TE depth with both Kittle and Njoku? I recognize he doesn't have a top 5 QB, but Dak and Cousins is a great starting duo (at least short-term)... I'm in mostly 14-16 team leagues, perhaps that's clouding my judgment. But this team looks like a contender to me.moishetreats wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:04 amI see it much differently.henry1jg wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 4:11 am
First off, your team is absolutely stacked. So making a consolidation offer like this isn't a biggie to you.
Second, if he's willing to offer now, he'd be willing to offer in two weeks.
To me, this is a trade you cannot make without knowing the landing spots. And that is solely because of Minnesota's QB situation. If they do in fact trade up and land one of the QBs, I would have no problem making this trade.
If Minnesota does not get the trade up that everyone assumes they will get, and they go into the season with Sam Darnold as their QB and a day two developmental QB, then you have some thinking to do. If HOFer Larry Fitzgerald could not continue his crazy run of uber elite production with castaway qbs, then I'm not sure JJ will either. I still think JJ flirts with top 10 WR production every year if he has poor QB play, but I do not think he is WR1 overall upside with bad QB play.
TL:DR; don't make any moves until after the draft. Too many variables to make an educated decision here
First, given the scoring format, I see real TE issues (depth in particular) and real QB issues (no top-line player).
Second, just because an offer is available now in now way guarantees it will be there at any other time. Maybe the other owner has offers to others teams? Maybe after the draft, if Minnesota gets a top QB, he'll want more for JJ -- or won't want to move him. Maybe... There are SO many variables. If you have a good/great offer now, take it. There's no presumption the other owner will simply wait and wait until you decide you're ready.
Absolute haul for JJ
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Fair. I'm not high on Njoku at all.Menace2010 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:22 am
TE depth with both Kittle and Njoku? I recognize he doesn't have a top 5 QB, but Dak and Cousins is a great starting duo (at least short-term)... I'm in mostly 14-16 team leagues, perhaps that's clouding my judgment. But this team looks like a contender to me.
As for QBs, I like that duo. I'm also not convinced either is elite.
I'm on board that the team is 100% a contending one. No doubt about it, IMO. I was responding to the comment that his team is fully stacked and therefore making a consolidation trade is ideal. As I also wrote in another post, I like making the trade for Jefferson on value (and figure out roster construction later). I just wouldn't do it because the team is stacked everywhere.
10 tms 27 plrs PPR
Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex / best ball
QB: Herbert, Love, Rodgers, G Smith, Stidham, T Taylor, Hall
RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble
2024: 2.09, 3.07, 3.08, 3.10, 4.08
2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
2026: 1st, 2nd (x2), 3rd, 4th, 5th
12 tms 22 active plyrs. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex / best ball
QB: Lawrence (contract through 2026), Love ('24), Rodgers ('24), Stidham ('25), Lock ('25)
RB: Bijan Robinson ('25), Pollard ('27), Dillon ('24), Rodriguez ('24), Spiller ('24)
WR: G Wilson ('26), AJ Brown ('26), DJ Montgomery ('25)
TE: --
2024 Cap Spent: $186
IR: --
TAXI SQUAD (4 max): --
Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex / best ball
QB: Herbert, Love, Rodgers, G Smith, Stidham, T Taylor, Hall
RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble
