Easy reject or am I too high on DJ?

[Prison_Mike]

Trade partner is thin @ RB and put Daniel Jones OTB. We’ve discussed a RB/WR trade but haven’t been able to come to an agreement in recent weeks

This morning I offered Jacobs/J.Baker/‘25 2nd for DK/Jones/ 3rd

He countered with:

I give: Jacobs + Diontae + ‘25 2nd
I get: Metcalf + Jones + ‘25 3rd

I’m not super interested in Jones tbh but figured I’d take a stab at a cheap QB4 with some upside

I’m higher than consensus on Diontae, so this is a fairly easy decline for me. Anyone feel strongly otherwise?

My team:
Start: QB, 2EB, 2WR, 1TE, 3FLX, 1SF
QB: Kyler, Dak, Cousins
RB: Gibbs, Saquon, Jacobs, Swift, Mostert, Zamir, Warren
WR: Chase, Waddle, Diontae, Keenan, Meyers, Shaheed, Baker
TE: Njoku

[tstafford]

I'm passing as well. I don't see a big difference b/w Diontae and Metcalf for '24. I'd prefer Metcalf but not by enough to warrant the rest of that.

[Menace2010]

Yuck. Daniel Jones is worth a flyer. This price is not the price of a flyer. Easy pass.

[blueeyedbanditt]

I'm passing on this as well.

[Prison_Mike]

Thanks all, I thought so

When he sent back the counter he said "this is where I'm at, in your favor too"
I was like hmm...don't think so

I'd rather have DK than Jacobs for sure, and DJ is a nice flier, but I don't think I should need to bridge that gap with Diontae and a pick swap not in my favor

[Black Adam]

He countered with:

I give: Jacobs + Diontae + ‘25 2nd
I get: Metcalf + Jones + ‘25 3rd

[Prison_Mike]

He countered with:

I give: Jacobs + Diontae + ‘25 2nd
I get: Metcalf + Jones + ‘25 3rd

Glad I'm not crazy. He's still on the line and wants to find middle ground.

Would y'all even pay to move from Jacobs to DK?
Their ADPs are practically back to back (DK @ 57 | Jacobs @ 60)

[Dynasty DeLorean]

He countered with:

I give: Jacobs + Diontae + ‘25 2nd
I get: Metcalf + Jones + ‘25 3rd

Glad I'm not crazy. He's still on the line and wants to find middle ground.

Would y'all even pay to move from Jacobs to DK?
Their ADPs are practically back to back (DK @ 57 | Jacobs @ 60)

Yes, DK > Jacobs. You can throw adp out the window.

[MacDaddy123]

Trade partner is thin @ RB and put Daniel Jones OTB. We’ve discussed a RB/WR trade but haven’t been able to come to an agreement in recent weeks

This morning I offered Jacobs/J.Baker/‘25 2nd for DK/Jones/ 3rd

He countered with:

I give: Jacobs + Diontae + ‘25 2nd
I get: Metcalf + Jones + ‘25 3rd

I’m not super interested in Jones tbh but figured I’d take a stab at a cheap QB4 with some upside

I’m higher than consensus on Diontae, so this is a fairly easy decline for me. Anyone feel strongly otherwise?

My team:
Start: QB, 2EB, 2WR, 1TE, 3FLX, 1SF
QB: Kyler, Dak, Cousins
RB: Gibbs, Saquon, Jacobs, Swift, Mostert, Zamir, Warren
WR: Chase, Waddle, Diontae, Keenan, Meyers, Shaheed, Baker
TE: Njoku

I must be missing something here, as I think the offer is fair if you want DJ cheap.
I mean Metcalf is worth more than Diontae + 25 2nd, and Jacobs is a RB well onto the back 9 of his career.

Granted, DJ may only be a starting QB for 2024, and no longer, but Jacobs runs the same risk.

When drafting, I basically bake in 6 years of service from a RB, and 9 years of service from a WR, hopefully 15 years of service from a QB.
Well Jacobs has 5 of those 6 years in the rear view mirror right now, and if I owned him, I'd be looking to move him this season.
I wouldn't do it now, because like DJ, Jacobs value is currently down as they both had a poor 2023 seasons.

