RB Premium?

[Lumps]

I have had an issue with PPR in general since the passing game has exploded. I’d probably argue that the full PPR for WRs should be toned down. I loathe the notion someone could score positively on a 5 yard loss hitch route.

Likewise PPC seems like a similarly poor work around. What are we gonna do points for passing attempts too?

I have toyed with the idea of point(s) for first down. To me that seems more indicative of NFL value, at least theoretically.

We reward completions and penalize incompletions. QBs also are penalized for sacks taken and sack yardage. There’s nothing wrong with some creative scoring if you are on a platform that supports it.

Sure, that makes sense because it’s rewarding efficiency. But then, certain risk adverse QBs that dump off to RBs might be disproportionately rewarded - kind of like hitch catches that lose yardage scoring positive points.

That said, I’m all for rewarding the actual good players rather than propping things up with easily scored items.

I’m interested in the sack scoring playing out. Does this counteract the running QBs? Late career Peyton comes to mind too - when he used to fall on the ground rather than get hit.

Can you list the top 12 QBs and their scores?

[murphysxm]

I ask this question. Which player most helps their team?

Player A. 15 carries, 75 yards and a TD. (13 fantasy points)
Player B. 5 catches. 75 yards and a TD. (18 fantasy)
Player C. 1 catch. 80 yards and a TD (15 points)

It is a preference pick to me.

[Bronco Billy]

I have had an issue with PPR in general since the passing game has exploded. I’d probably argue that the full PPR for WRs should be toned down. I loathe the notion someone could score positively on a 5 yard loss hitch route.

Likewise PPC seems like a similarly poor work around. What are we gonna do points for passing attempts too?

I have toyed with the idea of point(s) for first down. To me that seems more indicative of NFL value, at least theoretically.

We reward completions and penalize incompletions. QBs also are penalized for sacks taken and sack yardage. There’s nothing wrong with some creative scoring if you are on a platform that supports it.

Sure, that makes sense because it’s rewarding efficiency. But then, certain risk adverse QBs that dump off to RBs might be disproportionately rewarded - kind of like hitch catches that lose yardage scoring positive points.

That said, I’m all for rewarding the actual good players rather than propping things up with easily scored items.

I’m interested in the sack scoring playing out. Does this counteract the running QBs? Late career Peyton comes to mind too - when he used to fall on the ground rather than get hit.

Can you list the top 12 QBs and their scores?

Top 12 QBs ranked by ppw

# PLAYER PTS AVG
1 Mahomes, Patrick KCC QB 544.2 34.01
2 Hurts, Jalen PHI QB 451.6 32.26
3 Allen, Josh BUF QB 466.5 31.1
4 Burrow, Joe CIN QB 449.6 29.97
5 Brady, Tom TBB QB 395.4 24.71
6 Smith, Geno SEA QB 383.5 23.97
7 Lawrence, Trevor JAC QB 382.1 23.88
8 Jackson, Lamar BAL QB 285.1 23.76
9 Prescott, Dak DAL QB 259.7 23.61
10 Herbert, Justin LAC QB 374.8 23.43
11 Goff, Jared DET QB 371.2 23.2
12 Murray, Kyler ARI QB 251.8 22.89

[Yarnith]

I disagree with adding positional starters. Requiring 36 RB's to start every week in a 12 team league is just too brutal and to easily creates a self defeating system of monopolizing the position. I think you end up with half your league ownership on a revolving door.

Just random thought but what about a points kicker for efficiency? if 4.0YPC is baseline then your RB's total is multiplied based on his efficiency in a game. So 1YPC would be x .25 while 8ypc would be x2. This would increase your RB's value by rewarding how well he runs over just how much.

[DLF3000]

I disagree with adding positional starters. Requiring 36 RB's to start every week in a 12 team league is just too brutal and to easily creates a self defeating system of monopolizing the position. I think you end up with half your league ownership on a revolving door.

I can see more league ownership attrition in newer leagues and/or with less experienced players where highly-premium scoring for certain positions really drives their value up to a point where the have-nots see zero chance of winning.

People leave for all kinds of reasons in and outside of the game, but feeling like you don't have a chance based on certain far-greater-impact-than-you-realized scoring rules compared to your roster has to be one of them.

That is, it's one thing reading the scoring rules (especially ones new to you), it's another experiencing them!

[Lumps]

We reward completions and penalize incompletions. QBs also are penalized for sacks taken and sack yardage. There’s nothing wrong with some creative scoring if you are on a platform that supports it.

Sure, that makes sense because it’s rewarding efficiency. But then, certain risk adverse QBs that dump off to RBs might be disproportionately rewarded - kind of like hitch catches that lose yardage scoring positive points.

That said, I’m all for rewarding the actual good players rather than propping things up with easily scored items.

I’m interested in the sack scoring playing out. Does this counteract the running QBs? Late career Peyton comes to mind too - when he used to fall on the ground rather than get hit.

Can you list the top 12 QBs and their scores?

