DGB or Coleman?

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DGB or Coleman?

Postby joekuhns11 » Mon May 18, 2015 9:13 am

Team #1 in my signature. I hold picks 1.02, 1.08, 2.03 in our 10 team league.

I'm thinking about drafting Cooper @ 1.02, then i'm torn with my 1.08 pick. Are Coleman & DGB close enough in BPA that i should draft based on need. If so, i would take Coleman @ 1.08 and wait and see @ 2.03. Also, i am not sure who will be better between Abdullah & Coleman

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QB - Hurts, Watson, Penix
RB - Hall, Jacobs, Mixon, Tyrone Tracey
WR - Tyreek, Jefferson, Chase, Jayden Reed, Cooper, Brian Thomas, Brendan Rice, Mooney
TE - Goedert, Kmet


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Re: DGB or Coleman?

Postby startstopping » Mon May 18, 2015 9:17 am

Between DGB and Coleman I like DGB. Although it likely at this time next year Coleman will be more valuable than DGB. DGB is a long term investment. However at 1.8 if I'm you i am crapping my pants to get abdullah. If you have not watched him go to draft breakdown and watch his tape. He is easily my RB3 and I'm thinking about moving him above Gordon on my board.

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Re: DGB or Coleman?

Postby grooner » Mon May 18, 2015 9:17 am

I think Coleman and dgb are close enough that taking either would be fine. Based on yor team Coleman would probably be the better pick (or yeldon/Abdullah)

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Re: DGB or Coleman?

Postby AresGodOWar » Mon May 18, 2015 10:39 am

I like Coleman a lot , I have Abdullah but if Coleman was there I would have took him
(1) 12 Team, QB 1.5 PPRushingYard, TE 1.5 PPR
QB-K.Murray, B.Mayfield, D.Watson
RB-R.White, D.Swift
WR-T.Hill, D.Samuel, M.Pittman, M.Brown, J.Jeudy, J.Addison, R.Moore, J.Tolbert
TE-T.McBride, D.Njoku

(2) 12 Team, 1 PPR
QB-J.Hurts, B.Purdy
RB-J.Mixon, I.Pacheco, R.White A.Mattison, C.Akers
WR-T.Hill, M.Brown, C.Olave, DJ.Moore J.Hyatt
TE-M.Andrews, J.Ferguson

(3) 12 Team, .15 PPCarry, WR 1.25 PPR, TE 2 PPR
QB-L.Jackson, G.Smith
RB-J.Jacobs, I.Pacheco, Z.White, D.Laube
WR-C.Lamb, P.Nacua, AJ.Brown, M.Pittman, X.Legette
TE-D.Njoku, D.Waller

(4) 14 Team SF, .2 PPCarry, TE 1.65 PPR
QB-J.Allen, B.Mayfield, G.Smith
RB-C.McCaffery, J.Mixon, J.Jacobs, C.Hubbard
WR-D.Smith, J.Addison, T.McLaurin, M.Brown, C.Samuel, B.Cooks
TE-J.Ferguson, T.Conklin

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Re: DGB or Coleman?

Postby jessup45 » Mon May 18, 2015 10:40 am

I like DGB's upside more which is why I would take him over Coleman.
Team 1
12 Teams - .5 pt. PPR
QB: Newton, A. Dalton, Foles
RB: Connor, Fournette, Freeman , McCoy, G. Edwards, Clement, C. Warren
WR: A. Brown, K. Allen, Hilton, Crabtree, R. Foster, M. Harris, C. Patterson, C. Conley
TE: Kelce , C. Herndon, D. Walker

Team 2
16 Teams - PPR
QB: Ryan, Roethlisberger, Foles
RB: Connor, Bell , Lindsay, McCoy, Lynch, Smallwood, P. Barber, I. Smith, Bibbs
WR: Thielen, Juju, D. Adams, Jeffrey, S. Roberts, T. Sharpe, A. Callaway, M. Harris
TE: Ebron, Cook, Eifert, Dickson

Team 3
12 Teams - TE Premium PPR (limited roster 16/20)
QB: Rogers
RB: J. Howard, Chubb, C. Thompson, RoJo, P. Barber
WR: Hilton, Edelman, R. Anderson M. Gallup, C. Kirk, J. Crowder, M. Harris
TE: Njoku

Team 4
12 Team - PPR (1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 3Flex)
QB: Watson,
RB: Zeke, Guice, Michel, P. Barber, Ballage, C.J. Anderson
WR: Hopkins, Golladay, Fitzy, Z. Jones, T. Benjamin, C. Coleman, C. Conley, B. Perriman, S. Roberts
TE: Engram, Eifert

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Re: DGB or Coleman?

