London v Odunze v Nabers

[Buckhill Bombers]

predraft give me London...but depending on landing spots in the draft that could change.

[JamboMac]

The full offer is >

London
Johnston
M.Wilson
Ojulari

For

2024 1.07
2025 1st (mid)
2025 2nd (mid)
Bo Melton (meh)

I feel like I will take the pick side as it gives me control of the 1.06 and 1.07, and I already have the 1.01 and 1.12, as well as a bunch of 2nd and 3rd round picks. I desperately need QBs as my only guy at the minute is Bones, but I'm in no rush to compete either. I will most likely have a top 2 pick next season too.

Where does Nabers and Odunze come in on this offer?

I have the 1.06 & 1.07, and will 100% land Nabers or Odunze. The 1.07 will either be JJ McCarthy or Bowers most likely.

The deal changed slightly anyway, it ended up being Rice + Wilson + Johnston for the same offer, and I feel better about that one. I also have Jefferson, so I'm trying to get a haul for that to really kick start the rebuild too.

[Prison_Mike]

Which guy would you prefer in a rebuild? I know it's early and landing spot matters, but assuming they all land in a good spot, which one are you taking?

London I feel is now in a run heavy team, and Pitts I think could be the one to benefit the most from the Cousins trade.

I assume Nabers would be off the board by the time I come to pick - although there is a guy very TE needy and it's TEP premium, so a chance Bowers goes before Nabers and Odunze. The trade in question involves other pieces too, but what it comes down to is these 3 (possibly 2) guys.

I don’t understand the London analysis, if that’s your feeling that’s fine but London is a better receiver the pitts so I’m not sure what it’s based on. Cousins can also support both.

Anyways I don’t mind going Nabers over London he’s a better prospect coming out, I’d have them close at this point, both slightly over odunze who I still like quite a bit!

I have been made an offer which gives me the 1.07 and he gets London. There are other guys involved, but that isn't important. What it comes down to is whether you'd rather have London, Odunze or Nabers.

And yes, I agree he is a better receiver than Pitts, but in a TEP league, Pitts is the one that will benefit the most from Cousins being there. On top of the move towards a run heavy scheme. Cousins can support both, but I feel it'll be a boom/bust kinda situation.

You'd be giving up another 1st! That is absolutely important, and sways this deal heavily in favor of the 1.07 side

[Viking386]

The full offer is >

London
Johnston
M.Wilson
Ojulari

For

2024 1.07
2025 1st (mid)
2025 2nd (mid)
Bo Melton (meh)

I feel like I will take the pick side as it gives me control of the 1.06 and 1.07, and I already have the 1.01 and 1.12, as well as a bunch of 2nd and 3rd round picks. I desperately need QBs as my only guy at the minute is Bones, but I'm in no rush to compete either. I will most likely have a top 2 pick next season too.

thats a terrible deal imo. looks like 2 firsts for london and a 2nd for qj/m wilson. thats too steep for london for me. 1.07 vs london is a fine debate 1.07+mid 25 first vs london is pretty off to me

Yes please dont do this deal. You are getting robbed

[FantasyFreak]

Nabers over the other two by a lot for me.

[MacDaddy123]

For me I would go Nabers > London > Odunze

[Jrblaha]

What about Flowers?

[TheTroll]

What about Flowers?

Distant 4th

[tstafford]

What about Flowers?

Distant 4th

Right. FA helped London and arguably hurt Flowers.

Had hoped to buy London cheap *again* this draft season, but that's not happening. Maybe Flowers is now a draft day trade target for a SF pick just after the top-6.

[CGW]

What about Flowers?

Distant 4th

Right. FA helped London and arguably hurt Flowers.

Had hoped to buy London cheap *again* this draft season, but that's not happening. Maybe Flowers is now a draft day trade target for a SF pick just after the top-6.

Can I hear that argument? I mean, OBJ is gone and they didn't really add another receiver through FA. The OLine took a hit losing Zeitler and Moses, but they added Henry who's the best RB they've had for a while. No big upgrade at QB like London, but I have a hard time arguing Flowers is in a worse position than 2023.

[tstafford]

Distant 4th

Right. FA helped London and arguably hurt Flowers.

Had hoped to buy London cheap *again* this draft season, but that's not happening. Maybe Flowers is now a draft day trade target for a SF pick just after the top-6.

Can I hear that argument? I mean, OBJ is gone and they didn't really add another receiver through FA. The OLine took a hit losing Zeitler and Moses, but they added Henry who's the best RB they've had for a while. No big upgrade at QB like London, but I have a hard time arguing Flowers is in a worse position than 2023.

The argument would be that BAL is going to be more run heavy with the addition of DH. BAL was already near the bottom of the league in pass attempts. Flowers was WR32 on PPG in PPR - my bet is I rank him outside of the top 36 for '24 after the rookies land. YMMV.

[Mtt33]

Right. FA helped London and arguably hurt Flowers.

Had hoped to buy London cheap *again* this draft season, but that's not happening. Maybe Flowers is now a draft day trade target for a SF pick just after the top-6.

Can I hear that argument? I mean, OBJ is gone and they didn't really add another receiver through FA. The OLine took a hit losing Zeitler and Moses, but they added Henry who's the best RB they've had for a while. No big upgrade at QB like London, but I have a hard time arguing Flowers is in a worse position than 2023.

The argument would be that BAL is going to be more run heavy with the addition of DH. BAL was already near the bottom of the league in pass attempts. Flowers was WR32 on PPG in PPR - my bet is I rank him outside of the top 36 for '24 after the rookies land. YMMV.

Seems a bit of a stretch that they are going to drastically lower their pass attempts. Others will point to Henry opening up the passing game because defenses have to respect the run game more.

Regardless I agree London >> flowers

[CGW]

London over Flowers, sure. But the argument was Flowers was hurt by free agency, which Id say is not much an argument. OBJ had 64 targets last year that have been vacated, without any meaningful additions. They already were run heavy, they aren't going to get significantly more run heavy.

[MacDaddy123]

London over Flowers, sure. But the argument was Flowers was hurt by free agency, which Id say is not much an argument. OBJ had 64 targets last year that have been vacated, without any meaningful additions. They already were run heavy, they aren't going to get significantly more run heavy.

I would say that Andrews being back overshadows OBJ being gone in the pass game.
Still many rumors out there too that Ravens want to ruin another WR's career with 1st round draft capital too.

[tstafford]

London over Flowers, sure. But the argument was Flowers was hurt by free agency, which Id say is not much an argument. OBJ had 64 targets last year that have been vacated, without any meaningful additions. They already were run heavy, they aren't going to get significantly more run heavy.

Maybe we re-frame this to be more useful. The important thing IMO is that I expect Flowers to finish worse in PPG in '24 than he did in '23. Are you expecting the opposite? If so, that's fine. We just don't happen to agree.