Too Much or Worth It for 1.06

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Too Much or Worth It for 1.06

Postby Bay City Original » Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:35 pm

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I'm really trying to move up into the top 7 and the 1.06 owner is willing. After some negotiating, he's dug in on this price:

1.06 for 1.12, my 2025 1st, and James Conner. He's also offered 4.01, 4.02 and a 2025 4th (all pretty worthless) but won't add anything else of value.

Value-wise, I think this is an overpay to move up 6 sports but I also believe being at 1.06 has a lot of value in this draft and to give up three lesser parts for one valuable part is worth it... like giving up two 50-cent pieces and a quarter for a dollar bill.

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Team 1 -12 Team, 0.5 PPR, QRRWWWTF 2022 Champ
QB: Allen, Love
RB: Mixon, AJones,,Swift, Dillon, Dobbins
WR: Jefferson, AJB, Tyreek, DJM, Sutton,
TE: Hockenson
2.02, 2.05

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QB: Murray, Love
RB: Hall, Gibbs, Kyren, Walker, Dobbins, KMitchell, EMitchell
WR: DSmith, Addison, Kupp DJM, Nabers, Dionte, Wicks
TE: Engram, Mayer, Waller

Team 3-12 Team, SF, 0.5 PPR, QRRWWWTFS - 2023 Champ
QB: Purdy, Dak Daniels, Stafford
RB: Taylor, Henry, Najee, Warren, ZMoss EMitchell
WR: Olave, Samuel, DJM,Sutton
TE: Kittle, Bowers, Ertz
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Re: Too Much or Worth It for 1.06

Postby moishetreats » Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:47 pm

Way too much for me. I think your team has some real volatility. I could see it pretty easily making another championship run or hitting some very possible and obvious bumps on the road, missing the playoffs altogether (and that's not a criticism!). So I would not at all want to including your 2025 1st as part of this deal. And losing Conner would also push this team more toward the range of missing the playoffs...
10 tms 27 plrs PPR
Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex / best ball

QB: Herbert, Love, Rodgers, G Smith, Stidham, T Taylor, Hall
RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble

2024: 2.09, 3.07, 3.08, 3.10, 4.08
2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
2026: 1st, 2nd (x2), 3rd, 4th, 5th



12 tms 22 active plyrs. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex / best ball

QB: Love ('24), Rodgers ('24), Stidham ('25), Lock ('25)
RB: Brooks ('27), Wright ('27), Guerendo ('26), Mitchell ('27), Dillon ('24), Rodriguez ('24), Spiller ('24)
WR: G Wilson ('26), AJ Brown ('26), Nabers ('28), Worthy ('28), Polk ('28), Franklin ('28), E Moore ('25), M Thomas ('25), DJ Montgomery ('25)
TE: --
2024 Cap Spent: $201

IR: --
TAXI SQUAD (4 max): Sinnott ('28), All ('28), Schrader ('26), A Reed ('28)

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Re: Too Much or Worth It for 1.06

Postby Dr.Graffin » Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:48 pm

Yeah, feels like you're giving up a little too much. Like James Connor is the extra. If you could get a nice player back that'd be great, or somehow work a future 2nd back....you could offer same deal, add a future 3rd, and 4th, see if you could a developmental type of player, but need a 2nd back....He's still getting the future 1st...

I'll admit it's a big jump from 1.12 to 1.6, so the other owner needs it to be worth...Also depends if you're contending this year...If not contending, and really want in on the rookie fever, I'm not to upset about losing Connor.
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1QB, 2RBs, 2WRs, 1TE, 2Flex (W/R/T), 1K, 1DST
QB: P. Mahomes, T. Tagovailoa
RB: D. Swift, D. Henry, J. Mixon, A. Ekeler, M. Sanders
WR: T. Hill, D. J. Moore, D. Samuel, D. Smith, T. Higgins, D. Hopkins, D. Wicks, J. Metchie, C. Claypool
TE: T. Kelce, C. Kmet, H. Henry, M. Gesicki, T. Kraft
K: J. Tucker
D/ST: Baltimore, Jacksonville
Taxi Squad: R. Ali, F. Gore Jr., J. Cowing, C. Johnson

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1QB, 2RBs, 2WRs, 1TE, 3Flex (W/R/T), 1K, 1DST
QB: J. Love, J. Herbert
RB: S. Barkley, I. Pacheco, D. Singletary, D. Pierce, E. Gray
WR: A. J. Brown, C. Olave, J. Waddle, D. J. Moore, T. Higgins, C. Watson, J. Downs, J. Dotson, R. Shaheed, A. T. Perry
TE: T. McBride, H. Henry, M. Gesicki, C. Okonkwo
K: T. Bass
D/ST: Jacksonville, Indianapolis
Taxi Squad: R. Pearsall, B. Corum, D. Laube

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Re: Too Much or Worth It for 1.06

Postby repkllrs » Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:55 pm

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Re: Too Much or Worth It for 1.06

Postby Bay City Original » Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:03 pm

@moishetreats... I completely agree with you. This is a "hit-or-miss" team and one that is getting a little bit long in the tooth at some positions. I don't think it's a championship team so at best, playoff-team.

