For team 1 in sig. In this league, QB's get .25 per pass completed, so QB's do have slightly more value than a standard league. 4 pts per TD, -1 per interception.
I am negotiating with an owner who has both Mahomes and Howell. Howell will be less expensive and is outscoring Mahomes by quite a bit in this format. He is interested in Higgins. What is the gap between the 2 in this format? I was think something around a late 1st/early 2nd.
I do have the depth to trade Higgins without harming my chance at the title this year (I have JJ/AJ Brown/Diggs) and currently having to roll out Geno Smith now that Watson is on IR. This is killing my total points and I have lost a few close matches I should have easily won.
He offered Howell and C Godwin for Higgins, which I turned down. He does have Spears but not sure if I can pry that away from him.
Thoughts on what the value difference is would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Difference between Higgins and Howell (1/4 ppc)
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Difference between Higgins and Howell (1/4 ppc)
Team 1. 12 team. 1 PPR. 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 FLEX 2017 2nd, 2018 2nd, 2019 1st, 2020 1st, 2021 2nd, 2022 1st
QB - Watson, G. Smith
RB - Henry, Ekeler, Kamara, D. Pierce, AJ Dillon, J. McLaughlin, Gainwell
WR - J. Jefferson, Diggs, AJ Brown, T. Higgins, M. Thomas, Cooks, Bateman, R. Moore, C. Tillman, J. Hyatt, D. Parker
TE - Kelce, J. Ferguson
2024 - 1,2,3,4,5
2025 - 1,2,3,4,5
Team 2. 12 team. .5 PPR. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 FLEX 2019 1st, 2020 1st, 2021 2nd, 2023 Full rebuild mode
QB - Tua
RB - T. Spears, Z. Charbonnet, C. Hubbard, R. Rivers, D. Vaughn, J. Kelly, Chubb (IR)
WR - London, J. Downs, R. Rice, Burks, J. Jeudy, A. Pierce, C. Tillman, R. Bell, D. Parker, D. Slayton, Cooks
TE - J. Ferguson
2024 - 1,1,1,2,2,2
2025 - 1,1,2,2,5
QB - Watson, G. Smith
RB - Henry, Ekeler, Kamara, D. Pierce, AJ Dillon, J. McLaughlin, Gainwell
WR - J. Jefferson, Diggs, AJ Brown, T. Higgins, M. Thomas, Cooks, Bateman, R. Moore, C. Tillman, J. Hyatt, D. Parker
TE - Kelce, J. Ferguson
2024 - 1,2,3,4,5
2025 - 1,2,3,4,5
Team 2. 12 team. .5 PPR. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 FLEX 2019 1st, 2020 1st, 2021 2nd, 2023 Full rebuild mode
QB - Tua
RB - T. Spears, Z. Charbonnet, C. Hubbard, R. Rivers, D. Vaughn, J. Kelly, Chubb (IR)
WR - London, J. Downs, R. Rice, Burks, J. Jeudy, A. Pierce, C. Tillman, R. Bell, D. Parker, D. Slayton, Cooks
TE - J. Ferguson
2024 - 1,1,1,2,2,2
2025 - 1,1,2,2,5
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Re: Difference between Higgins and Howell (1/4 ppc)
I would have no idea how to value QBs given the scoring and it seems like they would put up big numbers weekly. I think Godwin could move on and land possibly in a better spot for his skill set. If QBs are big producers, seems like the original offer of Howell + Godwin is a pretty good deal for you. Moving Higgins at this point is a gamble because he has shown well in the past and may end up getting a shot to be the WR1 somewhere in the near future.
To help with understanding the value of QBs a bit more, what is a pretty normal game scoring wise for a solid QB?
To help with understanding the value of QBs a bit more, what is a pretty normal game scoring wise for a solid QB?
Re: Difference between Higgins and Howell (1/4 ppc)
Admitting I may not fully understand the scoring, I would gladly trade Higgins for Howell+Godwin if I thought Howell put me back in range to win a title.
Godwin is practically a scoring equal of Higgins, so it's like getting your QB for free.
