2024 Bad Trade Offers

[BabyChark23]

14 team SF/TEP 6 points per TD pass. Caleb was off the board at 1.01.


Give 1.05 and a 2025 first (projected early/mid)

Get 1.02

Not a bad offer but I get not wanting to pay it

X2. I wouldn’t pay it, but I don’t think it’s a bad offer. He was just trying to capitalize on the hype of the top guys in this rookie class. I’ve seen deals like this go down this offseason.

[FantasyFreak]

14 team SF/TEP 6 points per TD pass. Caleb was off the board at 1.01.


Give 1.05 and a 2025 first (projected early/mid)

Get 1.02

Not a bad offer but I get not wanting to pay it

X2. I wouldn’t pay it, but I don’t think it’s a bad offer. He was just trying to capitalize on the hype of the top guys in this rookie class. I’ve seen deals like this go down this offseason.

I don't think a WR is worth 2X on the next WR (Nabers I actually have rated higher), or a QB that was taken top 3 in the NFL draft, in a 14 team SF. I think it's a bad offer, based on my evaluations, but if others think it's fair, or close, I'd just say I think the valuation of MHJ is off, in the community. Until he's putting up numbers that Lamb did last year, or JJ the year before, he shouldn't be valued like this, IMO.

I'd be interested to see some trades for him, in this format, as 14 team SF, 6 point per TD, QB's are pretty valuable.

[Shcritters]

14 team SF/TEP 6 points per TD pass. Caleb was off the board at 1.01.


Give 1.05 and a 2025 first (projected early/mid)

Get 1.02

Not a bad offer but I get not wanting to pay it

X2. I wouldn’t pay it, but I don’t think it’s a bad offer. He was just trying to capitalize on the hype of the top guys in this rookie class. I’ve seen deals like this go down this offseason.

Sorry, but don’t really think this is a bad offer.

[BabyChark23]

Not a bad offer but I get not wanting to pay it

X2. I wouldn’t pay it, but I don’t think it’s a bad offer. He was just trying to capitalize on the hype of the top guys in this rookie class. I’ve seen deals like this go down this offseason.

I don't think a WR is worth 2X on the next WR (Nabers I actually have rated higher), or a QB that was taken top 3 in the NFL draft, in a 14 team SF. I think it's a bad offer, based on my evaluations, but if others think it's fair, or close, I'd just say I think the valuation of MHJ is off, in the community. Until he's putting up numbers that Lamb did last year, or JJ the year before, he shouldn't be valued like this, IMO.

I'd be interested to see some trades for him, in this format, as 14 team SF, 6 point per TD, QB's are pretty valuable.

So presumably, if QBs are that valuable in this league then it would be reasonable to use a random 1st a year out to move up and snag Jayden Daniels, assuming your team needed a QB. I’d personally just wait and grab Drake Maye, but the community is irrationally low on him because he is in NE, so I could see someone preferring to move up for Jayden.

In regards to your comment that MHJR is overvalued, I agree, but that’s where his value sits in the market.

[killer_of_giants]

I took over an safeleague orphan in a SF/TEP league. My team is top heavy with no depth.

I offered CMC and Cousins
For 1.04, 2.04, Mayer and McLaughlin

He rejected and countered with
I give CMC
I get 2.04, McLaughlin and Shaheed

Uhhh that escalated quickly. I rejected and asked if he thought my offer was offensive and the reason he sent me such a sad counter but he never replied.

The team is a possible contender too, so it would have helped him.
QB: Tua, Wilson
RB: Achane, Najee, Jacobs, Moss, Spears, Zamir
WR: Addison, Hollywood, Cooper, Higgins, Ridley, Shaheed
TE: Mayer, Henry

your offer was more than fair. the patronising "failed to identify a team with those needs" is bollocks, even a non-contender could think about getting two 1sts from those players later on, or maybe they also have a few 1sts to invest to be proper contenders, or maybe they just overvalue their team without necessarily being "clueless".
they could also have replied saying that it's good value but they're looking for different pieces, rather than try to make you feel like the arsehole.

[FantasyFreak]

X2. I wouldn’t pay it, but I don’t think it’s a bad offer. He was just trying to capitalize on the hype of the top guys in this rookie class. I’ve seen deals like this go down this offseason.

I don't think a WR is worth 2X on the next WR (Nabers I actually have rated higher), or a QB that was taken top 3 in the NFL draft, in a 14 team SF. I think it's a bad offer, based on my evaluations, but if others think it's fair, or close, I'd just say I think the valuation of MHJ is off, in the community. Until he's putting up numbers that Lamb did last year, or JJ the year before, he shouldn't be valued like this, IMO.

I'd be interested to see some trades for him, in this format, as 14 team SF, 6 point per TD, QB's are pretty valuable.

So presumably, if QBs are that valuable in this league then it would be reasonable to use a random 1st a year out to move up and snag Jayden Daniels, assuming your team needed a QB. I’d personally just wait and grab Drake Maye, but the community is irrationally low on him because he is in NE, so I could see someone preferring to move up for Jayden.

In regards to your comment that MHJR is overvalued, I agree, but that’s where his value sits in the market.

It ended up going Daniels and Maye at 3 and 4. So I ended up getting who I consider the better WR at 5.

