Patrick Mahomes trade-window
Patrick Mahomes trade-window
At what point should Mahomes owners consider trading him away? when do you think the elite value will start fading? And what kind of value do think he has right now?
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Re: Patrick Mahomes trade-window
Certainly not trading him when his values at it's all time low. Wait until he gets some receivers.
Re: Patrick Mahomes trade-window
Yeah exactly, right...ButtFumbleCity wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 4:03 pm Certainly not trading him when his values at it's all time low. Wait until he gets some receivers.
Funny that this thread is titled "Patrick Mahomes trade-window" (which is currently as open as it's ever been, which is to say, barely cracked)
But then it's addressed to the owners? Like it's time for us to trade him away?
Nah man. We out here holdin' the 28yo 2x time Superbowl MVP. What, did his arm fall off?
You can't teach arm talent. He's not going anywhere for me... I plan to own him 'til his late 30's at least.
Re: Patrick Mahomes trade-window
Two years before he retires
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Re: Patrick Mahomes trade-window
Remember when people thought 50tds was his floor
Re: Patrick Mahomes trade-window
Remember when defenses adjusted to the new passing meta and no QB threw for more than 36 TD passes, causing overall scoring to be down across the league?
Remember when Pat Mahomes had the worst year of his career, throwing for over 4100 yards and finishing as the QB8 and people started making threads about selling him and getting out whilst the getting was good?
Remember when Mahomes had good weapons like Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce? Those were the days.
Remember when he won a Superbowl throwing touchdowns to Juju Smith Schuster and Marques Valdes Scantling and Skyy Moore anyway? Good times.
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Re: Patrick Mahomes trade-window
Remember he was going to catch Brady’s 7 rings?mild wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:06 pmRemember when defenses adjusted to the new passing meta and no QB threw for more than 36 TD passes, causing overall scoring to be down across the league?
Remember when Pat Mahomes had the worst year of his career, throwing for over 4100 yards and finishing as the QB8 and people started making threads about selling him and getting out whilst the getting was good?
Remember when Mahomes had good weapons like Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce? Those were the days.
Remember when he won a Superbowl throwing touchdowns to Juju Smith Schuster and Marques Valdes Scantling and Skyy Moore anyway? Good times.
(still love you DD )
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1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def
QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE
Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker
Picks
2024: 1.03, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
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Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex
QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert
Taxi: Willis, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Demercado, Vaughn
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2024: 1.08, 2.02
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5
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QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE
Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker
Picks
2024: 1.03, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
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Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex
QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert
Taxi: Willis, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Demercado, Vaughn
Picks
2024: 1.08, 2.02
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5
Re: Patrick Mahomes trade-window
I think he could hit 4 or 5 depending on how they build this team the next few years. However, the AFC has become a bloodbath and is littered with franchise QB. At least he plays in the AFC West, so playoff appearances will come easily.TheTroll wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:58 amRemember he was going to catch Brady’s 7 rings?mild wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:06 pmRemember when defenses adjusted to the new passing meta and no QB threw for more than 36 TD passes, causing overall scoring to be down across the league?
Remember when Pat Mahomes had the worst year of his career, throwing for over 4100 yards and finishing as the QB8 and people started making threads about selling him and getting out whilst the getting was good?
Remember when Mahomes had good weapons like Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce? Those were the days.
Remember when he won a Superbowl throwing touchdowns to Juju Smith Schuster and Marques Valdes Scantling and Skyy Moore anyway? Good times.
(still love you DD )
As for the premise of this thread, I can only assume this means I get even lighter low-ball offers this offseason
Re: Patrick Mahomes trade-window
Very true, but KC is as close to the next Dynasty as the NFL has at the moment, but the cracks in the foundation are starting to show. What really makes a true Dynasty, is how they seal them upJigga94 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 5:35 amI think he could hit 4 or 5 depending on how they build this team the next few years. However, the AFC has become a bloodbath and is littered with franchise QB. At least he plays in the AFC West, so playoff appearances will come easily.TheTroll wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:58 amRemember he was going to catch Brady’s 7 rings?mild wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:06 pm
Remember when defenses adjusted to the new passing meta and no QB threw for more than 36 TD passes, causing overall scoring to be down across the league?
Remember when Pat Mahomes had the worst year of his career, throwing for over 4100 yards and finishing as the QB8 and people started making threads about selling him and getting out whilst the getting was good?
Remember when Mahomes had good weapons like Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce? Those were the days.
Remember when he won a Superbowl throwing touchdowns to Juju Smith Schuster and Marques Valdes Scantling and Skyy Moore anyway? Good times.
(still love you DD )
As for the premise of this thread, I can only assume this means I get even lighter low-ball offers this offseason
Team 1
Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def
QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE
Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker
Picks
2024: 1.03, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Team 2
Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex
QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert
Taxi: Willis, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Demercado, Vaughn
Picks
2024: 1.08, 2.02
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5
Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def
QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE
Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker
Picks
2024: 1.03, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Team 2
Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex
QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert
Taxi: Willis, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Demercado, Vaughn
Picks
2024: 1.08, 2.02
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5
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Re: Patrick Mahomes trade-window
Likely his best season per game. 17 now, but Tyreek, and Kelce is their prime. NFL wasn't ready for it. Mahomes floor is super high, but doubtful he's ever going to get the equivalent of those 2 again, and what they did to make that offense so potent. Andy is getting up there, too. Post Reid, it will be interesting to see who the Chiefs employ.