Making this type of move would be a gamble on myself to make the playoffs, thus, making the 2025 pick a mid-rounder and the trade more palpable.

If I were to make the trade, last worst, I would have Harrison and my pick of Odunze or Bowers. If I get Williams at #2 (which is very likely as the #1 has continued to desire Harrison), I would have some trade options at QB and probably pick up Odunze or Bowers at 6. Regardless of the scenarios, I feel that I could "manage" this team to be a minimum playoff contender while picking up a pair of blue-chip players for the long haul. That's my thinking. Is it flawed and too optimistic?

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Re: Too Much or Worth It for 1.06

Postby BabyChark23 » Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:12 pm

I think this move is fine and not an overpay at all. As long as you make the playoffs next year, it’s a win. If you feel you’re not a legit contender, then pass.

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Re: Too Much or Worth It for 1.06

Postby frerichs5 » Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:28 pm

moishetreats wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:47 pm Way too much for me. I think your team has some real volatility. I could see it pretty easily making another championship run or hitting some very possible and obvious bumps on the road, missing the playoffs altogether (and that's not a criticism!). So I would not at all want to including your 2025 1st as part of this deal. And losing Conner would also push this team more toward the range of missing the playoffs...
I agree with this from the perspective of his team.

From the perspective of a team with the 1.06…I almost certainly wouldn’t do it for much less.

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Re: Too Much or Worth It for 1.06

Postby TheTroll » Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:35 pm

frerichs5 wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:28 pm
moishetreats wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:47 pm Way too much for me. I think your team has some real volatility. I could see it pretty easily making another championship run or hitting some very possible and obvious bumps on the road, missing the playoffs altogether (and that's not a criticism!). So I would not at all want to including your 2025 1st as part of this deal. And losing Conner would also push this team more toward the range of missing the playoffs...
I agree with this from the perspective of his team.

From the perspective of a team with the 1.06…I almost certainly wouldn’t do it for much less.
Piling on here. Too rich for a non guaranteed move
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Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def

QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE

Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker

Picks
2024: 1.03, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

Team 2
Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex

QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert

Taxi: Mitchell, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Douglas, Vaughn

Picks
2024: 1.08, 3.02, 3.09
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5

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Re: Too Much or Worth It for 1.06

Postby abloom » Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:31 pm

I'd take the deal in a SF league. This is cheap to me. Conner may take a hit to value and late firsts are overvalued in my opinion. Your 2025 first is not a random first, it's likely late. Your team could use both a young QB or wr which is what you will get at 1.06. no clue what you are gonna get at 1.12 but right now I'm pretty sure I only have 10 players with a first round grade for fantasy. That number could go up or down after the NFL draft.
Tm 1
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Kyler, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler, T tracey
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens
T: Kelce, Goedert, T johnson
D: nyj
K: Sanders

Tm 2
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 TE), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: Murray, Watson, Maye, McCarthy, R Wilson, howell
R: Swift, Walker, gus bus, Moss, Zeke,
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen
T: Kelce, Pitts, t Johnson, bell
K: Tucker
D: CLE

Tm 3
14 team, SF, 1PPR (2 TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F

Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Stafford, heinekie, flacco, browning
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Charb, Z White, R white, McLaughlin, wilson
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, watson
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson

Tm 4
https://www49.myfantasyleague.com/2024/ ... =0004&O=01

Tm 5
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Tm 6
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Re: Too Much or Worth It for 1.06

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Wed Apr 03, 2024 4:06 pm

Have you tried moving to 7 or 8 for less. I think the deal as is is acceptable, but it’s risky depending where your first ends up next year. In a vacuum I’d probably recommend not doing it but I understand doing it at the same time. Conner is a nothing burger to me, it’s the 1st that is a bit concerning. I’d try moving up to 7 or 8 first and then do this deal as a last resort if you really want to.