Godwin is practically a scoring equal of Higgins, so it's like getting your QB for free.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, CWilliams
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JFord, Corum, JWright
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, Q Johnston, DeDouglas, MCorley
TE: Goedert, Okongwo
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, DLloyd; (DE/DL) Sieler; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, Singletary, AJD, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, VJefferson, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, CWilliams
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JFord, Corum, JWright
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, Q Johnston, DeDouglas, MCorley
TE: Goedert, Okongwo
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, DLloyd; (DE/DL) Sieler; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, Singletary, AJD, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, VJefferson, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
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Re: Difference between Higgins and Howell (1/4 ppc)
So in this league, Howell is currently 3rd in points amongst QB's. His last 5 weeks have been 41.73, 25.95, 31.93, 28.49, 25.30Gator Sens wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:38 am I would have no idea how to value QBs given the scoring and it seems like they would put up big numbers weekly. I think Godwin could move on and land possibly in a better spot for his skill set. If QBs are big producers, seems like the original offer of Howell + Godwin is a pretty good deal for you. Moving Higgins at this point is a gamble because he has shown well in the past and may end up getting a shot to be the WR1 somewhere in the near future.
To help with understanding the value of QBs a bit more, what is a pretty normal game scoring wise for a solid QB?
In my other dynasty league with standard scoring, Howell is currently 22nd in points amongst QB's. His last 5 weeks in the standard league is 30.98, 17.70, 24.18, 17.74, 17.30.
So with how much he is passing, it makes a huge difference in this league.
Problem is, I am just really worried about Godwin. He's 27 and even if he is starting fresh on a new team next year I still have concerns.
Team 1. 12 team. 1 PPR. 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 FLEX 2017 2nd, 2018 2nd, 2019 1st, 2020 1st, 2021 2nd, 2022 1st
QB - Watson, G. Smith
RB - Henry, Ekeler, Kamara, D. Pierce, AJ Dillon, J. McLaughlin, Gainwell
WR - J. Jefferson, Diggs, AJ Brown, T. Higgins, M. Thomas, Cooks, Bateman, R. Moore, C. Tillman, J. Hyatt, D. Parker
TE - Kelce, J. Ferguson
2024 - 1,2,3,4,5
2025 - 1,2,3,4,5
Team 2. 12 team. .5 PPR. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 FLEX 2019 1st, 2020 1st, 2021 2nd, 2023 Full rebuild mode
QB - Tua
RB - T. Spears, Z. Charbonnet, C. Hubbard, R. Rivers, D. Vaughn, J. Kelly, Chubb (IR)
WR - London, J. Downs, R. Rice, Burks, J. Jeudy, A. Pierce, C. Tillman, R. Bell, D. Parker, D. Slayton, Cooks
TE - J. Ferguson
2024 - 1,1,1,2,2,2
2025 - 1,1,2,2,5
QB - Watson, G. Smith
RB - Henry, Ekeler, Kamara, D. Pierce, AJ Dillon, J. McLaughlin, Gainwell
WR - J. Jefferson, Diggs, AJ Brown, T. Higgins, M. Thomas, Cooks, Bateman, R. Moore, C. Tillman, J. Hyatt, D. Parker
TE - Kelce, J. Ferguson
2024 - 1,2,3,4,5
2025 - 1,2,3,4,5
Team 2. 12 team. .5 PPR. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 FLEX 2019 1st, 2020 1st, 2021 2nd, 2023 Full rebuild mode
QB - Tua
RB - T. Spears, Z. Charbonnet, C. Hubbard, R. Rivers, D. Vaughn, J. Kelly, Chubb (IR)
WR - London, J. Downs, R. Rice, Burks, J. Jeudy, A. Pierce, C. Tillman, R. Bell, D. Parker, D. Slayton, Cooks
TE - J. Ferguson
2024 - 1,1,1,2,2,2
2025 - 1,1,2,2,5
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Re: Difference between Higgins and Howell (1/4 ppc)
Pretty solid bump for QBs in your look then. I still think the value is there based on the scoring, but I also still view Godwin as a solid flex option. If you think Higgins bounces back to a top 12-15 WR after a tough year, I get holding but this seems like a good deal to me. I can see Godwin and Higgins scoring similar moving forward for the next year or two, but obviously Higgins his the age factor.Trevormortis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:50 amSo in this league, Howell is currently 3rd in points amongst QB's. His last 5 weeks have been 41.73, 25.95, 31.93, 28.49, 25.30Gator Sens wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:38 am I would have no idea how to value QBs given the scoring and it seems like they would put up big numbers weekly. I think Godwin could move on and land possibly in a better spot for his skill set. If QBs are big producers, seems like the original offer of Howell + Godwin is a pretty good deal for you. Moving Higgins at this point is a gamble because he has shown well in the past and may end up getting a shot to be the WR1 somewhere in the near future.