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Re: Patrick Mahomes trade-window
Just like Brady played in the AFC East when most years the competition was all non-playoff caliber teams. Part of winning multiple superbowls is getting into the playoffs regularly. Brady had a constant on-ramp to the AFC East title, just as Mahomes looks set up to be able to help KC win repeat AFC West titles. Should be funner to watch Mahomes repeatedly march into the playoff than it was for me to suffer through Brady getting in every year.
Fluctuations in roster talent will happen. They happened in NE also. Then NE signs Moss and *poof* instant quality receiver. Then NE signs Corey Dillon and *poof* instant all-star caliber RB. Then NE drafts Gronk and *poof* TE is solved again. It's easy for a smart GM to fill out rosters when the team has a T3QB making everyone else better.
I'm sure KC will fill in the cracks very well. Quality organizations don't waste all-time great QB talent.
Getting back to the original questions.
When to trade Mahomes? When you get an offer of three young studs and three early 1sts. Or when you've decided you don't want your fantasy team to have the best chance to win.
When will Mahomes talent/value fade? Sometime around 2032.
Current value? As high as any fantasy QB today and probably higher than every other QB.
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WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
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TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
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TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
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Re: Patrick Mahomes trade-window
Remember the time Bobby Boucher showed up at halftime and the Mud Dogs won the Bourbon Bowl, do ya?TheTroll wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:58 amRemember he was going to catch Brady’s 7 rings?mild wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:06 pmRemember when defenses adjusted to the new passing meta and no QB threw for more than 36 TD passes, causing overall scoring to be down across the league?
Remember when Pat Mahomes had the worst year of his career, throwing for over 4100 yards and finishing as the QB8 and people started making threads about selling him and getting out whilst the getting was good?
Remember when Mahomes had good weapons like Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce? Those were the days.
Remember when he won a Superbowl throwing touchdowns to Juju Smith Schuster and Marques Valdes Scantling and Skyy Moore anyway? Good times.
(still love you DD )
Nah but seriously, I'd move Mahomes now. If you give me 3 firsts and a QB with upgrade at RB or WR, sure. That window is ready for someone to climb on in.
I think Rashee Rice is on the road to being a solid WR1 for Mahomes. Maybe...
12 team
1/2 PPR
Start: 1QB, 2RB, 1 R/W/T, 3W/T, 1SF, 1K, 1 DEF
QB: Mahomes, Burrow, Lawrence
RB: Bijan Robinson, J. Taylor, Etienne, B. Hall, Roschon Johnson, Najee
WR/TE: J. Jefferson, D. Samuel, AJ Brown, DJ Moore, J. Chase, Waddle, Nico Collins, Rashee Rice
K: Butker
DEF: Bills
2024 picks: 1.11, 3.04
2025 picks: 1st, two 2nds
12 team
1/2 ppr
Start: 1QB, 2RB, 1R/W/T, 3 W/T, 1SF
QB: Mahomes, Josh Allen, Aidan O'Connell, Mason Rudolph
RB: Javonte Williams, Barkley, Etienne, D. Foreman, K. Herbert, N. Harris, Chris Rodriguez
WR/TE: D. Adams, DJ Moore, Puca Nacua, DK Metcalf, Waddle, Pittman, Drake London, ARSB
2024 picks: 1.10, 2.01, 2.12, 3.05, 3.11, 4.02, 4.04, 4.09, 4.10, 4.11, 5.01 5.05
2025 picks: three 2nds
1/2 PPR
Start: 1QB, 2RB, 1 R/W/T, 3W/T, 1SF, 1K, 1 DEF
QB: Mahomes, Burrow, Lawrence
RB: Bijan Robinson, J. Taylor, Etienne, B. Hall, Roschon Johnson, Najee
WR/TE: J. Jefferson, D. Samuel, AJ Brown, DJ Moore, J. Chase, Waddle, Nico Collins, Rashee Rice
K: Butker
DEF: Bills
2024 picks: 1.11, 3.04
2025 picks: 1st, two 2nds
12 team
1/2 ppr
Start: 1QB, 2RB, 1R/W/T, 3 W/T, 1SF
QB: Mahomes, Josh Allen, Aidan O'Connell, Mason Rudolph
RB: Javonte Williams, Barkley, Etienne, D. Foreman, K. Herbert, N. Harris, Chris Rodriguez
WR/TE: D. Adams, DJ Moore, Puca Nacua, DK Metcalf, Waddle, Pittman, Drake London, ARSB
2024 picks: 1.10, 2.01, 2.12, 3.05, 3.11, 4.02, 4.04, 4.09, 4.10, 4.11, 5.01 5.05
2025 picks: three 2nds
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Re: Patrick Mahomes trade-window
In the middle of a start-up draft now:
1.01 Josh Allen
1.02 Jalen Hurts
1.03 CJ Stroud
1.04 Joe Burrow
1.05 Patrick Mahomes
1.01 Josh Allen
1.02 Jalen Hurts
1.03 CJ Stroud
1.04 Joe Burrow
1.05 Patrick Mahomes
Re: Patrick Mahomes trade-window
This kind of evaluation is wild.Anteaters wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 5:34 am Getting back to the original questions.
When to trade Mahomes? When you get an offer of three young studs and three early 1sts. Or when you've decided you don't want your fantasy team to have the best chance to win.
When will Mahomes talent/value fade? Sometime around 2032.
Current value? As high as any fantasy QB today and probably higher than every other QB.
If you're trying to win you'd much rather have 3 stud players than a top 5 QB in any given season. There's no world you're also gettin 3 early 1sts on top of that for a QB.
QBs have quietly become the most overrated assets in Dynasty because a lot of their value comes from projecting out 5-10 years which is just not a winning mindset.
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