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Re: Too Much or Worth It for 1.06

Postby SoftwoodGrampian » Wed Apr 03, 2024 7:04 pm

Feels right according to startup prices

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Re: Too Much or Worth It for 1.06

Postby Jrblaha » Wed Apr 03, 2024 7:36 pm

Dynasty DeLorean wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 4:06 pm Have you tried moving to 7 or 8 for less. I think the deal as is is acceptable, but it’s risky depending where your first ends up next year. In a vacuum I’d probably recommend not doing it but I understand doing it at the same time. Conner is a nothing burger to me, it’s the 1st that is a bit concerning. I’d try moving up to 7 or 8 first and then do this deal as a last resort if you really want to.
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Re: Too Much or Worth It for 1.06

Postby Black Adam » Wed Apr 03, 2024 8:31 pm

abloom wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:31 pm I'd take the deal in a SF league. This is cheap to me. Conner may take a hit to value and late firsts are overvalued in my opinion. Your 2025 first is not a random first, it's likely late. Your team could use both a young QB or wr which is what you will get at 1.06. no clue what you are gonna get at 1.12 but right now I'm pretty sure I only have 10 players with a first round grade for fantasy. That number could go up or down after the NFL draft.
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Re: Too Much or Worth It for 1.06

Postby moishetreats » Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:21 am

abloom wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:31 pm I'd take the deal in a SF league. This is cheap to me. Conner may take a hit to value and late firsts are overvalued in my opinion. Your 2025 first is not a random first, it's likely late. Your team could use both a young QB or wr which is what you will get at 1.06. no clue what you are gonna get at 1.12 but right now I'm pretty sure I only have 10 players with a first round grade for fantasy. That number could go up or down after the NFL draft.
IMO, this is another reason *not* to make the trade. Let's say that there end up being 10 players you have with a 1st-round grade. It's almost never the exact same 10 players as everyone else in the league. There'd be a damn good chance one (or even two) would be available with the 12th pick.

And, as you noted, there's a chance more -- even 12 -- could end up with a first-round grade.

Of course, fewer could, as well. That would certainly make it tough for one to fall to 12, and having 1.06 would be nice. I wouldn't make this trade now, as I mentioned before, and certainly not until after the draft (and, yes, you do run the risk of it not being available then).
10 tms 27 plrs PPR
Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex / best ball

QB: Herbert, Love, Rodgers, G Smith, Stidham, T Taylor, Hall
RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble

2024: 2.09, 3.07, 3.08, 3.10, 4.08
2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
2026: 1st, 2nd (x2), 3rd, 4th, 5th



12 tms 22 active plyrs. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex / best ball

QB: Love ('24), Rodgers ('24), Stidham ('25), Lock ('25)
RB: Brooks ('27), Wright ('27), Guerendo ('26), Mitchell ('27), Dillon ('24), Rodriguez ('24), Spiller ('24)
WR: G Wilson ('26), AJ Brown ('26), Nabers ('28), Worthy ('28), Polk ('28), Franklin ('28), E Moore ('25), M Thomas ('25), DJ Montgomery ('25)
TE: --
2024 Cap Spent: $201

IR: --
TAXI SQUAD (4 max): Sinnott ('28), All ('28), Schrader ('26), A Reed ('28)

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Re: Too Much or Worth It for 1.06

Postby abloom » Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:41 am

moishetreats wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:21 am
abloom wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:31 pm I'd take the deal in a SF league. This is cheap to me. Conner may take a hit to value and late firsts are overvalued in my opinion. Your 2025 first is not a random first, it's likely late. Your team could use both a young QB or wr which is what you will get at 1.06. no clue what you are gonna get at 1.12 but right now I'm pretty sure I only have 10 players with a first round grade for fantasy. That number could go up or down after the NFL draft.
IMO, this is another reason *not* to make the trade. Let's say that there end up being 10 players you have with a 1st-round grade. It's almost never the exact same 10 players as everyone else in the league. There'd be a damn good chance one (or even two) would be available with the 12th pick.

And, as you noted, there's a chance more -- even 12 -- could end up with a first-round grade.

Of course, fewer could, as well. That would certainly make it tough for one to fall to 12, and having 1.06 would be nice. I wouldn't make this trade now, as I mentioned before, and certainly not until after the draft (and, yes, you do run the risk of it not being available then).
Not all first round grades are the same. 1.06 guarantees a first round graded pick, 1.12 does not. I also believe there will be a significant drop off at either 1.07 or 1.08 depending on McCarthy
Tm 1
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Kyler, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler, T tracey
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens
T: Kelce, Goedert, T johnson
D: nyj
K: Sanders

Tm 2
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 TE), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: Murray, Watson, Maye, McCarthy, R Wilson, howell
R: Swift, Walker, gus bus, Moss, Zeke,
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen
T: Kelce, Pitts, t Johnson, bell
K: Tucker
D: CLE

Tm 3
14 team, SF, 1PPR (2 TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F

Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Stafford, heinekie, flacco, browning
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Charb, Z White, R white, McLaughlin, wilson
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, watson
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson

Tm 4
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Tm 5
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Tm 6
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