Amari ++ / Keenan ++
Amari ++ / Keenan ++
12 team ppr changing to superflex in 2020. Was offered amari Cooper, pick 2.02, early 2019 2nd and 2020 2nd for my Keenan Allen 2019 1st 2020 1st. Feel my team is competitive at the moment so the 1sts would be late. Was thinking about changing the 2020 1st i give up to a 2020 2nd. Thoughts??
TEAM 1
12 team ppr dynasty
QB- M RYAN, M Trubisky, J Rosen, T Bridgewater
RB- D COOK, J HOWARD, N CHUBB, M BREIDA,C Hyde, D Foreman, F Gore, TJ Yeldon, J Samuels
WR- K ALLEN, T HILL, D ADAMS, R WOODS, J Doctson, M Valdes-Scantling, M Hollins, C Rodgers, J Moore, C Patterson
TE- T BURTON, H Henry, C Herndon, A Hooper,
K- R SUCCOP,
D- BEARS, Falcons
2019 picks- Rounds 1, 3
2020 picks- Rounds 1, 2, 3
2018 1st Place (regular season 23-3)
2018 trades
Traded T Eifert and 2019 2nd for Hunter Henry
Traded A Collins and K Stills for J Howard
TEAM 2
12 team, .20 per carry rb, 1 ppr wr, 1.5 ppr te, superflex.
QB- M. Trubisky, D Prescott
, N Foles
RB- A. Kamara, J. Howard,
WR- S. Diggs, K. Golladay, A Humphries,
TE- D. Njoku, H. Henry, I. Thomas
12 team ppr dynasty
QB- M RYAN, M Trubisky, J Rosen, T Bridgewater
RB- D COOK, J HOWARD, N CHUBB, M BREIDA,C Hyde, D Foreman, F Gore, TJ Yeldon, J Samuels
WR- K ALLEN, T HILL, D ADAMS, R WOODS, J Doctson, M Valdes-Scantling, M Hollins, C Rodgers, J Moore, C Patterson
TE- T BURTON, H Henry, C Herndon, A Hooper,
K- R SUCCOP,
D- BEARS, Falcons
2019 picks- Rounds 1, 3
2020 picks- Rounds 1, 2, 3
2018 1st Place (regular season 23-3)
2018 trades
Traded T Eifert and 2019 2nd for Hunter Henry
Traded A Collins and K Stills for J Howard
TEAM 2
12 team, .20 per carry rb, 1 ppr wr, 1.5 ppr te, superflex.
QB- M. Trubisky, D Prescott
, N Foles
RB- A. Kamara, J. Howard,
WR- S. Diggs, K. Golladay, A Humphries,
TE- D. Njoku, H. Henry, I. Thomas
Re: Amari ++ / Keenan ++
Dude what? No. Amari side should be giving the 2019 1st and 2020 1st and you should give up nothing but KA. Even then I'd probably say no because a 2020 1st is so far away its practically worth a mid/late second this year. KA>>>>>>>Cooper and its not even close.
Re: Amari ++ / Keenan ++
Agree, picks are on the wrong side
10Team PPR-QB/RB/WR/WR/TE/PK/flex-DT/DE/DE/LB/LB/LB/CB/CB/S/S/flex
QB- Herbert, Tua
RB- Barkley, Swift, Montgomery, Dobbins, Walker
WR-Adams, ARSB, JWilliams, Godwin, Metcalf, Allen, Kirk, Flowers
TE- Kelce, Goedert
PK
DT- Buckner, Simmons, QWilliams,
DE- Hunter, JBosa, Thibodeaux, JPHillips, Rousseau, Paye, Greenard
LB- Edmunds, Warner, E Kendricks, Wagner, De"Vondre Campbell, Asamoah, Sanders
CB- Moore, Howard, Reed
S- Dugger, Pitre, Thompson
IR Dobbins, Dulcich
Taxi- Kincaid, QJohnston
QB- Herbert, Tua
RB- Barkley, Swift, Montgomery, Dobbins, Walker
WR-Adams, ARSB, JWilliams, Godwin, Metcalf, Allen, Kirk, Flowers
TE- Kelce, Goedert
PK
DT- Buckner, Simmons, QWilliams,
DE- Hunter, JBosa, Thibodeaux, JPHillips, Rousseau, Paye, Greenard
LB- Edmunds, Warner, E Kendricks, Wagner, De"Vondre Campbell, Asamoah, Sanders
CB- Moore, Howard, Reed
S- Dugger, Pitre, Thompson
IR Dobbins, Dulcich
Taxi- Kincaid, QJohnston
Re: Amari ++ / Keenan ++
This is insane.