2024: 2.09, 3.07, 3.08, 3.10, 4.08
2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
2026: 1st, 2nd (x2), 3rd, 4th, 5th
12 tms 22 active plyrs. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex / best ball
QB: Lawrence (contract through 2026), Love ('24), Rodgers ('24), Stidham ('25), Lock ('25)
RB: Bijan Robinson ('25), Pollard ('27), Dillon ('24), Rodriguez ('24), Spiller ('24)
WR: G Wilson ('26), AJ Brown ('26), DJ Montgomery ('25)
TE: --
2024 Cap Spent: $186
IR: --
TAXI SQUAD (4 max): --
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Just take the trade and move on to your next move I’m sure you could trade metcalf or Keenan or whoever to fill other positions of need you’re taking too long thinking about this. You add JJ to lamb and chase and you don’t have to worry about that position for 7-8 years and if you have to those guys will retain their value and you’ll always be able to trade one of them for help
Qb: Hurts, geno Smith
Rb: JT, Gibbs, Montgomery, Roschon, Z. White, Ty Chandler
Wr: AJB, JJ, Chase, waddle, G Wilson
TE: Pitts, Kincaid, Likely, Njoku
2024 1.01, 1.04, 1.05
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9 players kept yearly
Non PPR
Not super flex
Start 1/1/2/1/2 flex
1 point per first down
All tds 6 points
Rb: JT, Gibbs, Montgomery, Roschon, Z. White, Ty Chandler
Wr: AJB, JJ, Chase, waddle, G Wilson
TE: Pitts, Kincaid, Likely, Njoku
2024 1.01, 1.04, 1.05
10 team
9 players kept yearly
Non PPR
Not super flex
Start 1/1/2/1/2 flex
1 point per first down
All tds 6 points
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Before doing this I'd see if you could move 1.01 + 1.10 + Geno/Russ for an elite QB (doubt it would be accepted but i'd be comfortable adding another +).
I think that adding a Mahomes/Allen/Hurts etc. would benefit your team more than adding JJ.
Assuming you start 4 or 5 WR's, I think the weekly difference between starting JJ v DJM/KA will be a lot lower than the difference between Cousins v Allen/Mahomes/Hurts.
If that isn't on the table then I would definitely take the JJ deal and not worry about your WR core for the best part of a decade.
I think that adding a Mahomes/Allen/Hurts etc. would benefit your team more than adding JJ.
Assuming you start 4 or 5 WR's, I think the weekly difference between starting JJ v DJM/KA will be a lot lower than the difference between Cousins v Allen/Mahomes/Hurts.
If that isn't on the table then I would definitely take the JJ deal and not worry about your WR core for the best part of a decade.
TEAM 1
Dynasty PPR 1QB (12 Team League)
QB - Murray, Fields, Pickett, Howell.
RB - Gibbs, R. White, Swift, Javonte Williams, Charbonnet, Allegier, Tank Bigsby, Penny.
WR - Nacua, Dell, Hollywood, Jameson Williams, Burks, Mooney, Atwell, Melton, Phillips, Washington, Lazard.
TE - Ferguson, Mayer, Knox.
DEF - Bills, Vikings.
Rookie Picks: 1.02, 2.02, 3.02, 4.02 and 5.02.
TEAM 2
Dynasty PPR - SuperFlex and TE Prem. (16 teams)
QB - Prescott, Pickett, Ridder, Mariota, Mullins, Willis.
RB - Walker III, R. White, Montgomery, Singletary, R. Jones, Mack, Hull, Sermon.
WR - Adams, Higgins, Watson, Meyers, Gabe Davis, W. Robinson, Dotson, Raymond, ARob.
TE - McBride, H. Henry, B. Jordan, Bates, B. Hopkins.
Rookie Picks: 2.14 and 3.14.
Dynasty PPR 1QB (12 Team League)
QB - Murray, Fields, Pickett, Howell.
RB - Gibbs, R. White, Swift, Javonte Williams, Charbonnet, Allegier, Tank Bigsby, Penny.
WR - Nacua, Dell, Hollywood, Jameson Williams, Burks, Mooney, Atwell, Melton, Phillips, Washington, Lazard.
TE - Ferguson, Mayer, Knox.
DEF - Bills, Vikings.
Rookie Picks: 1.02, 2.02, 3.02, 4.02 and 5.02.
TEAM 2
Dynasty PPR - SuperFlex and TE Prem. (16 teams)
QB - Prescott, Pickett, Ridder, Mariota, Mullins, Willis.
