Odunze vs Nabers
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Odunze vs Nabers
After hearing the echo chamber of “Nabers > MHJ” recently (which I personally never saw as more than a smoke screen creating controversy), rumors are circulating that Odunze is becoming the actual WR 2. I’ve personally shared this thought for a while now and with analysts such as Matt Harmon pushing the same agenda, it seems the conversation is gaining quite a bit of traction.
Re: Odunze vs Nabers
Now that would be a smokescreen. All 3 are clearly good. All 3 will go inside the first 10 picks in the draft.
While I haven’t watched a ton of Odunze tape, I have watched every single snaps for Nabers and I can’t see anyone doubting his transition to the NFL. Odunze will be awesome as a WR2/3 to start his career.
While I haven’t watched a ton of Odunze tape, I have watched every single snaps for Nabers and I can’t see anyone doubting his transition to the NFL. Odunze will be awesome as a WR2/3 to start his career.
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1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def
QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE
Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker
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2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
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QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert
Taxi: Mitchell, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Douglas, Vaughn
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Re: Odunze vs Nabers
Would definitely give it a look. By no means am I implying Nabers is a slouch however after watching a good amount of Odunze throughout the year he clearly checks every box.TheTroll wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:27 am Now that would be a smokescreen. All 3 are clearly good. All 3 will go inside the first 10 picks in the draft.
While I haven’t watched a ton of Odunze tape, I have watched every single snaps for Nabers and I can’t see anyone doubting his transition to the NFL. Odunze will be awesome as a WR2/3 to start his career.
Re: Odunze vs Nabers
Yep all 3 are going to be great.dmoyer121099 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:54 amWould definitely give it a look. By no means am I implying Nabers is a slouch however after watching a good amount of Odunze throughout the year he clearly checks every box.TheTroll wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:27 am Now that would be a smokescreen. All 3 are clearly good. All 3 will go inside the first 10 picks in the draft.
While I haven’t watched a ton of Odunze tape, I have watched every single snaps for Nabers and I can’t see anyone doubting his transition to the NFL. Odunze will be awesome as a WR2/3 to start his career.
Team 1
Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def
QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE
Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker
Picks
2024: 1.03, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
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Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex
QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert
Taxi: Mitchell, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Douglas, Vaughn
Picks
2024: 1.08, 3.02, 3.09
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5
Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def
QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE
Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker
Picks
2024: 1.03, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
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Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex
QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert
Taxi: Mitchell, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Douglas, Vaughn
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Re: Odunze vs Nabers
Correction, we think all 3 are going to be great. Time will tell. I was all-in on a few of the guys that ended up busting hard (Treadwell, Corey Davis, Burks), sooooo always gotta beware that the prize in the box may not be as advertised once it hits the NFL field.TheTroll wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 2:07 pmYep all 3 are going to be great.dmoyer121099 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:54 amWould definitely give it a look. By no means am I implying Nabers is a slouch however after watching a good amount of Odunze throughout the year he clearly checks every box.TheTroll wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:27 am Now that would be a smokescreen. All 3 are clearly good. All 3 will go inside the first 10 picks in the draft.
While I haven’t watched a ton of Odunze tape, I have watched every single snaps for Nabers and I can’t see anyone doubting his transition to the NFL. Odunze will be awesome as a WR2/3 to start his career.
Let's not forget Corey Davis had a Prospect Grade of 6.70 and a PFF Grade of 91 "Elite," eerily similar to Odunze's profile (6.71 and 91).
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Re: Odunze vs Nabers
I also think all three are going to be elite. I saw somebody break it down somewhere, the comps, and skills, and basically said they are three different WRs but they'll all do well. I'd be happy to have shares of any of them. Expecting two shares of Harrison, none of Nabers, and maybe one of Odunze at 1.06 in SF depending on how they fall.