Keenan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amari.
It's not even close .
Not even in the same stratosphere.
It doesn't matter anymore what people thought Cooper was going to be when he was drafted.
Reality has set in.
Keenan is a stud.
You could flip the picks and I'd still say no without a counter and keep Keenan.
Keenan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amari.
It's not even close .
Not even in the same stratosphere.
It doesn't matter anymore what people thought Cooper was going to be when he was drafted.
Reality has set in.
Keenan is a stud.
You could flip the picks and I'd still say no without a counter and keep Keenan.
TEAM ONE
12 Team PPR League / 5pt passing TDs
2020 & 2021 CHAMPS (2022 Runner Up)
Start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1Flex 1TE 1K 23 Man Active Roster / 3 TAXI SQUAD SPOT
QB - L. Jackson, Cousins
RB - Swift, Ekeler, K. Mitchell, A. Mattison, D. Foreman, C. Rodriguez, E. Mitchell, S, Tucker, J. Wilson
WR - Amon Ra, D. Smith, M. Pittman, DK Metcalf, Jayden Reed, D. Douglas, K. Shakir, D. Wicks, T. Tucker, T. Scott
TE - Kelce, C. Otton, I. Likely, D. Washington
K - B. Aubrey
DEF - Eagles, Dolphins
12 Team PPR League / 5pt passing TDs
2020 & 2021 CHAMPS (2022 Runner Up)
Start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1Flex 1TE 1K 23 Man Active Roster / 3 TAXI SQUAD SPOT
QB - L. Jackson, Cousins
RB - Swift, Ekeler, K. Mitchell, A. Mattison, D. Foreman, C. Rodriguez, E. Mitchell, S, Tucker, J. Wilson
WR - Amon Ra, D. Smith, M. Pittman, DK Metcalf, Jayden Reed, D. Douglas, K. Shakir, D. Wicks, T. Tucker, T. Scott
TE - Kelce, C. Otton, I. Likely, D. Washington
K - B. Aubrey
DEF - Eagles, Dolphins
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Re: Amari ++ / Keenan ++
I disagree, I think talent wise Cooper is as good, but with his abysmal season last year Allen should be worth more. There is a good chance Cooper bounces back with some good numbers this year (he will command the most targets he's ever seen) and there is a good chance with that he will be worth more than Allen a year from now, BUT, I agree Cooper side should be adding.Titans95 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 12:04 pm Dude what? No. Amari side should be giving the 2019 1st and 2020 1st and you should give up nothing but KA. Even then I'd probably say no because a 2020 1st is so far away its practically worth a mid/late second this year. KA>>>>>>>Cooper and its not even close.
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Re: Amari ++ / Keenan ++
Piling on. Allen side by a mile.
