I'm new to dynasty and I'm struggling with evaluating players' value 'long-term' and would appreciate any input/advice.
I've been offered:
Melvin Gordon, Devonta Freeman and Dez Bryant for
Deandre Hopkins and Jay Ajayi
To give you some perspective my WR depth is:
D.Hopkins/A.Brown/A. Green/M. Crabtree/D. Parker/E. Sanders/J. Brown/T. Lockett (the remaining WRs are basically all cuttable)
For RB depth is:
J. Aajyi/L. Miller/A. Abdullah/T. Montgomery/I. Crowell/D. Marting (the remains RBs are basically all cuttable)
Let me know if you think this is a solid trade. I'm hesitant to move Nuk but I know my RB depth is thin.
Thanks!
D.Hopkins/J. Ajayi for M.Gordon/D.Freeman/D.Bryant?
Re: D.Hopkins/J. Ajayi for M.Gordon/D.Freeman/D.Bryant?
Hopkins alone is worth way more, no way I do this deal. Not a fan of any of the players you would be receiving.
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Re: D.Hopkins/J. Ajayi for M.Gordon/D.Freeman/D.Bryant?
Hopkins is definitely worth more than this.
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Re: D.Hopkins/J. Ajayi for M.Gordon/D.Freeman/D.Bryant?
what other WRs does he have besides Dez? i think if i were getting a younger better wr i would be interested
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram
2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)
team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,
1,2,3,3,5
team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson
Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram
2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)
team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,
1,2,3,3,5
team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson
Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp
Re: D.Hopkins/J. Ajayi for M.Gordon/D.Freeman/D.Bryant?
Pass. Even if this was close, you desperately need Hopkins youth.
TEAM 1: 12 team league. 1.0 PPR WR/TE 0.5 PPR RB
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 2Flex, 1TE, 1DST
QBs- Lamar, Wentz
RBs- Javonte,Sanders, Michel,Howard,JJackson,JWilson
WRs- DJM,McLaurin,Higgins,DeVonta Smith,Jeudy, OBJ,Bateman,Treadwell,Crowder
TEs- Fant, Muth,Irv Smith
1.07,1.11,3.09
TEAM 2: 12 team league. 0.1 ppc 0.5 ppr. TE 1 ppr
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 2Flex, 1TE,
QBs-Watson, Davis, Huntley
RBs- Javonte,Akers, ETN,Gore,Dallas
WRs- McClaurin,DJM,Godwin,Diontae,MarquiseBr, Mooney,Van Jefferson,Collins,Atwell
TEs- Hock, Kmet,Trautman,AlbertO
1.04, 2.04, 4.04
TEAM 3: 12 team league. 0.5 ppr, 0.5/fd
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 2WRs, 2Flex, 1TE,
QBs- Lamar,Stafford
RBs- JT, Fournette, DHarris,Chuba,Collins,Gaskin,DHarris,Penny,Murray, Snell
WRs- Chase, DJM, Allen, Bateman, Julio, ElijahM, Mims, Crowder
TEs- Waller, Morneau,Njoku
2022 1st, 2nd (2), 3rd (2)
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 2Flex, 1TE, 1DST
QBs- Lamar, Wentz
RBs- Javonte,Sanders, Michel,Howard,JJackson,JWilson
WRs- DJM,McLaurin,Higgins,DeVonta Smith,Jeudy, OBJ,Bateman,Treadwell,Crowder
TEs- Fant, Muth,Irv Smith
1.07,1.11,3.09
TEAM 2: 12 team league. 0.1 ppc 0.5 ppr. TE 1 ppr
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 2Flex, 1TE,
QBs-Watson, Davis, Huntley
RBs- Javonte,Akers, ETN,Gore,Dallas
WRs- McClaurin,DJM,Godwin,Diontae,MarquiseBr, Mooney,Van Jefferson,Collins,Atwell
TEs- Hock, Kmet,Trautman,AlbertO
1.04, 2.04, 4.04
TEAM 3: 12 team league. 0.5 ppr, 0.5/fd
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 2WRs, 2Flex, 1TE,
QBs- Lamar,Stafford
RBs- JT, Fournette, DHarris,Chuba,Collins,Gaskin,DHarris,Penny,Murray, Snell
WRs- Chase, DJM, Allen, Bateman, Julio, ElijahM, Mims, Crowder
TEs- Waller, Morneau,Njoku
2022 1st, 2nd (2), 3rd (2)
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Re: D.Hopkins/J. Ajayi for M.Gordon/D.Freeman/D.Bryant?
