Dynasty Tight End Tiers Going Into 2024?

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Re: Dynasty Tight End Tiers Going Into 2024?

Postby Big Al » Wed Jan 17, 2024 8:25 am

How about Cade Otton in the bottom tier?

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Re: Dynasty Tight End Tiers Going Into 2024?

Postby CGW » Wed Jan 17, 2024 8:41 am

Big Al wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 8:25 am How about Cade Otton in the bottom tier?
Speculative add. He is getting good volume and full snap share. I think you are going to need to see some vacated targets for him to get any sort of bump into a useful fantasy TE.

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Re: Dynasty Tight End Tiers Going Into 2024?

Postby tstafford » Wed Jan 17, 2024 9:24 am

CGW wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 8:41 am
Big Al wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 8:25 am How about Cade Otton in the bottom tier?
Speculative add. He is getting good volume and full snap share. I think you are going to need to see some vacated targets for him to get any sort of bump into a useful fantasy TE.
Did you see that Higbee has a torn ACL?

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Postby frerichs5 » Wed Jan 17, 2024 10:10 am

tstafford wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 9:24 am
CGW wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 8:41 am
Big Al wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 8:25 am How about Cade Otton in the bottom tier?
Speculative add. He is getting good volume and full snap share. I think you are going to need to see some vacated targets for him to get any sort of bump into a useful fantasy TE.
Did you see that Higbee has a torn ACL?
What does Higbee have to do with Otton? Or are you just saying that moves Otton up a spot in the TE ranks?

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Re: Dynasty Tight End Tiers Going Into 2024?

Postby tstafford » Wed Jan 17, 2024 10:24 am

frerichs5 wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 10:10 am
tstafford wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 9:24 am
CGW wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 8:41 am

Speculative add. He is getting good volume and full snap share. I think you are going to need to see some vacated targets for him to get any sort of bump into a useful fantasy TE.
Did you see that Higbee has a torn ACL?
What does Higbee have to do with Otton? Or are you just saying that moves Otton up a spot in the TE ranks?
Absolutely nothing. I thought it was in reference to my post about Davis Allen. My bad!

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Postby Payton34 » Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:20 am

tstafford wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 10:24 am
frerichs5 wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 10:10 am
tstafford wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 9:24 am

Did you see that Higbee has a torn ACL?
What does Higbee have to do with Otton? Or are you just saying that moves Otton up a spot in the TE ranks?
Absolutely nothing. I thought it was in reference to my post about Davis Allen. My bad!
I had just cut Davis Allen to finalize my offseason roster too… He looked really good a few weeks ago with no Higbee.
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Postby StripesOfKC » Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:31 am

I forgot about Ferguson---yeah he's in the middle of that bottom tier to me

Otton mixed in there too

Not trying to disrespect any player but I don't think too many hairs should be split once you get that far down and the elite upside starts to dry up (and I don't believe either have elite upside)

Any capable starter will do and TD variance will dictate their finish

As for Bowers I think he will be bottom of tier 1 for me on draft night unless the spot is awful. Or at least top of tier 2

I think he's that good. Hard to find many TEs this dominant and productive in college with the draft capital and (assumed) athleticism. Pretty much a spotless profile besides him being a TE and thus inherently a bit dependent on scheme

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Re: Dynasty Tight End Tiers Going Into 2024?

Postby Jigga94 » Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:53 am

StripesOfKC wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:31 am I think he's that good. Hard to find many TEs this dominant and productive in college with the draft capital and (assumed) athleticism. Pretty much a spotless profile besides him being a TE and thus inherently a bit dependent on scheme
I'm on board here. Bowers has had a ridiculous career so far. Highly recruited out of HS. Dominated as a freshman with 56/882/13 and an extra 56 yards and TD rushing also. Won the SEC FR of the year. Was also 1st team All SEC all 3 years and won the Mackey in 22 and 23. Pitts was a great prospect, but not as decorated as Bowers.

He should be valued higher than Pitts right now. I like Pitts, his athleticism and the freakish WR abilities he has. While I agree that he has had injury and scheme issues, I also think he suffers from being out of position in a way. He's not as versatile of a TE as Bowers. That isn't to say Pitts can't be great as a WR playing TE, but he may be more reliant on the scheme.

Still hesitant on taking Bowers very early, but he sems as bulletproof a TE prospect as there ever was. I would not be surprised if we are talking about him being one of the all time greats when all said and done. I get that TE hit rates are rough and all, but I don't see myself taking Odunze over Bowers anywhere as of now

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Re: Dynasty Tight End Tiers Going Into 2024?

Postby tstafford » Fri Jan 19, 2024 6:23 pm

Jigga94 wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:53 am Still hesitant on taking Bowers very early, but he sems as bulletproof a TE prospect as there ever was. I would not be surprised if we are talking about him being one of the all time greats when all said and done. I get that TE hit rates are rough and all, but I don't see myself taking Odunze over Bowers anywhere as of now
Sounds like you are relatively high on Bowers. In SF (PPR, non-TEP) are you taking him over either Maye or Daniels?