12 Team PPR QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/FLEX
25-man Roster: Contract League, 55 year team max
QB: Herbert, Jones
RB: Chubb, Jacobs, Gordon, E. Mitchell, Mostert, Evans, B. Robinson, R. White
WR: Metcalf, McLaurin, Pittman, Hollywood, E. Moore, Juju, G. Wilson, Pickens, Bell, Metchie, Guyton, Hamler
TE: Ertz, Hurst, Albert O
K: Gould, Prater
D:
2023 1st x2, 2023 2nd, 2024 1st, 2024 2nd, 2024 3rd
25-man Roster: Contract League, 55 year team max
QB: Herbert, Jones
RB: Chubb, Jacobs, Gordon, E. Mitchell, Mostert, Evans, B. Robinson, R. White
WR: Metcalf, McLaurin, Pittman, Hollywood, E. Moore, Juju, G. Wilson, Pickens, Bell, Metchie, Guyton, Hamler
TE: Ertz, Hurst, Albert O
K: Gould, Prater
D:
2023 1st x2, 2023 2nd, 2024 1st, 2024 2nd, 2024 3rd
Re: Amari ++ / Keenan ++
Regardless of your belief in Cooper he is the one that has to bounce back while KA is the one thats sitting at #3 WR from last year....you gotta value the stud thats already proven it. If you believe in Cooper and want to move KA from him like you said you better be getting a lot on top because their values are pretty significantly different.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 12:14 pmI disagree, I think talent wise Cooper is as good, but with his abysmal season last year Allen should be worth more. There is a good chance Cooper bounces back with some good numbers this year (he will command the most targets he's ever seen) and there is a good chance with that he will be worth more than Allen a year from now, BUT, I agree Cooper side should be adding.Titans95 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 12:04 pm Dude what? No. Amari side should be giving the 2019 1st and 2020 1st and you should give up nothing but KA. Even then I'd probably say no because a 2020 1st is so far away its practically worth a mid/late second this year. KA>>>>>>>Cooper and its not even close.
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Re: Amari ++ / Keenan ++
I so disagree with this sentiment here. Amari has had as many 1000 yard seasons as Allen and played 2 less seasons. Allen had a great year last year, but he gets tends to get hurt, and I think people are really discounting Coopers abilities because of a bad year. I agree the Cooper side needs to add, but I think people are wrong on the difference in talent. Cooper in a full 2 years plus younger, and I don't think he has peaked yet. I'd totally flip KA for Cooper if I was getting another piece on top.cvbuc wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 12:13 pm This is insane.
Keenan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amari.
It's not even close .
Not even in the same stratosphere.
It doesn't matter anymore what people thought Cooper was going to be when he was drafted.
Reality has set in.
Keenan is a stud.
You could flip the picks and I'd still say no without a counter and keep Keenan.
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Re: Amari ++ / Keenan ++
They aren't though, not by ADP at least. Everyone is entitled to their own evaluations but community averages gauge that while the Allen side should get something added to give him away, it's not going to be a lot on top from most Cooper owners, whether or not you agree. I made a move similar to this, but gave away Allen and Parker, Garcon and a 3rd and got Cooper and Cooks back, so I understand what you are saying, but I would not want to move Cooper and another significant piece for Allen, as I think he's the better long term player. To each their own.Titans95 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 12:19 pmRegardless of your belief in Cooper he is the one that has to bounce back while KA is the one thats sitting at #3 WR from last year....you gotta value the stud thats already proven it. If you believe in Cooper and want to move KA from him like you said you better be getting a lot on top because their values are pretty significantly different.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 12:14 pmI disagree, I think talent wise Cooper is as good, but with his abysmal season last year Allen should be worth more. There is a good chance Cooper bounces back with some good numbers this year (he will command the most targets he's ever seen) and there is a good chance with that he will be worth more than Allen a year from now, BUT, I agree Cooper side should be adding.Titans95 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 12:04 pm Dude what? No. Amari side should be giving the 2019 1st and 2020 1st and you should give up nothing but KA. Even then I'd probably say no because a 2020 1st is so far away its practically worth a mid/late second this year. KA>>>>>>>Cooper and its not even close.
Janiel Dones Truther
Foodie. Well done steak goes in the trash.
Habaneros make the best tasting hot sauce. Throwing a bunch of random stuff on top of fries doesn't mean you call it "poutine".
Foodie. Well done steak goes in the trash.
Habaneros make the best tasting hot sauce. Throwing a bunch of random stuff on top of fries doesn't mean you call it "poutine".
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Re: Amari ++ / Keenan ++
i dont like anything about this deal for you and dont understand what appeals to you
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram
2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)
team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,
1,2,3,3,5
team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson
Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram
2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)
team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,
1,2,3,3,5
team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson
Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp
Re: Amari ++ / Keenan ++
I disagree - There is NOT a "good" chance that Cooper will be worth more next year. Based on what?FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 12:14 pmI disagree, I think talent wise Cooper is as good, but with his abysmal season last year Allen should be worth more. There is a good chance Cooper bounces back with some good numbers this year (he will command the most targets he's ever seen) and there is a good chance with that he will be worth more than Allen a year from now, BUT, I agree Cooper side should be adding.Titans95 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 12:04 pm Dude what? No. Amari side should be giving the 2019 1st and 2020 1st and you should give up nothing but KA. Even then I'd probably say no because a 2020 1st is so far away its practically worth a mid/late second this year. KA>>>>>>>Cooper and its not even close.