I don’t think Hopkins is worth way more than the entire other side, as some are saying. Nuk is anywhere from 1.01 to 1.06 in a startup, depending on who you ask. Gordon and Freeman are both top 12-20 players, depending on who you ask. Ajayi and Dez both have depressed value right now, but Ajayi is probably worth more.
I would still go with Hopkins/Ajayi. It’s not a bad starting offer. See what else the other owner is willing to add. You need help at RB for sure, but need to keep some WR youth too.
Edit: this thread provides some support to my argument. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=156371
I would still go with Hopkins/Ajayi. It’s not a bad starting offer. See what else the other owner is willing to add. You need help at RB for sure, but need to keep some WR youth too.
Edit: this thread provides some support to my argument. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=156371
Re: D.Hopkins/J. Ajayi for M.Gordon/D.Freeman/D.Bryant?
Gordon and Freeman are also relatively young - 25 and 26 when the season begins, respectively - and will likely combine for more points than Hopkins/Ajayi while rounding out his roster, and will be around for the next handful of years. Dez seems like an old name-brand throw-in, but could be a serviceable WR2/3, Flex, or bye week/injury replacement.
I like this for deal for your team.
I like this for deal for your team.
10-team Superflex, 0.5 PPR, 15-man rosters, pseudo-dynasty
Keep any number of players (0-15), lose same number of draft picks
2010, 2015, 2020 - , 2013 -
QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, SF, FLEX, D/ST
QB: Dak, Watson
RB: Swift, Robinson Jr, Singletary, Brown, Hubbard, Zeus, Herbert
WR: Wilson, Olave, Pickens, Aiyuk
TE: Pitts, LaPorta
D/ST:
Keep any number of players (0-15), lose same number of draft picks
2010, 2015, 2020 - , 2013 -
QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, SF, FLEX, D/ST
QB: Dak, Watson
RB: Swift, Robinson Jr, Singletary, Brown, Hubbard, Zeus, Herbert
WR: Wilson, Olave, Pickens, Aiyuk
TE: Pitts, LaPorta
D/ST:
Re: D.Hopkins/J. Ajayi for M.Gordon/D.Freeman/D.Bryant?
Pass. Hopkins is the 2nd best player in all of dynasty. He's a hold and build around
I would look to move AJG for a lesser WR and an RB2 upgrade. That seems a better move with your team
I would look to move AJG for a lesser WR and an RB2 upgrade. That seems a better move with your team
Team 1- 10 team ppr, 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flx, 1D, 1K
Finishes: 6th, 6th, 1st, 5th, 6th, 9th
QB: Lamar Jackson, Purdy
RB: Bijan, Achane, Dobbins, Algier, trash
WR: Nabers, Tank Dell, Addison, Shaheed, Thomas Jr. McConkey, K Coleman, JSN, QJ, S Jameson Williams, Corley, Polk, waiver trash
TE: Hockenson, Juwan, Musgrave, Theo Johnson
D/K: Patriots, Vikings, Saints, Dicker
picks-
2025 1,1,1,1,2,3,4,5
2026- 1,2,2,3,4,5
team 2- 12 team SF, .5PPR, .5TE boost, 1QB, 1SF, 2 RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
Finishes: 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd
QB: Ljax, GenoD Jones, Dobbs
RB: CMC, Stevenson, A Jones, Chubb, A Mattison, D cook, Perine, Mckinnon,
WR:Tyreek, Diggs, C Kupp, D Adams, Keenan Allen, Lockett, Gallup, A Lazard, Hodgins
TE: Kelce, LaPorta, Irv Smith,
No picks until 2027
Finishes: 6th, 6th, 1st, 5th, 6th, 9th
QB: Lamar Jackson, Purdy
RB: Bijan, Achane, Dobbins, Algier, trash
WR: Nabers, Tank Dell, Addison, Shaheed, Thomas Jr. McConkey, K Coleman, JSN, QJ, S Jameson Williams, Corley, Polk, waiver trash
TE: Hockenson, Juwan, Musgrave, Theo Johnson
D/K: Patriots, Vikings, Saints, Dicker
picks-
2025 1,1,1,1,2,3,4,5
2026- 1,2,2,3,4,5
team 2- 12 team SF, .5PPR, .5TE boost, 1QB, 1SF, 2 RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
Finishes: 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd
QB: Ljax, GenoD Jones, Dobbs
RB: CMC, Stevenson, A Jones, Chubb, A Mattison, D cook, Perine, Mckinnon,
WR:Tyreek, Diggs, C Kupp, D Adams, Keenan Allen, Lockett, Gallup, A Lazard, Hodgins
TE: Kelce, LaPorta, Irv Smith,
No picks until 2027
Re: D.Hopkins/J. Ajayi for M.Gordon/D.Freeman/D.Bryant?