Postby theone » Mon May 18, 2015 10:42 am

I have DGB by a fairly large margin. He to me is kind of on a tier by himself. Barring the off the field stuff, I do not think there is any doubt he would be among the top tier of fantasy players drafted. His situation is kind of uncertain with new QB, last seasons poor offense, etc. I do not believe he is on the substance abuse list where he can be randomly tested at any time, but I might be wrong. We have seen where special talents like Hopkins, Josh Gordon, etc. can thrive fantasy wise even with a poor to mediocre quarterback situation. I do not think the situation in Atlanta is as good a everyone does. I like Coleman and have little doubt that he will be their starting RB. We have not seen Atlanta as being a breeding ground for RB1 types though. Their offense relies too much on Ryan and the passing game for the RB to consistently put up RB1 numbers. That is what I would need for me to take a RB over a WR with the talents of DGB.
Team 1 - 12 Team, 25 Players + 5 TS, 2 IR, PPR, 4TD Passing
2 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, Year1
QB - A.Smith, RG3, Sanchez, Daniel, Hundley, Grayson, Hack, Brissett
RB - Miller, Zeke, L. Murray, Alf, Ellington, Blue, D.Washington, K. Robinson
WR - OBJ, Tate, Hurns, DJax, DGB, Coleman
TE - Thomas, Tye, Henry


Team 2 - 16 Team, 24 Players + 4 TS, 2 IR, PPR, TE 1.5 PPR, 5TD Passing
1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 Flex, 1 TE, Year2 2015 Champion
QB - Dalton, Cutler
RB - Hill, B.Powell, K.Robinson, Ellington, T.Cadet, Oliver, Ervin
WR - Dez, B. Marshall, Snead, DGB, DHB, P.Richardson, Givens, Boyd, Peake, R. Louis
TE - Gronk, J. Reed, Barnidge, Heuerman, N.Paul,

Team 3 - 12 Team, 24 Players, RSO Salary Cap League, 2 IR, PPR, 6TD Passing
1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 Flex, 1 TE, Year2 2015 Champion
QB - Wentz
RB - Hill, D.Johnson, Ivory, D.Robinson
WR - Alshon, Maclin, Decker, J.Matthews, Tate, B.Miller
TE - Eifert, J. Reed

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Re: DGB or Coleman?

Postby sloth8u » Mon May 18, 2015 10:53 am

dgb is a project with huge upside. that may or may not work out. i will be looking at him in that range for some teams, but i also dont expect a ton right out of the gate, if ever. most who entertain the thought of drafting him, arent really aware that it isnt likely that he comes in and makes a huge difference. its more likely that it takes some time. he hasnt played competitively in such a long time, and has used his athletic ability to play the position when he did play. there's going to be a huge learning curve for him. there's no problem with looking at him with 8, but know that he is far from certain to be a difference maker now or in the future. lets not forget the off the field stuff that comes along with drafting him. it wont be those things that make me lean away, but more the fact that he hasnt played in awhile.

knowing that your likely to get cooper at 2, i would probably go in a different direction than dgb at 8. maybe this year you shoot for safe picks rather than shoot for the fences.

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Re: DGB or Coleman?

Postby AresGodOWar » Mon May 18, 2015 10:56 am

Maybe its me but I don't see anything that special from DGB he isn't that fast , Don't know where he is going on the field and hasn't played in over a year , Has crazy off field issues ... I like D.Waller as much as him both 6'6 230ish lbs. , Waller has good hands just didn't get the chance in college like D.T he was on the same rush offence ...

