Thanks so much for the podcast pointer, and all the feedback by everyone so far. Recognized the Twitter handle but not the name. Have listened to the dynastytradesin5 for his SF tidbits, but this was a much more efficient use of time. Have listened to a number of the episodes of the DD pod now. He actually addresses several points I brought up and moishetreats responds to.zaner75 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 3:52 pm Scott Connor has a roster construction series on podcast (Destination Dynasty) where he goes though each position for his preferred roster build. All of it is incredible but the QB episode (November 28 - https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/t ... 0587712796) may contain information to help you formulate how you want to address your QB situation.
Looks like I was unclear on my question at #1. Meant to present two options-moishetreats wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 6:35 pmI love these questions. Here are my thoughts.Pullo Vision wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 5:37 am 1- Since paying for two elite QBs is generally VERY expensive, do you prefer to have one tentpole elite QB1 and a lesser QB2 or two decent QB1s? Do you prefer one stud and wing it at SF, or you prefer a good 2nd QB, even if that costs you value at QB1? Something like Mahomes/Goff or Carr/Prescott.
2- What's the value of handcuffing your QB1? Is that a common practice?
3- What kind of value do QBs have who could, year to year, find themselves a backup one year or the starter (though perhaps placeholder) the next? I'm thinking guys like Jimmy G, Wentz, Keenum, Ryan, Brissett. Geno might qualify as well. Are they stashes you hold like RB handcuffs?
4- I seem to recall reading that QBs drafted in the 1st round by the NFL aren't a sure thing and after the 1st, the hit rate is terrible. Even if they get a sustained run of game starts (like Davis Mills), no guarantees after years 1 and 2. Is there an article that goes into that somewhere in the depths of the internet, or is that completely off?
1. Two QB1s. Definitely. Definitely definitely. Two elite-upside QB1s can carry you to a win and cover for other holes. And it's easier to find good productive players at other positions than at QB, especially on the waiver wire.
2. None, IMO. I'd only roster a backup QB if he has standalone value. So, yes on Huntley, Love, etc. No on, say, Purdy before yesterday.
3. Absolutely! I like D'Ernest Johnson as an RB stash for 2023. What's the realistic range of outcomes even if he does get a situation upgrade? Maaaaaybe an RB2, tops? Maybe....? But what if one of those QBs gets a starting gig? If nothing else, they'll command more in a trade.
4. You're on track with this. And I think it's pretty similar at WR, too.
a- elite QB1 and low level SF option, like Mahomes and Goff
OR
b- 2 mid/low level QB1s, like Carr and Prescott
In a DD episode, he said he competed with a Stafford/Rodgers/Cousins trio last year but believes that kind of set up is more risky year to year. I'd suspect he'd prefer the tentpole, even if the 2nd QB is a QB2 type.
3- Great point! Think it's important to understand what QBs would walk into a secured starting job.
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To finally clean up my roster, I started to group QBs. I rarely do this kind of thing-
Tentpole- Hurts, Herbert, Mahomes, Allen, Burrow (5 QBs)
Potential tentpoles- LJax, TLaw, Fields (3)
High end SF platoon options- Kyler, Deshaun, Tua, Dak (4; would rather not roll with them as my #1 QB)
Secondary SF platoon options- Cousins, Carr, Goff, R Wilson (4)
Rookie contract QBs who could be starters this year and/or next- Pickett, Lance, Ridder, Mac Jones, Willis, Love, Z Wilson, Zappe, D Mills, Purdy, Corral, Howell, Trask (13)
Vets who could earn a long term starting job in 2023 FA- D Jones, Geno, Jimmy G, Minshew (4)
2022 starters with significant near term questions- Rodgers, Stafford, Brady, Tannehill, M Ryan (5)
Vets who could earn a 2023 starting job as a bridge/placeholder- Brissett, Heinicke, Wentz, Winston, Dalton, T Huntley, Mayfield, Darnold, Bridgewater, Keenum, C McCoy, M White (12)
Not rosterable- Mariota, Trubisky, Flacco, Rush, Skylar, PJ Walker, Rudolph, Ehlinger, Lock, K Allen, Perkins, Wolford, Rypien, Driskel (14)
In my RB heavy leagues, I try to have one elite back, a group of secondary options who can step in as the #2, and a pipeline of backs like handcuffs/backups/young guys. I've been looking at adopting that process for SF. Ideally, it'd be great to have 2 QBs from the "tentpole" groups, even if one is from the "potential" group. But, the cost of getting two studs makes that unlikely. Using this idea of a QB pipeline, I'm thinking it's more reasonable to target 1 tentpole, 2 SF platoon, 2 from the rookie contract group, and 1 from the 3 groups that start with D Jones and end with M White. So, for example, we're talking a QB room of Herbert, Dak, Carr, Pickett, D Mills, and Brissett. Three certain starters, some youth to groom, and a 6th spot to rotate for potential flip value.
Does this QB pipeline idea sound like a good plan? A pipeline of, say, 5-6 QBs would require a fair number of roster spots and may be stress the roster limit. Thoughts on the groupings?
While I was putting that grouping list together, the DD pod dropped an episode Monday. He focused on the bottom end of the rosterable QBs. He believed McCoy was a cut (I could see him starting for Kyler next year) and that Trubisky, Flacco and Mariota were keeps (I see them as 2023 backups with limited starting opportunity). I don't believe he included rookies like Trask, and I didn't want to either, lol.
All told, before accounting for 2023 rookies, he had 48 QBs as rosterable and I have 50. That's not far off from 4 in a 14 teamer.
Posters who provided how many QBs are rostered in their leagues-
6.166 per team (74 rostered in a 12 team SF league)
4.750 per team (57/12)
4.857 per team (68/14)
4.857 (68 QBs in a 14x40 league, with deep IDP starting reqs and a PS)