But I'm not looking to hold Jacobs much longer, but that is the way I roll with RB's.
I traded away Dalvin Cook prior to 2022 season for AJ Brown.

There is a non-zero chance that with a WR like Nabers, DJ could come back to life.

I mean if you don't want DJ, that is fair, you have decent depth at QB.

I just don't understand how an aging RB could be seen as ridiculous overpay for a 26 year old starting QB + 25 3rd in SF leagues, while also winning the other half of the deal, since Metcalf > Diontae + 25 2nd.
DJ was QB9 overall in 2022.

[wickerkat1212]

Trade partner is thin @ RB and put Daniel Jones OTB. We’ve discussed a RB/WR trade but haven’t been able to come to an agreement in recent weeks

This morning I offered Jacobs/J.Baker/‘25 2nd for DK/Jones/ 3rd

He countered with:

I give: Jacobs + Diontae + ‘25 2nd
I get: Metcalf + Jones + ‘25 3rd

I’m not super interested in Jones tbh but figured I’d take a stab at a cheap QB4 with some upside

I’m higher than consensus on Diontae, so this is a fairly easy decline for me. Anyone feel strongly otherwise?

My team:
Start: QB, 2EB, 2WR, 1TE, 3FLX, 1SF
QB: Kyler, Dak, Cousins
RB: Gibbs, Saquon, Jacobs, Swift, Mostert, Zamir, Warren
WR: Chase, Waddle, Diontae, Keenan, Meyers, Shaheed, Baker
TE: Njoku

I must be missing something here, as I think the offer is fair if you want DJ cheap.
I mean Metcalf is worth more than Diontae + 25 2nd, and Jacobs is a RB well onto the back 9 of his career.

Granted, DJ may only be a starting QB for 2024, and no longer, but Jacobs runs the same risk.

When drafting, I basically bake in 6 years of service from a RB, and 9 years of service from a WR, hopefully 15 years of service from a QB.
Well Jacobs has 5 of those 6 years in the rear view mirror right now, and if I owned him, I'd be looking to move him this season.
I wouldn't do it now, because like DJ, Jacobs value is currently down as they both had a poor 2023 seasons.

But I'm not looking to hold Jacobs much longer, but that is the way I roll with RB's.
I traded away Dalvin Cook prior to 2022 season for AJ Brown.

There is a non-zero chance that with a WR like Nabers, DJ could come back to life.

I mean if you don't want DJ, that is fair, you have decent depth at QB.

I just don't understand how an aging RB could be seen as ridiculous overpay for a 26 year old starting QB + 25 3rd in SF leagues, while also winning the other half of the deal, since Metcalf > Diontae + 25 2nd.
DJ was QB9 overall in 2022.

I agree 100%. KTC has this 11,120 to 10576 in your favor. You could try to remove the picks but honestly a 2nd for a 3rd (assuming they are about the same place in the round) isn't that much. Jacobs is a guy I'm kind of trying to move. I'd do the deal, but that's me. You can lose the Jacobs depth.

[Black Adam]

Glad I'm not crazy. He's still on the line and wants to find middle ground.

Would y'all even pay to move from Jacobs to DK?
Their ADPs are practically back to back (DK @ 57 | Jacobs @ 60)

Yes, DK > Jacobs. You can throw adp out the window.

Eh. Positional scarcity of startable RBs means I'm holding at that point.

I also wouldn't trade for Daniel Jones when I feel like his value is a WW bid at best, but I never liked him.

[dblj1199]

Easy pass here. You give up the better draft pick, the better or equal wr. So then it comes down to you giving up a rb 1 for a questionable qb, who will be qb 4 on your roster. Not a chance. Pass.

[Prison_Mike]

I must be missing something here, as I think the offer is fair if you want DJ cheap.
I mean Metcalf is worth more than Diontae + 25 2nd, and Jacobs is a RB well onto the back 9 of his career.

Granted, DJ may only be a starting QB for 2024, and no longer, but Jacobs runs the same risk.

When drafting, I basically bake in 6 years of service from a RB, and 9 years of service from a WR, hopefully 15 years of service from a QB.
Well Jacobs has 5 of those 6 years in the rear view mirror right now, and if I owned him, I'd be looking to move him this season.
I wouldn't do it now, because like DJ, Jacobs value is currently down as they both had a poor 2023 seasons.