Cooper would have to have an insanely great career year just to reach Keenan's level.
He has not shown he is capable of sustaining that level over a full season.
TEAM ONE
12 Team PPR League / 5pt passing TDs
2020 & 2021 CHAMPS (2022 Runner Up)
Start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1Flex 1TE 1K 23 Man Active Roster / 3 TAXI SQUAD SPOT
QB - L. Jackson, Cousins
RB - Swift, Ekeler, K. Mitchell, A. Mattison, D. Foreman, C. Rodriguez, E. Mitchell, S, Tucker, J. Wilson
WR - Amon Ra, D. Smith, M. Pittman, DK Metcalf, Jayden Reed, D. Douglas, K. Shakir, D. Wicks, T. Tucker, T. Scott
TE - Kelce, C. Otton, I. Likely, D. Washington
K - B. Aubrey
DEF - Eagles, Dolphins
12 Team PPR League / 5pt passing TDs
2020 & 2021 CHAMPS (2022 Runner Up)
Start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1Flex 1TE 1K 23 Man Active Roster / 3 TAXI SQUAD SPOT
QB - L. Jackson, Cousins
RB - Swift, Ekeler, K. Mitchell, A. Mattison, D. Foreman, C. Rodriguez, E. Mitchell, S, Tucker, J. Wilson
WR - Amon Ra, D. Smith, M. Pittman, DK Metcalf, Jayden Reed, D. Douglas, K. Shakir, D. Wicks, T. Tucker, T. Scott
TE - Kelce, C. Otton, I. Likely, D. Washington
K - B. Aubrey
DEF - Eagles, Dolphins
Re: Amari ++ / Keenan ++
BigBawseRoss wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 12:26 pm i dont like anything about this deal for you and dont understand what appeals to you
This x1000
10-team Superflex, 0.5 PPR, 15-man rosters, pseudo-dynasty
Keep any number of players (0-15), lose same number of draft picks
2010, 2015, 2020 - , 2013 -
QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, SF, FLEX, D/ST
QB: Dak, Watson
RB: Swift, Robinson Jr, Singletary, Brown, Hubbard, Zeus, Herbert
WR: Wilson, Olave, Pickens, Aiyuk
TE: Pitts, LaPorta
D/ST:
Keep any number of players (0-15), lose same number of draft picks
2010, 2015, 2020 - , 2013 -
QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, SF, FLEX, D/ST
QB: Dak, Watson
RB: Swift, Robinson Jr, Singletary, Brown, Hubbard, Zeus, Herbert
WR: Wilson, Olave, Pickens, Aiyuk
TE: Pitts, LaPorta
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Re: Amari ++ / Keenan ++
Decline
12 team PPR SuperFlex start 9 (Same for each team)
TM1
QB: Rodgers, Rivers, Dak, Dalton, Smith
RB: Zeke, CMC, Jacobs, Chubb, Gore, Dearnest
WR: Davante Adams, Tyreek, Fuller, Aj Brown, AB, MVS, Fulgham, Ward, Fitz, Beasley, amendola, zaccheus
TE: Ertz, Engram, Fells
TM2
QB: Rodgers, Baker, Stafford, Bridgewater
RB:Kamara, Chubb, Hunt, Singletary
WR:M Evans,D Adams,Kupp, AJ brown, lockett, sanders,miller, Patrick, Robinson, Hamilton, Lasley, D.Robinson, Trey Quinn, Scantling, agholor
TE: Kelce, Rudolph, Irv smith, gronk, Burton
TM1
QB: Rodgers, Rivers, Dak, Dalton, Smith
RB: Zeke, CMC, Jacobs, Chubb, Gore, Dearnest
WR: Davante Adams, Tyreek, Fuller, Aj Brown, AB, MVS, Fulgham, Ward, Fitz, Beasley, amendola, zaccheus
TE: Ertz, Engram, Fells
TM2
QB: Rodgers, Baker, Stafford, Bridgewater
RB:Kamara, Chubb, Hunt, Singletary
WR:M Evans,D Adams,Kupp, AJ brown, lockett, sanders,miller, Patrick, Robinson, Hamilton, Lasley, D.Robinson, Trey Quinn, Scantling, agholor
TE: Kelce, Rudolph, Irv smith, gronk, Burton
Re: Amari ++ / Keenan ++
I don't think KA and Cooper are as far apart as some on here but the picks are definitely on the wrong side given the current value of each player. Plus your team is decent but I don't think it is quite ready to be a contender, so your 2019 1st could be a decent pick, plus you are giving up your 2020 1st when your league is switching to superflex, so 1st will be more valuable in 2020. Definitely do not make this trade.
