Duke Johnson or Ajayi?

[Dynastychamp111]

Which one and why?

[Dynastychamp111]

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[Cameron Giles]

If Ajayi didn't have bone-on-bone, I'd say him, but I'll go with Duke. If Ajayi makes the most out of his expected short stay in the NFL, he could be pretty damn good.

[Swampdonkey17]

I had the same choice, and went Ajayi and I'm in a rebuild. I'm not disagreeing the injury concern, but I think the fantasy community overreacted. Everywhere you read, analysts, scouts, and similar injury reports are that his longevity is concern. So what? He's a rb, their longevity is always a concern. And it's not like he came into the draft expected to go on IR because he tore his knee up like Gurley, he was dominant remember? He looked pretty good to me all season, doesnt even wear a brace at all.

Neither player is a cornerstone to build around IMO, so aside from the McCoys,Bell's, AP's of the NFL, who do you honestly expect to be on your roster in 3 years? You'll ride him out, trade him, etc. For the position I'm looking at 3 years HOPEFULLY, and Ajayi is in a better situation. I like Duke's talent, and if he was in Miami I'd say him. But hes not, Browns will suck for the next 3 years. I might look to acquire Duke before his contract ends however on the cheap.

[FantasyFreak]

Duke. Chosen 2 full rounds above Ajayi. Seems Ajayi was given a boost by the dynasty community as a talent on the whole, and the injury concerns don't help.

[FantasyFreak]

I had the same choice, and went Ajayi and I'm in a rebuild. I'm not disagreeing the injury concern, but I think the fantasy community overreacted. Everywhere you read, analysts, scouts, and similar injury reports are that his longevity is concern. So what? He's a rb, their longevity is always a concern. And it's not like he came into the draft expected to go on IR because he tore his knee up like Gurley, he was dominant remember? He looked pretty good to me all season, doesnt even wear a brace at all.

Neither player is a cornerstone to build around IMO, so aside from the McCoys,Bell's, AP's of the NFL, who do you honestly expect to be on your roster in 3 years? You'll ride him out, trade him, etc. For the position I'm looking at 3 years HOPEFULLY, and Ajayi is in a better situation. I like Duke's talent, and if he was in Miami I'd say him. But hes not, Browns will suck for the next 3 years. I might look to acquire Duke before his contract ends however on the cheap.

So was Hyde's, supposedly, over Hill's going into last year, and how did that turn out? I wouldn't touch Ajayi with anything but a 3rd rounder or worse. He was a 5th round pick for a reason. If you know more than all those other teams and get a steal, good on you, but I wasn't a believer even when he was being touted as a mid first rookie pick. He was always on my avoid list, and after the draft, remains there, now in red letters.

[Swampdonkey17]

I for one did have Hill over Hyde but I get what you're saying. But the Browns/Dolphins argument is alot different than Bengals/49ers here.

[theone]

Let me compare the players and personnel they may replace (Johnson, Crowell, Ajayi, Miller) based on games I watched . Johnson has very good quickness with the ability to shift directions in a heartbeat and cutback on a dime. Best on outside or stretch runs. Get the ball in his hands on swing passes and look out. Crowell shows some nice inside straight line burst but without much top end speed or ability to hit the edge. Not much of a natural pass catcher. Ajayi is probably the best combination of power and speed with the ability to change direction of the group particularly on inside runs. Enough quickness to hit the edge, but best when driving forward. Sometimes dances too much at the line. Miller is by far the most talented of the group with the instant acceleration only a handful of backs in the NFL have. Seemingly at full speed right when he touches the ball. Better at inside runs than most people credit him for. Is able to speed through cracks in the line in an instant and is larger than many people think (played near 220 lbs). Most metrics had him as one of the best runners for good reason. Sometimes misses cutbacks due to vision and/or simply blowing by a hole. Ability to be productive with receptions but mainly due to speed and not elusiveness.

Given the above, I still believe Ajayi has the best opportunity to become a RB1 at some stage. The coaching staff at Miami does not seem to believe in Miller and I would not be surprised if they let him walk after this year. I think Johnson is the best back in Cleveland but I still see a mess where he is part of a time share. I not real high on the chances of either to take over the lead role this year.

[afrikanen]

The coaching staff at Miami does not seem to believe in Miller and I would not be surprised if they let him walk after this year.

To me, passing on most quality RBs until the 5th is definitely a sign of belief in Miller.

[theone]

The coaching staff at Miami does not seem to believe in Miller and I would not be surprised if they let him walk after this year.

To me, passing on most quality RBs until the 5th is definitely a sign of belief in Miller.

I hope you are correct. As you can tell my evaluation, I am a big fan of Miller's ability. I am just not sure of the Miami coaching and management decisions in general. There were too many games last year where Miller was not utilized enough. Even if you want to limit his carries, you have to get him more involved in the passing game as he is such a weapon. Also all the post season talk of wanting to utilize more of a committee which may or may not have been a smoke screen for the draft. And the decisions by the management are just bizarre. You pay a defensive tackle what will be the equivalent of 1/7 or 1/8 of your total average yearly salary (even one as good as Suh) but take the entire off season to decide to take the 5th year option on your franchise quarterback who has improved significantly every year both on the field and statistically. Just bizarre behavior to me.

[Nathan28]

Ajayi. I like his talent & situation better.

[jeffster]

Duke by far. I like Ajayi's talent, but he fell that far for a reason. As others have pointed out, that reason is his knee. You think you know better than all the teams whose medical professionals examined the results, then passed on him? I sure don't. To paraphrase Newsroom:

"Oh, I could have been a doctor."
"Really? What happened?"
"Well, I didn't go to med school."

[Diti51]

Duke by far. I like Ajayi's talent, but he fell that far for a reason. As others have pointed out, that reason is his knee. You think you know better than all the teams whose medical professionals examined the results, then passed on him? I sure don't. To paraphrase Newsroom:

"Oh, I could have been a doctor."
"Really? What happened?"
"Well, I didn't go to med school."

Better quote is Tommy Boy:
"Lot's of people go to college for seven years..."
"Yeah, I know. They're called doctors."

Duke talent I loved, but less happy about landing spot until Cleveland RB situation plays out.

Ajayi, I did have high until the bone on bone thing came out and he plummeted down draft boards. Lots to like and lots to worry on his game tap (pass pro particularly). That being said, I think sweet spot Dolphins see for Miller is probably 12-15 touches per game (catches/runs). I think there is room in this offense for Ajayi and I think he would be better between tackles runner than Miller. Coin flip on either end in my opinion.

[Steelersfan]

Duke. Better draft pedigree and I like his skill set better.

[Bo Jackson]

I'm going with Ajayi. I don't care about his knee, I like his situation