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Postby StripesOfKC » Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:19 pm

tstafford wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 6:23 pm
Jigga94 wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:53 am Still hesitant on taking Bowers very early, but he sems as bulletproof a TE prospect as there ever was. I would not be surprised if we are talking about him being one of the all time greats when all said and done. I get that TE hit rates are rough and all, but I don't see myself taking Odunze over Bowers anywhere as of now
Sounds like you are relatively high on Bowers. In SF (PPR, non-TEP) are you taking him over either Maye or Daniels?
No

Don't see much of an argument either. If you need a TE and are set at QB trade out

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Re: Dynasty Tight End Tiers Going Into 2024?

Postby TheTroll » Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:33 pm

StripesOfKC wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:19 pm
tstafford wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 6:23 pm
Jigga94 wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:53 am Still hesitant on taking Bowers very early, but he sems as bulletproof a TE prospect as there ever was. I would not be surprised if we are talking about him being one of the all time greats when all said and done. I get that TE hit rates are rough and all, but I don't see myself taking Odunze over Bowers anywhere as of now
Sounds like you are relatively high on Bowers. In SF (PPR, non-TEP) are you taking him over either Maye or Daniels?
No

Don't see much of an argument either. If you need a TE and are set at QB trade out
I’d agree, but if you Jigga are dead set on Bowers, go get your guy. In SF the BPA is a QB but who is not to say you won’t have the last laugh. I feel you could trade back a smidge and still get Bowers and increase your draft capital.
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Re: Dynasty Tight End Tiers Going Into 2024?

Postby Mike11 » Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:46 pm

TheTroll wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:33 pm
StripesOfKC wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:19 pm
tstafford wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 6:23 pm

Sounds like you are relatively high on Bowers. In SF (PPR, non-TEP) are you taking him over either Maye or Daniels?
No

Don't see much of an argument either. If you need a TE and are set at QB trade out
I’d agree, but if you Jigga are dead set on Bowers, go get your guy. In SF the BPA is a QB but who is not to say you won’t have the last laugh. I feel you could trade back a smidge and still get Bowers and increase your draft capital.
I think in non-TEP the harder choice is gonna be Bowers vs Odunze and company at WR honestly.
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Re: Dynasty Tight End Tiers Going Into 2024?

Postby TheTroll » Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:48 pm

Mike11 wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:46 pm
TheTroll wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:33 pm
StripesOfKC wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:19 pm

No

Don't see much of an argument either. If you need a TE and are set at QB trade out
I’d agree, but if you Jigga are dead set on Bowers, go get your guy. In SF the BPA is a QB but who is not to say you won’t have the last laugh. I feel you could trade back a smidge and still get Bowers and increase your draft capital.
I think in non-TEP the harder choice is gonna be Bowers vs Odunze and company honestly.
That’s what the smart money says and I feel the same way.
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Re: Dynasty Tight End Tiers Going Into 2024?

Postby tstafford » Sat Jan 20, 2024 4:24 am

TheTroll wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:48 pm
Mike11 wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:46 pm
TheTroll wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:33 pm

I’d agree, but if you Jigga are dead set on Bowers, go get your guy. In SF the BPA is a QB but who is not to say you won’t have the last laugh. I feel you could trade back a smidge and still get Bowers and increase your draft capital.
I think in non-TEP the harder choice is gonna be Bowers vs Odunze and company honestly.
That’s what the smart money says and I feel the same way.
Right. That's what Jigga said in the post I responded to. I was asking him if Bowers was higher (on his board) than either Maye/Daniels. Trying to see how far up he ranks Bowers.

FWIW - I'm not taking a TE in non-TEP over any of the top-6. At 1.07 maybe, maybe not.

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Re: Dynasty Tight End Tiers Going Into 2024?

Postby Jigga94 » Sat Jan 20, 2024 6:37 pm

tstafford wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 6:23 pm
Jigga94 wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:53 am Still hesitant on taking Bowers very early, but he sems as bulletproof a TE prospect as there ever was. I would not be surprised if we are talking about him being one of the all time greats when all said and done. I get that TE hit rates are rough and all, but I don't see myself taking Odunze over Bowers anywhere as of now
Sounds like you are relatively high on Bowers. In SF (PPR, non-TEP) are you taking him over either Maye or Daniels?
I need landing spots of course and formats will matter a bit here (# of starters is equally as important as TEP. TE is much less valuable in a league that starts 10+ vs a league that starts 8)

I mostly play SF/2QB and no TEP. Usually 8-10 starters. CW, MHJ, Maye and Nabers are above Bowers likely no matter what. I can see the case for Bowers at 1.05 though over Daniels if he doesn't get the draft cap or landing spot. I'm not convinced he's a top 10 pick, but we will see. He could go to a good spot if he falls a little too. Odunze is the other name most are taking over Bowers and I like him also, but WR are a dime a dozen these days.

I have the 1.05 in a league where I have built around QBs and WRs. I'm really considering Bowers here even though I've been against drafting rookie TE in the past. Of course will do my due diligence and trade out if possible. I just think Bowers is an Elite prospect and likely the best I've ever seen. Pitts was great. I liked Hockenson. There's been many other solid 1st round TE that have had wide ranges of careers. Bowers is on a different level imo. People are discounting the position (rightfully so), but has it gone too far? Is Bowers a slam dunk at a position that is nearly impossible to get an Elite talent? To have him behind Daniels or Odunze already seems a bit early to me, based on talent alone, but I can also see the case for them becoming the better fantasy assets.

I don't mean to be driving this Bowers Bus, as I've been trashing on drafting rookie TE for a while lol. I think he could be the exception to the rule though.


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