Thoughts on a new way to determine draft order for teams who miss the playoffs

[ThirdWW]

Getting a league going this summer and came up with an interesting way to determine draft order for the bottoms teams. We run a toilet bowl, where the losing team moves on, but your opponent sets your lineup. This ensures optimal lineups are set and the true worst teams get the best picks. Also adds a fun element. If the team traded away their first, then whoever owns that would set the lineup for that teams opponent. To eliminate the possibility of a manger wanting to make a change and a team not making the change in time, I could allow owners to make the desired change public and I can go in and change it. I’ve done regular season record, consolation bracket and lottery before, but I feel like this could be the most fair. Let me know your thoughts and any hurdles I may be missing.

A vs B - A sets lineup for B and vice versa

A vs B but C owns the pick of B - A sets lineup for B and C sets lineup for A

[Lumps]

Getting a league going this summer and came up with an interesting way to determine draft order for the bottoms teams. We run a toilet bowl, where the losing team moves on, but your opponent sets your lineup. This ensures optimal lineups are set and the true worst teams get the best picks. Also adds a fun element. If the team traded away their first, then whoever owns that would set the lineup for that teams opponent. To eliminate the possibility of a manger wanting to make a change and a team not making the change in time, I could allow owners to make the desired change public and I can go in and change it. I’ve done regular season record, consolation bracket and lottery before, but I feel like this could be the most fair. Let me know your thoughts and any hurdles I may be missing.

A vs B - A sets lineup for B and vice versa

A vs B but C owns the pick of B - A sets lineup for B and C sets lineup for A

My initial concern was alleviated by the letting other owners make picks when it's traded. As long as this isn't a devy league or some other variant that could lead to problems - in a devy one owner may own the rookie pick and another owns the devy - this seems interesting. It's a bit... convoluted... but if you are the commish and willing to do the work it's better than a toilet bowl as they currently stand.

I don't know if it's possible, but it may be simpler if it could be set up even on a separate site, to just go best ball for the toilet bowl portion. Though, it's more fun to make people set lineups and deal with their own repercussions.

[Pac_Eddy]

I like it. It does remove the fear of not setting the best lineup. If you're not setting the non playoff team draft order by potential points, I think this is the next best idea.

[ThirdWW]

Getting a league going this summer and came up with an interesting way to determine draft order for the bottoms teams. We run a toilet bowl, where the losing team moves on, but your opponent sets your lineup. This ensures optimal lineups are set and the true worst teams get the best picks. Also adds a fun element. If the team traded away their first, then whoever owns that would set the lineup for that teams opponent. To eliminate the possibility of a manger wanting to make a change and a team not making the change in time, I could allow owners to make the desired change public and I can go in and change it. I’ve done regular season record, consolation bracket and lottery before, but I feel like this could be the most fair. Let me know your thoughts and any hurdles I may be missing.

A vs B - A sets lineup for B and vice versa

A vs B but C owns the pick of B - A sets lineup for B and C sets lineup for A

My initial concern was alleviated by the letting other owners make picks when it's traded. As long as this isn't a devy league or some other variant that could lead to problems - in a devy one owner may own the rookie pick and another owns the devy - this seems interesting. It's a bit... convoluted... but if you are the commish and willing to do the work it's better than a toilet bowl as they currently stand.

I don't know if it's possible, but it may be simpler if it could be set up even on a separate site, to just go best ball for the toilet bowl portion. Though, it's more fun to make people set lineups and deal with their own repercussions.

This was my thought as well. It’s friends league so there’s always bleep talk in our GroupMe chat. A fun way to keep owners engaged.

[Shoreline Steamers]

Gotta say, I"m going to copy the OP and present it to my league as a way to move off of the regular season worst record automatically getting the 1.01, and discourage tanking. I think this is a very creative twist, and takes away another layer where people looking to tank could do so.

"Try and suck for the 1.01? Fine. Someone else will be setting your lineup." If their team is actually pretty good, chances are it won't work.

[Pac_Eddy]

Gotta say, I"m going to copy the OP and present it to my league as a way to move off of the regular season worst record automatically getting the 1.01, and discourage tanking. I think this is a very creative twist, and takes away another layer where people looking to tank could do so.

"Try and suck for the 1.01? Fine. Someone else will be setting your lineup." If their team is actually pretty good, chances are it won't work.

Why do you not use potential points in that league? Is your league insisting on a non-playoff team bracket?

[Yarnith]

I think your simpler and better option is to make the toilet bowl bracket best ball games and forgo setting lineups entirely.

[Ice]

Gotta say, I"m going to copy the OP and present it to my league as a way to move off of the regular season worst record automatically getting the 1.01, and discourage tanking. I think this is a very creative twist, and takes away another layer where people looking to tank could do so.

"Try and suck for the 1.01? Fine. Someone else will be setting your lineup." If their team is actually pretty good, chances are it won't work.

Why do you not use potential points in that league? Is your league insisting on a non-playoff team bracket?

Potential Points for non Playoff teams is so easy and makes way too much sense for many.

It eliminates lineup issues, tracks weekly so even offsets trades to a degree and shows which teams have the best roster regardless of the coach.

Some other owner setting my lineups is insulting.

[Pac_Eddy]

I think your simpler and better option is to make the toilet bowl bracket best ball games and forgo setting lineups entirely.

Great point. I changed my mind. If you aren't doing the potential points thing, this is the best way to have a losers bracket.

[Ice]

I think your simpler and better option is to make the toilet bowl bracket best ball games and forgo setting lineups entirely.

Great point. I changed my mind. If you aren't doing the potential points thing, this is the best way to have a losers bracket.

Agree that option would also work and be fun for non playoff teams!

[Ruggenater]

If your goal is to have the worst team get the 1.01, then the most fair way I see to feasibly do that is season long potential points.

This sounds like a potential entertainment-adder to the playoff weeks for non-playoff teams, but either proposed solution (opponents setting lineups or bestball scoring) runs the risk of week-to-week randomness resulting in a win and therefore a worse draft pick for the worse team.

[grandmabetty]

What the heck is the potential points setup?

[mild]

What the heck is the potential points setup?

It's like Best Ball.

Whatever your highest scoring lineup possibility for the week was - is counted as your "Potential Points".

By using it to set reverse-standings Draft Order, you effectively eliminate tanking, and you reward the most "truly" weak roster.

[killer_of_giants]

What the heck is the potential points setup?

It's like Best Ball.

Whatever your highest scoring lineup possibility for the week was - is counted as your "Potential Points".

By using it to set reverse-standings Draft Order, you effectively eliminate tanking, and you reward the most "truly" weak roster.

it has its flaws (boom or bust players can screw you, it does not account for how good a manager is at setting his lineup) but it's the easier way to do it for the commissioner.


as for OP idea, yeah it seems fun, especially in a friends league, i'd give it a go and see how it shakes out.

[ThirdWW]

Appreciate the feedback. I agree reverse max PF or best ball is technically more fair, but I think setting the lineups is adds a different element and could be fun. Allows owners to shoot themselves in the foot, just in a different way for those teams in the playoffs.