Agree with this. I would pass but I like Gordon and Freeman and don’t think this is a terrible offer.Bisquiteen Trisket wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:49 am I don’t think Hopkins is worth way more than the entire other side, as some are saying. Nuk is anywhere from 1.01 to 1.06 in a startup, depending on who you ask. Gordon and Freeman are both top 12-20 players, depending on who you ask. Ajayi and Dez both have depressed value right now, but Ajayi is probably worth more.
I would still go with Hopkins/Ajayi. It’s not a bad starting offer. See what else the other owner is willing to add. You need help at RB for sure, but need to keep some WR youth too.
Edit: this thread provides some support to my argument. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=156371
Re: D.Hopkins/J. Ajayi for M.Gordon/D.Freeman/D.Bryant?
I agree that this is closer than some are making it, but I'd still keep Hopkins. Your depth at WR is ok, but would be below average if you lost Hopkins. I like Gordon and Freeman, but you should be able to get more.
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Re: D.Hopkins/J. Ajayi for M.Gordon/D.Freeman/D.Bryant?
Hopkins is a tier one player. Rule of thumb is, don't trade tier one players unless you're getting a tier one player in return, or you're getting so much value that you can't possibly turn it down. This isn't a terrible offer, but not one you should consider. Keep Hopkins until someone blows you away with an offer
10 Man IDP, .75 ppr, Big Play Bonus, TE Prem, 2 QB, 1-3 RB, 2-4 WR, 2 TE, 2 DT, 2 DE, 3 LB, 4 DB, 34 Keepers (17 off - 17 IDP)
QB: Watson, Lawrence, Tannehill, Fitzmagic
RB: Jacobs, Javonte, Drake, Mack
WR: Thomas, DJ Moore, Mike Williams, Golladay, Mooney, Kirk, Shepard, Parker
TE: Kittle, Ito Smith, Ebron, Bryant, Seals-Jones
DT: Simmons, Cox, Oliver, Vea
DL: Bosa, Hunter, Heyward, Greenard, Odeyingbo
LB: Watt, White, Cunningham, Kirksey
DB: Collins, Duggar, J Reid, Clark, Edmunds
12 Man, 1 ppr, 1 QB, 1-3 RB, 1-3 WR, 1 TE
QB: Tua, Jameis, Cam, Taysom
RB: Taylor, Javonte, CEH
WR: Jefferson, Nuk, Diontae, Juju, Shepard, Mooney, Robby Anderson
TE: Henry, Gesicki, Brevin, Cook
12 Man, 1 ppr, 1 QB, 1-3 RB, 1-3 WR, 1 TE
QB: Russ, Matty Ice, Tannehill
RB: CMC, Dobbins, Sanders. Scott, Mack
WR: Nuk, Keenan, Mooney, Patrick, Collins, Dyami
TE: Andrews, Schultz, Brevin, Akins
QB: Watson, Lawrence, Tannehill, Fitzmagic
RB: Jacobs, Javonte, Drake, Mack
WR: Thomas, DJ Moore, Mike Williams, Golladay, Mooney, Kirk, Shepard, Parker
TE: Kittle, Ito Smith, Ebron, Bryant, Seals-Jones
DT: Simmons, Cox, Oliver, Vea
DL: Bosa, Hunter, Heyward, Greenard, Odeyingbo
LB: Watt, White, Cunningham, Kirksey
DB: Collins, Duggar, J Reid, Clark, Edmunds
12 Man, 1 ppr, 1 QB, 1-3 RB, 1-3 WR, 1 TE
QB: Tua, Jameis, Cam, Taysom
RB: Taylor, Javonte, CEH
WR: Jefferson, Nuk, Diontae, Juju, Shepard, Mooney, Robby Anderson
TE: Henry, Gesicki, Brevin, Cook
12 Man, 1 ppr, 1 QB, 1-3 RB, 1-3 WR, 1 TE
QB: Russ, Matty Ice, Tannehill
RB: CMC, Dobbins, Sanders. Scott, Mack
WR: Nuk, Keenan, Mooney, Patrick, Collins, Dyami
TE: Andrews, Schultz, Brevin, Akins
Re: D.Hopkins/J. Ajayi for M.Gordon/D.Freeman/D.Bryant?