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QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, BENSON (R), Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, POLK (R), CORLEY (R), COWING (R), Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, TJOHNSON (R), Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT
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QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield, RATTLER (R) RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Mostert, BRob, ESTIME (R) WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Lockett, Myers, COWING (R), MWASHINGTON (R) TE—Kmet, Kraft, SANDERS (R), Conklin, Hurst PK—Elliott DEF—PHI
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QB: MAYE (R), Goff, Cousins, PENIX (R), Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: HARRISON (R), DJM, Higgins, JSN, BTHOMAS (R), Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, DPJ, Devante TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble
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Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield, RATTLER (R) RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Mostert, BRob, ESTIME (R) WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Lockett, Myers, COWING (R), MWASHINGTON (R) TE—Kmet, Kraft, SANDERS (R), Conklin, Hurst PK—Elliott DEF—PHI
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QB: MAYE (R), Goff, Cousins, PENIX (R), Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: HARRISON (R), DJM, Higgins, JSN, BTHOMAS (R), Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, DPJ, Devante TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble
Re: Odunze vs Nabers
I got burned by Treadwell and Davis too. It can happenMenace2010 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 2:33 pmCorrection, we think all 3 are going to be great. Time will tell. I was all-in on a few of the guys that ended up busting hard (Treadwell, Corey Davis, Burks), sooooo always gotta beware that the prize in the box may not be as advertised once it hits the NFL field.TheTroll wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 2:07 pmYep all 3 are going to be great.dmoyer121099 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:54 am
Would definitely give it a look. By no means am I implying Nabers is a slouch however after watching a good amount of Odunze throughout the year he clearly checks every box.
Let's not forget Corey Davis had a Prospect Grade of 6.70 and a PFF Grade of 91 "Elite," eerily similar to Odunze's profile (6.71 and 91).
Team 1
Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def
QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE
Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker
Picks
2024: 1.03, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Team 2
Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex
QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert
Taxi: Mitchell, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Douglas, Vaughn
Picks
2024: 1.08, 3.02, 3.09
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5
Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def
QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE
Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker
Picks
2024: 1.03, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Team 2
Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex
QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert
Taxi: Mitchell, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Douglas, Vaughn
Picks
2024: 1.08, 3.02, 3.09
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5
Re: Odunze vs Nabers
I'll go back to aforementioned 2021 draft for a comparable draft with early fantasy WRs who "hit"Menace2010 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 2:33 pmCorrection, we think all 3 are going to be great. Time will tell. I was all-in on a few of the guys that ended up busting hard (Treadwell, Corey Davis, Burks), sooooo always gotta beware that the prize in the box may not be as advertised once it hits the NFL field.TheTroll wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 2:07 pmYep all 3 are going to be great.dmoyer121099 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:54 am
Would definitely give it a look. By no means am I implying Nabers is a slouch however after watching a good amount of Odunze throughout the year he clearly checks every box.
Let's not forget Corey Davis had a Prospect Grade of 6.70 and a PFF Grade of 91 "Elite," eerily similar to Odunze's profile (6.71 and 91).
WR1: Chase was the guy who became the stud of the draft, predraft and post draft, he panned out.
WR2: Devonta lived up to the hype, even if he isn't a legit fantasy WR1 ... yet
WR3: Corey Davis was a big bust
WR4: Waddle is a lot like Devonta where he has a lot of hope/hype but is not a consistent fantasy WR1 ... yet.
So when we're looking at selling the farm for these 2024 rookies, what do we really think we're buying? Does anything think each of the top 3 rookie WRs are future fantasy WR1s? I don't, and history says it's probably not going to happen.
I remember Corey Davis going right before I chose Waddle in 2021. I was down about having to settle for Waddle. I had no idea how lucky I was.
But the point is, after three seasons, even the guys who "hit" (Devonta and Waddle) aren't really dominant stud fantasy receivers. Do we really think all three of the 2024 rookie WRs are going to be WR1s?
I won't predict MHJr will even be as good as Chase, much less be better. I'll put Nabers a smidge above Odunze, but I wouldn't be surprised to see someone else step up and be the rookie WR2 at the end of the season. Let's not get carried away predicting total stardom for all these guys.
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QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
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QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
Re: Odunze vs Nabers
It’s fun to believe that a crop of players will ball out! We need to pass the time somehow!Anteaters wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 12:36 pmI'll go back to aforementioned 2021 draft for a comparable draft with early fantasy WRs who "hit"Menace2010 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 2:33 pmCorrection, we think all 3 are going to be great. Time will tell. I was all-in on a few of the guys that ended up busting hard (Treadwell, Corey Davis, Burks), sooooo always gotta beware that the prize in the box may not be as advertised once it hits the NFL field.
Let's not forget Corey Davis had a Prospect Grade of 6.70 and a PFF Grade of 91 "Elite," eerily similar to Odunze's profile (6.71 and 91).
WR1: Chase was the guy who became the stud of the draft, predraft and post draft, he panned out.
WR2: Devonta lived up to the hype, even if he isn't a legit fantasy WR1 ... yet
WR3: Corey Davis was a big bust
WR4: Waddle is a lot like Devonta where he has a lot of hope/hype but is not a consistent fantasy WR1 ... yet.