Team 1
12 team Non PPR
1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 3Flex
QB Goff Geno Pickett
RB Bijan CMC Chubb JWill Kendre
WR Pittman Diontae Mooney Juju Hyatt Nico
TE Waller Schultz
Team 2
12 team SF PPR RB 0.5, WR 1, TE 1.5
1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 3Flex
QB Herbert Hurts Darnold Mac Love
RB Saquon Chubb Mixon Dillon
WR Kupp Amari Ridley Juju Cooks Diontae
TE Kittle Hock
Team 3
12 Team Non PPR
QB 2RB 2WR TE 3Flex 1SF
QB Herbert Love Ridder Lance
RB CBrown Chandler
WR Olave CWatson EMoore Nico
TE Pitts
Team 4
12 Team PPR
QB 2RB 2WR TE 3Flex
QB Herbert
RB JT CMC Breece Mixon Henry
WR AJB Metcalf Kupp Diontae Juju EMoore
TE Kittle Pat
Team 5
Bestball 12 Team
SF PPR RB 0.5, WR 1, TE 1.5
1QB 2RB 2WR TE 4Flex 1SF
QB Allen Pickett Carr Baker
RB CMC Saquon Swift
WR AJB Deebo Ridley Sutton
TE Kittle Fant
Team 6
Bestball 12 Team
PPR RB 0.5, WR 1, TE 1.5
QB RB WR TE 7Flex 1SF
QB Watson Herbert TLaw
RB Saquan JT Mixon ETN
WR Chase DK DJM Juju
TE Pitts Kittle
12 team Non PPR
1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 3Flex
QB Goff Geno Pickett
RB Bijan CMC Chubb JWill Kendre
WR Pittman Diontae Mooney Juju Hyatt Nico
TE Waller Schultz
Team 2
12 team SF PPR RB 0.5, WR 1, TE 1.5
1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 3Flex
QB Herbert Hurts Darnold Mac Love
RB Saquon Chubb Mixon Dillon
WR Kupp Amari Ridley Juju Cooks Diontae
TE Kittle Hock
Team 3
12 Team Non PPR
QB 2RB 2WR TE 3Flex 1SF
QB Herbert Love Ridder Lance
RB CBrown Chandler
WR Olave CWatson EMoore Nico
TE Pitts
Team 4
12 Team PPR
QB 2RB 2WR TE 3Flex
QB Herbert
RB JT CMC Breece Mixon Henry
WR AJB Metcalf Kupp Diontae Juju EMoore
TE Kittle Pat
Team 5
Bestball 12 Team
SF PPR RB 0.5, WR 1, TE 1.5
1QB 2RB 2WR TE 4Flex 1SF
QB Allen Pickett Carr Baker
RB CMC Saquon Swift
WR AJB Deebo Ridley Sutton
TE Kittle Fant
Team 6
Bestball 12 Team
PPR RB 0.5, WR 1, TE 1.5
QB RB WR TE 7Flex 1SF
QB Watson Herbert TLaw
RB Saquan JT Mixon ETN
WR Chase DK DJM Juju
TE Pitts Kittle
Re: Amari ++ / Keenan ++
I don't even know what's going on here. Someone wants to add two 1sts to Keenan to get Amari. And there's another poster arguing that they should be close in value?
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