To help with understanding the value of QBs a bit more, what is a pretty normal game scoring wise for a solid QB?
In my other dynasty league with standard scoring, Howell is currently 22nd in points amongst QB's. His last 5 weeks in the standard league is 30.98, 17.70, 24.18, 17.74, 17.30.
So with how much he is passing, it makes a huge difference in this league.
Problem is, I am just really worried about Godwin. He's 27 and even if he is starting fresh on a new team next year I still have concerns.
Re: Difference between Higgins and Howell (1/4 ppc)
Without fully understanding the scoring, and being a huge Higgins fan.
The offer of Howell and Godwin seems good return for higgins
The offer of Howell and Godwin seems good return for higgins
12 Team 1 pt PPR
1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 3Flex 1K
QB Kyler Tua, McCarthy
RB Bijan, Gibbs, Jamaal, CEH, Allgeier, Brown, Guerendo
WR Hill, JJ, AJB, Keenan, Reed Thielen, Boyd, Iosivas, Odunze, Corley
TE Hockenson Ferguson,
K Elliot
1DT 2DE 3LB 1CB 2S 1Flex
DT Zach Allen, Clark, Armstead
DE Crosby, Van Ness, Turner, Wonnum, Diaby
LB Greenlaw, Kendricks, Bernard, Mosley, McFadden, Overshown, Cashman, Henley, Luifau
CB Stream
S Bynum, Blankenship fuller, grant, Nubin
2025 2, 3 ,6
1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 3Flex 1K
QB Kyler Tua, McCarthy
RB Bijan, Gibbs, Jamaal, CEH, Allgeier, Brown, Guerendo
WR Hill, JJ, AJB, Keenan, Reed Thielen, Boyd, Iosivas, Odunze, Corley
TE Hockenson Ferguson,
K Elliot
1DT 2DE 3LB 1CB 2S 1Flex
DT Zach Allen, Clark, Armstead
DE Crosby, Van Ness, Turner, Wonnum, Diaby
LB Greenlaw, Kendricks, Bernard, Mosley, McFadden, Overshown, Cashman, Henley, Luifau
CB Stream
S Bynum, Blankenship fuller, grant, Nubin
2025 2, 3 ,6
Re: Difference between Higgins and Howell (1/4 ppc)
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Team 1
Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def
QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE
Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker
Picks
2024: 1.03, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Team 2
Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex
QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert
Taxi: Mitchell, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Douglas, Vaughn
Picks
2024: 1.08, 3.02, 3.09
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5
Dynasty 10 team, 22 roster + 6 Taxi, PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, K, Def
QB: Love, Goff, Fields
RB: Bijan, Montgomery, Kamara, Ford, K Herbert, Zeke, Mattison
WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
TE: Kincaid, Kittle, Freiermuth
K: Tucker, Sanders
DEF: CLE
Taxi: Charbs, K Mitchell, Demercado, QJ, D Douglas, W Robinson, Hooker
Picks
2024: 1.03, 3.06, 3.09, 4.09
2025: 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Team 2
Dynasty 10 team, 22 man roster + 6 Taxi, PPR, SF and TEP
1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 S Flex
QB: Allen, Goff, Watson, Jones
RB: K Williams, B Robinson, Chubb, Ford, Mostert, A Gibson, Dillon, Pierce, Zeke
WR: Olave, T Hill, Addison, D Adams, C Watson, D Johnson, G Davis, OBJ
TE: Kincaid, Kmet, Goedert
Taxi: Mitchell, DTR, Mims, K Miller, Douglas, Vaughn
Picks
2024: 1.08, 3.02, 3.09
2025: 1, 3, 4, 5
2026: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5
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