So when we're looking at selling the farm for these 2024 rookies, what do we really think we're buying? Does anything think each of the top 3 rookie WRs are future fantasy WR1s? I don't, and history says it's probably not going to happen.
I remember Corey Davis going right before I chose Waddle in 2021. I was down about having to settle for Waddle. I had no idea how lucky I was.
But the point is, after three seasons, even the guys who "hit" (Devonta and Waddle) aren't really dominant stud fantasy receivers. Do we really think all three of the 2024 rookie WRs are going to be WR1s?
I won't predict MHJr will even be as good as Chase, much less be better. I'll put Nabers a smidge above Odunze, but I wouldn't be surprised to see someone else step up and be the rookie WR2 at the end of the season. Let's not get carried away predicting total stardom for all these guys.
I’ve been meaning to ask you Anteater… why the long face?
Team 1
Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def
QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE
Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker
Picks
2024: 1.03, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Team 2
Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex
QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert
Taxi: Mitchell, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Douglas, Vaughn
Picks
2024: 1.08, 3.02, 3.09
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5
Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def
QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE
Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker
Picks
2024: 1.03, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Team 2
Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex
QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert
Taxi: Mitchell, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Douglas, Vaughn
Picks
2024: 1.08, 3.02, 3.09
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5
Re: Odunze vs Nabers
I agree with it is probably unlikely all 3 hit big. Even 2014 which is considered one of the best WR classes of all time (Evans, OBJ, Cooks, Adams, Landry, Allen Robinson…John Brown was ok’ish for a few years)…had Sammy Watkins and Kelvin Benjamin in the 1st round too. But who knows, would be exciting if they did.Anteaters wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 12:36 pmI'll go back to aforementioned 2021 draft for a comparable draft with early fantasy WRs who "hit"Menace2010 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 2:33 pmCorrection, we think all 3 are going to be great. Time will tell. I was all-in on a few of the guys that ended up busting hard (Treadwell, Corey Davis, Burks), sooooo always gotta beware that the prize in the box may not be as advertised once it hits the NFL field.
Let's not forget Corey Davis had a Prospect Grade of 6.70 and a PFF Grade of 91 "Elite," eerily similar to Odunze's profile (6.71 and 91).
WR1: Chase was the guy who became the stud of the draft, predraft and post draft, he panned out.
WR2: Devonta lived up to the hype, even if he isn't a legit fantasy WR1 ... yet
WR3: Corey Davis was a big bust
WR4: Waddle is a lot like Devonta where he has a lot of hope/hype but is not a consistent fantasy WR1 ... yet.
So when we're looking at selling the farm for these 2024 rookies, what do we really think we're buying? Does anything think each of the top 3 rookie WRs are future fantasy WR1s? I don't, and history says it's probably not going to happen.
I remember Corey Davis going right before I chose Waddle in 2021. I was down about having to settle for Waddle. I had no idea how lucky I was.
But the point is, after three seasons, even the guys who "hit" (Devonta and Waddle) aren't really dominant stud fantasy receivers. Do we really think all three of the 2024 rookie WRs are going to be WR1s?
I won't predict MHJr will even be as good as Chase, much less be better. I'll put Nabers a smidge above Odunze, but I wouldn't be surprised to see someone else step up and be the rookie WR2 at the end of the season. Let's not get carried away predicting total stardom for all these guys.
I have to ask though…Corey Davis was 2017. Who are you thinking of? Haha
Re: Odunze vs Nabers
The memory is so strong, I thought he was more recent. The pain of a terrible pick lingers long.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
Re: Odunze vs Nabers
Not really a long face. More like a realistic observation.
Every year it's fun dreaming the dream of wondering which of my draft picks will hit. We all do it.
What gets me is when people are so certain of rookie WR4 that they are willing to trade a perfect good proven T20WR young veteran, in order to chase the hope of that rookie.
DK Metcalf is a great example. A lot of people seem to think his value is somewhere around 1.08-1.10 in a superflex draft. If you need a QB in SF, I get it. You do what you have to do. But if rookie WR 4-5 is the goal, I just have to wonder if rookie WR4-5 is that good of a bet. I mean, we're not talking about young guys like Flowers/Addison/JSN/JReed who have never hit 1000 yards in a season. We're talking about a guy who has several 1K seasons and double-digit TD seasons, and is still only 26.
Thinking that someone who hopes to contend is giving away DKM for a CBD-fueled dream that Brian Howard is going to be the next DKM is what gives me a long face. I mean I would love to draft BTjr and hope for the best. But no way in hades am I giving up DKM (or Aiyuk, or Pittman, or Rice, etc) to do it. That's madness to me.