WRs are a dime a dozen but there aren't many 3 down backs in the NFL anymore ..
(1) 12 Team, QB 1.5 PPRushingYard, TE 1.5 PPR
QB-K.Murray, B.Mayfield, D.Watson
RB-R.White, D.Swift
WR-T.Hill, D.Samuel, M.Pittman, M.Brown, J.Jeudy, J.Addison, R.Moore, J.Tolbert
TE-T.McBride, D.Njoku

(2) 12 Team, 1 PPR
QB-J.Hurts, B.Purdy
RB-J.Mixon, I.Pacheco, R.White A.Mattison, C.Akers
WR-T.Hill, M.Brown, C.Olave, DJ.Moore J.Hyatt
TE-M.Andrews, J.Ferguson

(3) 12 Team, .15 PPCarry, WR 1.25 PPR, TE 2 PPR
QB-L.Jackson, G.Smith
RB-J.Jacobs, I.Pacheco, Z.White, D.Laube
WR-C.Lamb, P.Nacua, AJ.Brown, M.Pittman, X.Legette
TE-D.Njoku, D.Waller

(4) 14 Team SF, .2 PPCarry, TE 1.65 PPR
QB-J.Allen, B.Mayfield, G.Smith
RB-C.McCaffery, J.Mixon, J.Jacobs, C.Hubbard
WR-D.Smith, J.Addison, T.McLaurin, M.Brown, C.Samuel, B.Cooks
TE-J.Ferguson, T.Conklin

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Re: DGB or Coleman?

Postby Space Cowboy » Mon May 18, 2015 11:02 am

DGB has AJ Green potential........

With that said, I havent studied Coleman all that much but the value is tremendous with DGB.

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Re: DGB or Coleman?

Postby AresGodOWar » Mon May 18, 2015 11:09 am

Space Cowboy wrote:DGB has AJ Green potential........

With that said, I havent studied Coleman all that much but the value is tremendous with DGB.
Anyone has A.J Green potential if they get 180 targets lol ... I just don't see what DGB did that was so great to give him all this hype , because he was a star coming out of high school when he was 15 years old it's not like he did that great in college ?
(1) 12 Team, QB 1.5 PPRushingYard, TE 1.5 PPR
QB-K.Murray, B.Mayfield, D.Watson
RB-R.White, D.Swift
WR-T.Hill, D.Samuel, M.Pittman, M.Brown, J.Jeudy, J.Addison, R.Moore, J.Tolbert
TE-T.McBride, D.Njoku

(2) 12 Team, 1 PPR
QB-J.Hurts, B.Purdy
RB-J.Mixon, I.Pacheco, R.White A.Mattison, C.Akers
WR-T.Hill, M.Brown, C.Olave, DJ.Moore J.Hyatt
TE-M.Andrews, J.Ferguson

(3) 12 Team, .15 PPCarry, WR 1.25 PPR, TE 2 PPR
QB-L.Jackson, G.Smith
RB-J.Jacobs, I.Pacheco, Z.White, D.Laube
WR-C.Lamb, P.Nacua, AJ.Brown, M.Pittman, X.Legette
TE-D.Njoku, D.Waller

(4) 14 Team SF, .2 PPCarry, TE 1.65 PPR
QB-J.Allen, B.Mayfield, G.Smith
RB-C.McCaffery, J.Mixon, J.Jacobs, C.Hubbard
WR-D.Smith, J.Addison, T.McLaurin, M.Brown, C.Samuel, B.Cooks
TE-J.Ferguson, T.Conklin

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Re: DGB or Coleman?

Postby Space Cowboy » Mon May 18, 2015 11:14 am

AresGodOWar wrote:
Space Cowboy wrote:DGB has AJ Green potential........

With that said, I havent studied Coleman all that much but the value is tremendous with DGB.
Anyone has A.J Green potential if they get 180 targets lol ... I just don't see what DGB did that was so great to give him all this hype , because he was a star coming out of high school when he was 15 years old it's not like he did that great in college ?
He was the #1 WR on a Missou team that almost reached the national championship. Did you see him destroy Auburn in what was one of the biggest games in Mizzo history?

He can high point the ball, has incredible size and very good speed. All the tools are there. From a FF perspective, he's a great pic. Now, he's got the off field issues and apparently struggled during team interviews but quite frankly we know nothing about any of that.

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Re: DGB or Coleman?