But I'm not looking to hold Jacobs much longer, but that is the way I roll with RB's.
I traded away Dalvin Cook prior to 2022 season for AJ Brown.

There is a non-zero chance that with a WR like Nabers, DJ could come back to life.

I mean if you don't want DJ, that is fair, you have decent depth at QB.

I just don't understand how an aging RB could be seen as ridiculous overpay for a 26 year old starting QB + 25 3rd in SF leagues while also winning the other half of the deal, since Metcalf > Diontae + 25 2nd.
DJ was QB9 overall in 2022.

It's a ridiculous overpay because of how they're priced. Whether you look at ADP or trade value, Jacobs valuation is much higher than Jones. If I went to the grocery store and they were charging $20 for a dozen eggs, I wouldn't say "fine I'll pay that, I got 30% off on the milk." Same with this deal, if Jones (who I don't need) is spiking the cost of the foundation of the deal - Metcalf/Jacobs - I'll simply look elsewhere for QB depth, rather than pay above market for a guy who most of us don't have much confidence in as an asset beyond this year.

Again, the foundation of the trade is Jacobs for Metcalf. Not only because they're back to back in ADP, but because of the teams' respective deficiencies (I'm thin @ WR, he's thin @ RB...and fwiw, he's thinner at RB than I am at WR). The most I would probably pay to make that swap is the 2nd/3rd swap in his favor. Gun to my head, maybe I take out the 3rd.

Also, the added context here is that my trade partner put Jones on the block on Tuesday and said "best offer in 24 hours gets him." I sent my initial offer on Wednesday. I threw in Jones and some ancillary pieces in case he didn't have much of a market (based on the fact that he hadn't traded him yet, I figured that was the case) and was really motivated to move him. I looked at ADP to construct my original offer:

Jacobs/Metcalf - 5.08/5.10
Jones/Baker - 12.12/15.10
2nd/3rd swap to balance it out

[MacDaddy123]

I must be missing something here, as I think the offer is fair if you want DJ cheap.
I mean Metcalf is worth more than Diontae + 25 2nd, and Jacobs is a RB well onto the back 9 of his career.

Granted, DJ may only be a starting QB for 2024, and no longer, but Jacobs runs the same risk.

When drafting, I basically bake in 6 years of service from a RB, and 9 years of service from a WR, hopefully 15 years of service from a QB.
Well Jacobs has 5 of those 6 years in the rear view mirror right now, and if I owned him, I'd be looking to move him this season.
I wouldn't do it now, because like DJ, Jacobs value is currently down as they both had a poor 2023 seasons.

But I'm not looking to hold Jacobs much longer, but that is the way I roll with RB's.
I traded away Dalvin Cook prior to 2022 season for AJ Brown.

There is a non-zero chance that with a WR like Nabers, DJ could come back to life.

I mean if you don't want DJ, that is fair, you have decent depth at QB.

I just don't understand how an aging RB could be seen as ridiculous overpay for a 26 year old starting QB + 25 3rd in SF leagues while also winning the other half of the deal, since Metcalf > Diontae + 25 2nd.
DJ was QB9 overall in 2022.

It's a ridiculous overpay because of how they're priced. Whether you look at ADP or trade value, Jacobs valuation is much higher than Jones. If I went to the grocery store and they were charging $20 for a dozen eggs, I wouldn't say "fine I'll pay that, I got 30% off on the milk." Same with this deal, if Jones (who I don't need) is spiking the cost of the foundation of the deal - Metcalf/Jacobs - I'll simply look elsewhere for QB depth, rather than pay above market for a guy who most of us don't have much confidence in as an asset beyond this year.

Again, the foundation of the trade is Jacobs for Metcalf. Not only because they're back to back in ADP, but because of the teams' respective deficiencies (I'm thin @ WR, he's thin @ RB...and fwiw, he's thinner at RB than I am at WR). The most I would probably pay to make that swap is the 2nd/3rd swap in his favor. Gun to my head, maybe I take out the 3rd.