[FantasyFreak]

Not a bad offer but I get not wanting to pay it

X2. I wouldn’t pay it, but I don’t think it’s a bad offer. He was just trying to capitalize on the hype of the top guys in this rookie class. I’ve seen deals like this go down this offseason.

Sorry, but don’t really think this is a bad offer.

I can't believe people think MHJ is worth close to this much. I'm actually baffled.

[BabyChark23]

X2. I wouldn’t pay it, but I don’t think it’s a bad offer. He was just trying to capitalize on the hype of the top guys in this rookie class. I’ve seen deals like this go down this offseason.

Sorry, but don’t really think this is a bad offer.

I can't believe people think MHJ is worth close to this much. I'm actually baffled.

Out of curiosity to get a baseline, who are some current NFL receivers that you would have valued closely to MHJR?

[BabyChark23]

I don't think a WR is worth 2X on the next WR (Nabers I actually have rated higher), or a QB that was taken top 3 in the NFL draft, in a 14 team SF. I think it's a bad offer, based on my evaluations, but if others think it's fair, or close, I'd just say I think the valuation of MHJ is off, in the community. Until he's putting up numbers that Lamb did last year, or JJ the year before, he shouldn't be valued like this, IMO.

I'd be interested to see some trades for him, in this format, as 14 team SF, 6 point per TD, QB's are pretty valuable.

So presumably, if QBs are that valuable in this league then it would be reasonable to use a random 1st a year out to move up and snag Jayden Daniels, assuming your team needed a QB. I’d personally just wait and grab Drake Maye, but the community is irrationally low on him because he is in NE, so I could see someone preferring to move up for Jayden.

In regards to your comment that MHJR is overvalued, I agree, but that’s where his value sits in the market.

It ended up going Daniels and Maye at 3 and 4. So I ended up getting who I consider the better WR at 5.

That’s pretty good value on Nabers at 5.

[Menace2010]

So presumably, if QBs are that valuable in this league then it would be reasonable to use a random 1st a year out to move up and snag Jayden Daniels, assuming your team needed a QB. I’d personally just wait and grab Drake Maye, but the community is irrationally low on him because he is in NE, so I could see someone preferring to move up for Jayden.

In regards to your comment that MHJR is overvalued, I agree, but that’s where his value sits in the market.

It ended up going Daniels and Maye at 3 and 4. So I ended up getting who I consider the better WR at 5.

That’s pretty good value on Nabers at 5.

I think this is going to happen more than people think in 14+ team Superflex leagues. I prefer Nabers to either Daniels or Maye in a vacuum, but getting QBs is damn near impossible and I think it'd be irresponsible for me to leave the top of round 1 without adding a potential franchise QB given my current team/line-up. Imagine a lot of other managers are in similar boats...

[FantasyFreak]

Sorry, but don’t really think this is a bad offer.

I can't believe people think MHJ is worth close to this much. I'm actually baffled.

Out of curiosity to get a baseline, who are some current NFL receivers that you would have valued closely to MHJR?

Wilson off the top of my head. The tier below the top guys. As I said, my issue is that I don't think MHJ is in some tier of his own vs the players at his position in his own class, nor do I think he should be worth close to an early/mid first on top of Daniels/Maye or whoever is your QB2 and 3, in a 14 team Superflex. I guess a lot of people do though.

[BabyChark23]

I can't believe people think MHJ is worth close to this much. I'm actually baffled.

Out of curiosity to get a baseline, who are some current NFL receivers that you would have valued closely to MHJR?

Wilson off the top of my head. The tier below the top guys. As I said, my issue is that I don't think MHJ is in some tier of his own vs the players at his position in his own class, nor do I think he should be worth close to an early/mid first on top of Daniels/Maye or whoever is your QB2 and 3, in a 14 team Superflex. I guess a lot of people do though.

That makes sense. For me personally, Jefferson, Chase, Lamb, ARSB, and Puka should all easily be valued over him. Then you get down into the Wilson, AJB, Waddle, Aiyuk, Smith, Olave, Pittman type guys. He’s somewhere near the top of that tier for me.

[FantasyFreak]

12 team Superflex/3 RB league.

There's an extra 1.13 pick at the end of the first round.

Top 2 RB's were gone. Penix was the last QB left, and I was OTC at 2.02, for context. So pick 15.

Was offfered 3.01, 4.06 and 4.11 for 2.02 (Penix)

[thunderTung]

12 team Superflex/3 RB league.

There's an extra 1.13 pick at the end of the first round.

Top 2 RB's were gone. Penix was the last QB left, and I was OTC at 2.02, for context. So pick 15.

Was offfered 3.01, 4.06 and 4.11 for 2.02 (Penix)

In a Vaccuum I don't think this is terrible value, but in this draft in particular, the 4th round is DRY

[FantasyFreak]

12 team Superflex/3 RB league.

There's an extra 1.13 pick at the end of the first round.

Top 2 RB's were gone. Penix was the last QB left, and I was OTC at 2.02, for context. So pick 15.

Was offfered 3.01, 4.06 and 4.11 for 2.02 (Penix)

In a Vaccuum I don't think this is terrible value, but in this draft in particular, the 4th round is DRY

Top 8 NFL pick, starting QB in a superflex vs a day 3WR or RB, and a couple of late 4ths that will be UDFA/7th round type players?

I think it's a pretty bad offer, maybe not "terrible", but it's "bad" trade offers, not "terrible" trade offers.