I might do the deal given your strength at receiver but not for Dez. I would want a high 1st next year instead of Dez or I pass (projected). Next years draft is rich in WR talent - N'Keal Harry, Metcalf, etc. I like the upside of Gordon, Freeman is solid and Ajayi is in a rotation with a knee injury waiting to happen
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Re: D.Hopkins/J. Ajayi for M.Gordon/D.Freeman/D.Bryant?
Gross
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QB: TLaw/Love/Penix/JimmyG
RB: Zeke/Ford
WR: StBrown/Waddle/Flowers/Kirk/Hopkins
TE: Kelce/McBride/Knox
12 Team-SuperFlex-1.0 PPR
QB: Lamar/Watson/Geno
RB: Bijan/JT/Kamara/Chuba
WR: AJB/London/Diggs/Kirk/Palmer
TE: Ferguson
QB: TLaw/Love/Penix/JimmyG
RB: Zeke/Ford
WR: StBrown/Waddle/Flowers/Kirk/Hopkins
TE: Kelce/McBride/Knox
12 Team-SuperFlex-1.0 PPR
QB: Lamar/Watson/Geno
RB: Bijan/JT/Kamara/Chuba
WR: AJB/London/Diggs/Kirk/Palmer
TE: Ferguson
Re: D.Hopkins/J. Ajayi for M.Gordon/D.Freeman/D.Bryant?
Keep Hopkins.
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LJax, Burrow, Carr, Huntley, Heinicke, Cunningham
Adams, Kupp, Deebo, M Brown, AD, Pearsall, Wiliams, C Samuel, Palmer, E. Moore, Hodgins, Hutchinson
CMC, Barkley, Mostert, Moss, Dillon, Kelley, Tucker
Andrews, Kmet, Jordan, Higbee
PPR 1Q/3W/2R/1T/1SF/2F
Mahomes, Purdy, Dalton, Henicke, Trask, Zappe
Henry, Pacheco, Robinson, Wilson, Ford, Chandler, Deuce
Hill, Kupp, Shaheed, Toney, Lazard, Metchie, Mingo, Slayton, Shenault, Atwell, Hutchinson
Pitts, Waller, Washington
PPR Best Ball Dynasty SF +.5TEP
Stroud, Caleb, Daniels, Cousins
Walker, J Cook, Miller, Spears, Rodriguez, Watson
St. Brown, MHJ, Aiyuk, DJ Moore, London, Odunze, Doubs, Pearsall, Baker, Washington, Cowing, Thrash, Flournoy
Kincaid, Dulcich, Fant, Schoonmaker, Hurst
LJax, Burrow, Carr, Huntley, Heinicke, Cunningham
Adams, Kupp, Deebo, M Brown, AD, Pearsall, Wiliams, C Samuel, Palmer, E. Moore, Hodgins, Hutchinson
CMC, Barkley, Mostert, Moss, Dillon, Kelley, Tucker
Andrews, Kmet, Jordan, Higbee
PPR 1Q/3W/2R/1T/1SF/2F
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Henry, Pacheco, Robinson, Wilson, Ford, Chandler, Deuce
Hill, Kupp, Shaheed, Toney, Lazard, Metchie, Mingo, Slayton, Shenault, Atwell, Hutchinson
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Walker, J Cook, Miller, Spears, Rodriguez, Watson
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