Postby AresGodOWar » Mon May 18, 2015 11:19 am

Space Cowboy wrote:
AresGodOWar wrote:
Space Cowboy wrote:DGB has AJ Green potential........

With that said, I havent studied Coleman all that much but the value is tremendous with DGB.
Anyone has A.J Green potential if they get 180 targets lol ... I just don't see what DGB did that was so great to give him all this hype , because he was a star coming out of high school when he was 15 years old it's not like he did that great in college ?
He was the #1 WR on a Missou team that almost reached the national championship. Did you see him destroy Auburn in what was one of the biggest games in Mizzo history?

He can high point the ball, has incredible size and very good speed. All the tools are there. From a FF perspective, he's a great pic. Now, he's got the off field issues and apparently struggled during team interviews but quite frankly we know nothing about any of that.
So really what your saying is he had like one good game , See what C.Matthews did against N.E in the super bowl he is 6'5 is he going to be great ?

I just wouldn't use a 1st on a guy with all these question marks
(1) 12 Team, QB 1.5 PPRushingYard, TE 1.5 PPR
QB-K.Murray, B.Mayfield, D.Watson
RB-R.White, D.Swift
WR-T.Hill, D.Samuel, M.Pittman, M.Brown, J.Jeudy, J.Addison, R.Moore, J.Tolbert
TE-T.McBride, D.Njoku

(2) 12 Team, 1 PPR
QB-J.Hurts, B.Purdy
RB-J.Mixon, I.Pacheco, R.White A.Mattison, C.Akers
WR-T.Hill, M.Brown, C.Olave, DJ.Moore J.Hyatt
TE-M.Andrews, J.Ferguson

(3) 12 Team, .15 PPCarry, WR 1.25 PPR, TE 2 PPR
QB-L.Jackson, G.Smith
RB-J.Jacobs, I.Pacheco, Z.White, D.Laube
WR-C.Lamb, P.Nacua, AJ.Brown, M.Pittman, X.Legette
TE-D.Njoku, D.Waller

(4) 14 Team SF, .2 PPCarry, TE 1.65 PPR
QB-J.Allen, B.Mayfield, G.Smith
RB-C.McCaffery, J.Mixon, J.Jacobs, C.Hubbard
WR-D.Smith, J.Addison, T.McLaurin, M.Brown, C.Samuel, B.Cooks
TE-J.Ferguson, T.Conklin

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Re: DGB or Coleman?

Postby doublesticks » Mon May 18, 2015 11:21 am

As a Mizzou fan, let me tell you that he was just starting to show what he could do when he got into trouble...but his 12 TDs playing with a banged up senior QB and a redshirt Frosh QB all year should tell you what you need to know. He never had "great" QB play and still produced at elite levels against SEC teams.

IF his head is on straight, you will kick yourself for a decade for not taking him...if not, he will be out of the league in a Josh Gordon blaze of glory!

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Re: DGB or Coleman?

Postby theone » Mon May 18, 2015 11:31 am

AresGodOWar wrote:Maybe its me but I don't see anything that special from DGB he isn't that fast , Don't know where he is going on the field and hasn't played in over a year , Has crazy off field issues ... I like D.Waller as much as him both 6'6 230ish lbs. , Waller has good hands just didn't get the chance in college like D.T he was on the same rush offence ...

WRs are a dime a dozen but there aren't many 3 down backs in the NFL anymore ..
When I watched his games I saw DGB able to dominate his opponents, particularly in the end zone. I understand he has off the field issues, but apparently I just saw a lot more on the field talent than you did. It happens. Won't be the first person to disagree with me and I am wrong a lot. I also am generally looking for the player who can give me elite production rather than a guy who just gives good numbers. If he duds out it doesn't bother me. I also like Waller and was somewhat disappointed I missed out on him in some drafts. Kind of hard to evaluate in the GT offense due to limited situations. Good situation for him in Baltimore. I do agree if you can get 3 down backs they are great. As said above, I like Coleman but don't see him as a 3 down back. Not due to his skill, but to the way ATL generally runs their offense and use multiple backs. I would be really surprised if Freeman is not the third down back.
Team 1 - 12 Team, 25 Players + 5 TS, 2 IR, PPR, 4TD Passing
2 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, Year1
QB - A.Smith, RG3, Sanchez, Daniel, Hundley, Grayson, Hack, Brissett
RB - Miller, Zeke, L. Murray, Alf, Ellington, Blue, D.Washington, K. Robinson
WR - OBJ, Tate, Hurns, DJax, DGB, Coleman
TE - Thomas, Tye, Henry


