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 3:44 pm
81- wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 3:18 pm Hamstring tightness today
I did say Keenan Allen would be mentoring him....guess Rome is taking this seriously!
I've never bought into the whole, mentoring thing TBH. Guys who are getting on in age will help where needed to the young guys, but they are competitors. They aren't in the mindset that they are there to "help the new guy", they are there to be the guy they have been, and they want to continue to prove they are better than the new guy when it comes to 2 WR sets etc. KA is competing with Rome. He's not mentoring him. He's looking at him and saying, "he's not taking me off the field". Doesn't mean he's going to be a dick to him, but that entire train of thought of "mentoring" is BS.
That is fair and I think healthy/friendly competition is good for growing as a WR. That said, from what i've heard, Rome is likely to be mostly an X, Keenan mostly a slot, and Moore at flanker. Will be interesting to see the snap count change from week to week.
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Re: Why Rome Odunze is the WR2 in the class

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat May 11, 2024 5:03 pm

gogobradyarm wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 5:00 pm
FantasyFreak wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 4:37 pm
gogobradyarm wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 3:44 pm

I did say Keenan Allen would be mentoring him....guess Rome is taking this seriously!
I've never bought into the whole, mentoring thing TBH. Guys who are getting on in age will help where needed to the young guys, but they are competitors. They aren't in the mindset that they are there to "help the new guy", they are there to be the guy they have been, and they want to continue to prove they are better than the new guy when it comes to 2 WR sets etc. KA is competing with Rome. He's not mentoring him. He's looking at him and saying, "he's not taking me off the field". Doesn't mean he's going to be a dick to him, but that entire train of thought of "mentoring" is BS.
That is fair and I think healthy/friendly competition is good for growing as a WR. That said, from what i've heard, Rome is likely to be mostly an X, Keenan mostly a slot, and Moore at flanker. Will be interesting to see the snap count change from week to week.
Makes sense, positionally. Time will tell. I like Odunze, but I have him a tier below MHJ and Nabers, in a tier of his own, just behind them. Worthy of a top 10 pick, I just think the other two are better.
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Re: Why Rome Odunze is the WR2 in the class

Postby blemly » Sat May 11, 2024 6:11 pm

gogobradyarm wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 9:28 am I have 1.02 in my 1QB league, and i'm going Rome Odunze and I think you should too if you're on the fence between Rome and Malik. I feel Rome has a lower risk profile and both a higher ceiling and floor as a WR that can do it all. Here is my comparison of the two...

Odunze
  • A true X, and can line up all over the field
  • Shreds press coverage
  • Physically imposing/contested catch guru (Adams/Hopkins level)
  • Good YAC
  • Excellent hands
  • Prototypical WR build
  • Good character
  • Locked into playing with Caleb Williams and chemistry is apparent, and will learn from two great WR's
  • Player Comp: If Davante Adams and DeAndre Hopkins had a baby
Nabers
  • Bonified slot WR
  • Incredible agility/speed (Tyreek like)
  • YPRR monster
  • LSU's all time receiving leader!
  • YAC Monster
  • Struggles with press coverage
  • Benefited greatly from deep slot targets
  • ~30% of production against safeties/linebackers
  • Modern WR build
  • Questionable character (arrested for bringing a gun to Mardi gras, made a bet publically known at NFL level...)
  • Locked into playing with whoever New York rolls out on Sundays, which is not looking great...will not have a great mentor WR in New York, and is in a huge market with lots of distractions
  • Player Comp: If Tyreek Hill and Percy Harvin had a baby
My Take: I feel these two are close, but I much prefer Odunze stylistically and feel he has a higher floor/higher ceiling and zero off-field concerns. I'm excited for them both, but Odunze seems to be the full package. Also, if it wasn't clear, MHJ is the clear WR1 in this class for me. So yes, i've planted my flag...I hope for some civil conversation to follow :)
I like the write up a lot. If I am picking nits, it is that Nabers is not really a pure slot. He ran out of every position at LSU.
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QB: Williams, Young, Tannehill
RB: Herbert, Akers, Gibson, Wilson, Abanikanda
WR: MHJ, Nabers, Flowers, Pickens, Dotson, Downs, Chark, Boyd, Douglas
TE: Knox
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WR: Hill, Cooper, DK, DJM, D. Samuel, Sutton
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RB: JT, Kamara, Jacobs, Zeke, Singletary, Moss
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