I know this thread is Odunze/Nabers, but it's the same principle. People are wondering if they should trade AJB/Puka/ARSB to move up to draft one of those two. Again,
But I love reading rookie-fever trades. It gives me hope to move picks for proven players.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
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Re: Odunze vs Nabers
Personally, I think the odds of Nabers being better than MHJ are better than the odds that Odunze is better than Nabers.dmoyer121099 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 8:52 am After hearing the echo chamber of “Nabers > MHJ” recently (which I personally never saw as more than a smoke screen creating controversy), rumors are circulating that Odunze is becoming the actual WR 2. I’ve personally shared this thought for a while now and with analysts such as Matt Harmon pushing the same agenda, it seems the conversation is gaining quite a bit of traction.
Of course, anything is possible, Puka Nacua showed us that last year.
Kind of happy that I will get all 3 in one of my 12 team SF TEP rookie drafts.
I have a solid, top 2 QB room, and need a lot of help at WR, and have picks 1.02/1.03/1.04, and I know that Caleb will be the 1.01.
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Re: Odunze vs Nabers
Sweet. How exciting.MacDaddy123 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 10:44 pmPersonally, I think the odds of Nabers being better than MHJ are better than the odds that Odunze is better than Nabers.dmoyer121099 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 8:52 am After hearing the echo chamber of “Nabers > MHJ” recently (which I personally never saw as more than a smoke screen creating controversy), rumors are circulating that Odunze is becoming the actual WR 2. I’ve personally shared this thought for a while now and with analysts such as Matt Harmon pushing the same agenda, it seems the conversation is gaining quite a bit of traction.
Of course, anything is possible, Puka Nacua showed us that last year.
Kind of happy that I will get all 3 in one of my 12 team SF TEP rookie drafts.
I have a solid, top 2 QB room, and need a lot of help at WR, and have picks 1.02/1.03/1.04, and I know that Caleb will be the 1.01.
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL
D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, BENSON (R), Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, POLK (R), CORLEY (R), COWING (R), Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, TJOHNSON (R), Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT
Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield, RATTLER (R) RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Mostert, BRob, ESTIME (R) WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Lockett, Myers, COWING (R), MWASHINGTON (R) TE—Kmet, Kraft, SANDERS (R), Conklin, Hurst PK—Elliott DEF—PHI
Superflex 2:
QB: MAYE (R), Goff, Cousins, PENIX (R), Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: HARRISON (R), DJM, Higgins, JSN, BTHOMAS (R), Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, DPJ, Devante TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL
D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, BENSON (R), Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, POLK (R), CORLEY (R), COWING (R), Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, TJOHNSON (R), Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT
Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield, RATTLER (R) RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Mostert, BRob, ESTIME (R) WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Lockett, Myers, COWING (R), MWASHINGTON (R) TE—Kmet, Kraft, SANDERS (R), Conklin, Hurst PK—Elliott DEF—PHI
Superflex 2:
QB: MAYE (R), Goff, Cousins, PENIX (R), Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: HARRISON (R), DJM, Higgins, JSN, BTHOMAS (R), Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, DPJ, Devante TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble
Re: Odunze vs Nabers
Nabers…don’t over think thiswickerkat1212 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 11:12 pmSweet. How exciting.MacDaddy123 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 10:44 pmPersonally, I think the odds of Nabers being better than MHJ are better than the odds that Odunze is better than Nabers.dmoyer121099 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 8:52 am After hearing the echo chamber of “Nabers > MHJ” recently (which I personally never saw as more than a smoke screen creating controversy), rumors are circulating that Odunze is becoming the actual WR 2. I’ve personally shared this thought for a while now and with analysts such as Matt Harmon pushing the same agenda, it seems the conversation is gaining quite a bit of traction.
Of course, anything is possible, Puka Nacua showed us that last year.
Kind of happy that I will get all 3 in one of my 12 team SF TEP rookie drafts.
I have a solid, top 2 QB room, and need a lot of help at WR, and have picks 1.02/1.03/1.04, and I know that Caleb will be the 1.01.
Team 1
Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def
QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE
Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker
Picks
2024: 1.03, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Team 2
Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex
QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert
Taxi: Mitchell, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Douglas, Vaughn
Picks
2024: 1.08, 3.02, 3.09
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5
Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def
QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE
Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker
Picks
2024: 1.03, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Team 2
Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex
QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert
Taxi: Mitchell, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Douglas, Vaughn
Picks
2024: 1.08, 3.02, 3.09
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5
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