Team 2 - 16 Team, 24 Players + 4 TS, 2 IR, PPR, TE 1.5 PPR, 5TD Passing
1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 Flex, 1 TE, Year2 2015 Champion
QB - Dalton, Cutler
RB - Hill, B.Powell, K.Robinson, Ellington, T.Cadet, Oliver, Ervin
WR - Dez, B. Marshall, Snead, DGB, DHB, P.Richardson, Givens, Boyd, Peake, R. Louis
TE - Gronk, J. Reed, Barnidge, Heuerman, N.Paul,

Team 3 - 12 Team, 24 Players, RSO Salary Cap League, 2 IR, PPR, 6TD Passing
1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 Flex, 1 TE, Year2 2015 Champion
QB - Wentz
RB - Hill, D.Johnson, Ivory, D.Robinson
WR - Alshon, Maclin, Decker, J.Matthews, Tate, B.Miller
TE - Eifert, J. Reed

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Re: DGB or Coleman?

Postby AresGodOWar » Mon May 18, 2015 11:41 am

theone wrote:
AresGodOWar wrote:Maybe its me but I don't see anything that special from DGB he isn't that fast , Don't know where he is going on the field and hasn't played in over a year , Has crazy off field issues ... I like D.Waller as much as him both 6'6 230ish lbs. , Waller has good hands just didn't get the chance in college like D.T he was on the same rush offence ...

WRs are a dime a dozen but there aren't many 3 down backs in the NFL anymore ..
When I watched his games I saw DGB able to dominate his opponents, particularly in the end zone. I understand he has off the field issues, but apparently I just saw a lot more on the field talent than you did. It happens. Won't be the first person to disagree with me and I am wrong a lot. I also am generally looking for the player who can give me elite production rather than a guy who just gives good numbers. If he duds out it doesn't bother me. I also like Waller and was somewhat disappointed I missed out on him in some drafts. Kind of hard to evaluate in the GT offense due to limited situations. Good situation for him in Baltimore. I do agree if you can get 3 down backs they are great. As said above, I like Coleman but don't see him as a 3 down back. Not due to his skill, but to the way ATL generally runs their offense and use multiple backs. I would be really surprised if Freeman is not the third down back.
Here is that Auburn game watch the drops he doesn't look that good 1 of his TDs shouldn't have counted it came lose when he hit the ground and the other he was wide open .. I really don't know how he will be in the NFL but he isn't a Moss or C.J he isn't as fast he only runs a 4.50 thats ok but not break away speed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei7USo7lq8Q
(1) 12 Team, QB 1.5 PPRushingYard, TE 1.5 PPR
QB-K.Murray, B.Mayfield, D.Watson
RB-R.White, D.Swift
WR-T.Hill, D.Samuel, M.Pittman, M.Brown, J.Jeudy, J.Addison, R.Moore, J.Tolbert
TE-T.McBride, D.Njoku

(2) 12 Team, 1 PPR
QB-J.Hurts, B.Purdy
RB-J.Mixon, I.Pacheco, R.White A.Mattison, C.Akers
WR-T.Hill, M.Brown, C.Olave, DJ.Moore J.Hyatt
TE-M.Andrews, J.Ferguson

(3) 12 Team, .15 PPCarry, WR 1.25 PPR, TE 2 PPR
QB-L.Jackson, G.Smith
RB-J.Jacobs, I.Pacheco, Z.White, D.Laube
WR-C.Lamb, P.Nacua, AJ.Brown, M.Pittman, X.Legette
TE-D.Njoku, D.Waller

(4) 14 Team SF, .2 PPCarry, TE 1.65 PPR
QB-J.Allen, B.Mayfield, G.Smith
RB-C.McCaffery, J.Mixon, J.Jacobs, C.Hubbard
WR-D.Smith, J.Addison, T.McLaurin, M.Brown, C.Samuel, B.Cooks
TE-J.Ferguson, T.Conklin


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