RB - Walker III, R. White, Montgomery, Singletary, R. Jones, Mack, Hull, Sermon.
WR - Adams, Higgins, Watson, Meyers, Gabe Davis, W. Robinson, Dotson, Raymond, ARob.
TE - McBride, H. Henry, B. Jordan, Bates, B. Hopkins.
Rookie Picks: 2.14 and 3.14.
Re: Absolute haul for JJ
Thismoishetreats wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:04 amI see it much differently.henry1jg wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 4:11 am
First off, your team is absolutely stacked. So making a consolidation offer like this isn't a biggie to you.
Second, if he's willing to offer now, he'd be willing to offer in two weeks.
To me, this is a trade you cannot make without knowing the landing spots. And that is solely because of Minnesota's QB situation. If they do in fact trade up and land one of the QBs, I would have no problem making this trade.
If Minnesota does not get the trade up that everyone assumes they will get, and they go into the season with Sam Darnold as their QB and a day two developmental QB, then you have some thinking to do. If HOFer Larry Fitzgerald could not continue his crazy run of uber elite production with castaway qbs, then I'm not sure JJ will either. I still think JJ flirts with top 10 WR production every year if he has poor QB play, but I do not think he is WR1 overall upside with bad QB play.
TL:DR; don't make any moves until after the draft. Too many variables to make an educated decision here
First, given the scoring format, I see real TE issues (depth in particular) and real QB issues (no top-line player).
Second, just because an offer is available now in now way guarantees it will be there at any other time. Maybe the other owner has offers to others teams? Maybe after the draft, if Minnesota gets a top QB, he'll want more for JJ -- or won't want to move him. Maybe... There are SO many variables. If you have a good/great offer now, take it. There's no presumption the other owner will simply wait and wait until you decide you're ready.
Main Home League
12 Team 1 QB PPR
-Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE and 2 Flex
QB: Anthony Richardson, Sam Darnold
RB: Nobody worth mentioning
WR: Justin Jefferson, ARSB, Olave, Nico Collins, Tyquan Thornton, Marvin Mims, Tre Tucker, Bell, Austin,
TE: McBride and Dulcich
Draft Picks
-1.02, 3.01 and 4 24 4ths.
-3 25 1sts, 1 25 2nd, 3 25 3rds and 3 25 4ths
-2 26 1sts, 2 26 2nds, 1 26 3rd, and1 26 4th
2022 Champions in full rebuild. Looking to contend again in 2025.
12 Team 1 QB PPR
-Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE and 2 Flex
QB: Anthony Richardson, Sam Darnold
RB: Nobody worth mentioning
WR: Justin Jefferson, ARSB, Olave, Nico Collins, Tyquan Thornton, Marvin Mims, Tre Tucker, Bell, Austin,
TE: McBride and Dulcich
Draft Picks
-1.02, 3.01 and 4 24 4ths.
-3 25 1sts, 1 25 2nd, 3 25 3rds and 3 25 4ths
-2 26 1sts, 2 26 2nds, 1 26 3rd, and1 26 4th
2022 Champions in full rebuild. Looking to contend again in 2025.
Re: Absolute haul for JJ
What are the starting positions in this league? Sorry if I missed that somewhere but it’s pretty important here IMO. Assuming start at least 10, I’m surprised everyone is saying value is JJ side. Not saying I’m surprised like that side but to me the VALUE is comfortably on the 1.01 package side. 1.01 is a 1st round startup pick and getting 1.10 and 2.02 in a deep class on top (plus a future 2) swings the value to that side for me.
For your team - I think it’s hard to say without knowing the starting positions, but your team is so absurdly stacked you can certainly afford it. Anyone saying it’s not a contender is delusional or biased or blind or something.
For your team - I think it’s hard to say without knowing the starting positions, but your team is so absurdly stacked you can certainly afford it. Anyone saying it’s not a contender is delusional or biased or blind or something.
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