Also, the added context here is that my trade partner put Jones on the block on Tuesday and said "best offer in 24 hours gets him." I sent my initial offer on Wednesday. I threw in Jones and some ancillary pieces in case he didn't have much of a market (based on the fact that he hadn't traded him yet, I figured that was the case) and was really motivated to move him. I looked at ADP to construct my original offer:

Jacobs/Metcalf - 5.08/5.10
Jones/Baker - 12.12/15.10
2nd/3rd swap to balance it out

That's all you need to say, you don't need another QB.
No need even to start this thread.
Normally I don't ask for help in going after players that don't interest me.

Basically, to wrap up, you were interested in DJ if the other manager was going to just give you DJ.
Looks like he balked, and wanted fair value for DJ, at which point you decided that you didn't want DJ at market price.
Deals like this fall through thousands of times a day. Move on.

I'm not sure how Baker came into this conversation, as my remarks were about your original deal, with Diontae, no Baker.

[Prison_Mike]

I must be missing something here, as I think the offer is fair if you want DJ cheap.
I mean Metcalf is worth more than Diontae + 25 2nd, and Jacobs is a RB well onto the back 9 of his career.

Granted, DJ may only be a starting QB for 2024, and no longer, but Jacobs runs the same risk.

When drafting, I basically bake in 6 years of service from a RB, and 9 years of service from a WR, hopefully 15 years of service from a QB.
Well Jacobs has 5 of those 6 years in the rear view mirror right now, and if I owned him, I'd be looking to move him this season.
I wouldn't do it now, because like DJ, Jacobs value is currently down as they both had a poor 2023 seasons.

But I'm not looking to hold Jacobs much longer, but that is the way I roll with RB's.
I traded away Dalvin Cook prior to 2022 season for AJ Brown.

There is a non-zero chance that with a WR like Nabers, DJ could come back to life.

I mean if you don't want DJ, that is fair, you have decent depth at QB.

I just don't understand how an aging RB could be seen as ridiculous overpay for a 26 year old starting QB + 25 3rd in SF leagues while also winning the other half of the deal, since Metcalf > Diontae + 25 2nd.
DJ was QB9 overall in 2022.

It's a ridiculous overpay because of how they're priced. Whether you look at ADP or trade value, Jacobs valuation is much higher than Jones. If I went to the grocery store and they were charging $20 for a dozen eggs, I wouldn't say "fine I'll pay that, I got 30% off on the milk." Same with this deal, if Jones (who I don't need) is spiking the cost of the foundation of the deal - Metcalf/Jacobs - I'll simply look elsewhere for QB depth, rather than pay above market for a guy who most of us don't have much confidence in as an asset beyond this year.

Again, the foundation of the trade is Jacobs for Metcalf. Not only because they're back to back in ADP, but because of the teams' respective deficiencies (I'm thin @ WR, he's thin @ RB...and fwiw, he's thinner at RB than I am at WR). The most I would probably pay to make that swap is the 2nd/3rd swap in his favor. Gun to my head, maybe I take out the 3rd.

Also, the added context here is that my trade partner put Jones on the block on Tuesday and said "best offer in 24 hours gets him." I sent my initial offer on Wednesday. I threw in Jones and some ancillary pieces in case he didn't have much of a market (based on the fact that he hadn't traded him yet, I figured that was the case) and was really motivated to move him. I looked at ADP to construct my original offer:

Jacobs/Metcalf - 5.08/5.10
Jones/Baker - 12.12/15.10
2nd/3rd swap to balance it out

That's all you need to say, you don't need another QB.
No need even to start this thread.
Normally I don't ask for help in going after players that don't interest me.

Basically, to wrap up, you were interested in DJ if the other manager was going to just give you DJ.
Looks like he balked, and wanted fair value for DJ, at which point you decided that you didn't want DJ at market price.
Deals like this fall through thousands of times a day. Move on.

I'm not sure how Baker came into this conversation, as my remarks were about your original deal, with Diontae, no Baker.

Sorry for any confusion in the title - the question was whether I was too high on Diontae Johnson, not Daniel Jones. Poor phrasing by calling him DJ in this particular instance lol. I was reluctant on his counter and wanted to ask others’ opinions on the deal that was sent back.

My original deal involved Baker, not Diontae

The deal is still alive. He’s thinking it over (has been for a while). I’ve removed the 3rd. Current deal on the table is: Jacobs/J.Baker/2nd for DK/Jones