Top 12 QBs ranked by ppw

# PLAYER PTS AVG
1 Mahomes, Patrick KCC QB 544.2 34.01
2 Hurts, Jalen PHI QB 451.6 32.26
3 Allen, Josh BUF QB 466.5 31.1
4 Burrow, Joe CIN QB 449.6 29.97
5 Brady, Tom TBB QB 395.4 24.71
6 Smith, Geno SEA QB 383.5 23.97
7 Lawrence, Trevor JAC QB 382.1 23.88
8 Jackson, Lamar BAL QB 285.1 23.76
9 Prescott, Dak DAL QB 259.7 23.61
10 Herbert, Justin LAC QB 374.8 23.43
11 Goff, Jared DET QB 371.2 23.2
12 Murray, Kyler ARI QB 251.8 22.89

EDIT: Don't want to derail this topic, and will make a new one for Billy and I to exchange thoughts.

I'm guessing since the #s are higher these are 6 point pass TD? Or is that just the completions/attempts scoring raising it?

4 point pass TD w/o the sacks/completions by PPG:

1 Hurts 25
2 Mahomes 25
3 Allen 23.5
4 Burrow 21.4
5 Lamar 19.8
6 Fields 19.4
7 Murray 18.1
8 Geno 18.1
9 Daniel 18
10 Tua 17.9
11 Kirk 17.6
12 Dak 17.5

[ericanadian]

My main league is still on standard scoring with 6 pt passing TDs. If you’re talking RB premium, why not just revert to standard? The reason standard was abandoned was that it overinflated RB values. If the argument is that split carries are devaluing RBs, then standard seems like the simplest answer. Constantly realigning scoring to try to even things out creates more problems than it solves in my opinion. I’m fine with whatever, but once a scoring system is set, future tweaks should be minor.

By "standard" you are talking non-ppr, I presume? That used to be what was meant in fantasy when people said "standard." There was standard, and there was ppr.
Now what is "standard" is ppr. So there's now standard and non-ppr.

If you meant standard=non-ppr, I agree with you. The easiest way to bring the RB value back up is not to complicate things further by bonusing their carries, but simply to stop handing out all these points to receivers for their receptions. PPR was created to bring WR value up to RBs. Get rid of PPR and the RB value rises.

Get off my lawn! I’m an old man and non-ppr will always be standard to me.

[Valhalla]

My main league is still on standard scoring with 6 pt passing TDs. If you’re talking RB premium, why not just revert to standard? The reason standard was abandoned was that it overinflated RB values. If the argument is that split carries are devaluing RBs, then standard seems like the simplest answer. Constantly realigning scoring to try to even things out creates more problems than it solves in my opinion. I’m fine with whatever, but once a scoring system is set, future tweaks should be minor.

By "standard" you are talking non-ppr, I presume? That used to be what was meant in fantasy when people said "standard." There was standard, and there was ppr.
Now what is "standard" is ppr. So there's now standard and non-ppr.

If you meant standard=non-ppr, I agree with you. The easiest way to bring the RB value back up is not to complicate things further by bonusing their carries, but simply to stop handing out all these points to receivers for their receptions. PPR was created to bring WR value up to RBs. Get rid of PPR and the RB value rises.

Get off my lawn! I’m an old man and non-ppr will always be standard to me.

Me too, but I recognize what most of these young pups mean when then say standard.

[Valhalla]

I disagree with adding positional starters. Requiring 36 RB's to start every week in a 12 team league is just too brutal and to easily creates a self defeating system of monopolizing the position. I think you end up with half your league ownership on a revolving door.

Just random thought but what about a points kicker for efficiency? if 4.0YPC is baseline then your RB's total is multiplied based on his efficiency in a game. So 1YPC would be x .25 while 8ypc would be x2. This would increase your RB's value by rewarding how well he runs over just how much.

So if a rb ran one time for 80 and a TD…that’s a x20 multiplier…so either 166 points if you only multiply the yards, and 280pts if you include the TD. That’s a lot of points for one carry.

[Anteaters]

Get off my lawn! I’m an old man and non-ppr will always be standard to me.

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[Yarnith]

I disagree with adding positional starters. Requiring 36 RB's to start every week in a 12 team league is just too brutal and to easily creates a self defeating system of monopolizing the position. I think you end up with half your league ownership on a revolving door.

Just random thought but what about a points kicker for efficiency? if 4.0YPC is baseline then your RB's total is multiplied based on his efficiency in a game. So 1YPC would be x .25 while 8ypc would be x2. This would increase your RB's value by rewarding how well he runs over just how much.

So if a rb ran one time for 80 and a TD…that’s a x20 multiplier…so either 166 points if you only multiply the yards, and 280pts if you include the TD. That’s a lot of points for one carry.

Yeah I thought about that and then thought if you nail the call to start that 1 guy who managed 1 carry for an 80yd TD good on you Nostradamus. On the flip side you just but a hard cap on the multiplier. That would include a floor of .25(gotta protect those Eric Rhett homers out there) and a ceiling of I donno say x3 for that 10ypc super stud.

[Valhalla]

I disagree with adding positional starters. Requiring 36 RB's to start every week in a 12 team league is just too brutal and to easily creates a self defeating system of monopolizing the position. I think you end up with half your league ownership on a revolving door.

Just random thought but what about a points kicker for efficiency? if 4.0YPC is baseline then your RB's total is multiplied based on his efficiency in a game. So 1YPC would be x .25 while 8ypc would be x2. This would increase your RB's value by rewarding how well he runs over just how much.

So if a rb ran one time for 80 and a TD…that’s a x20 multiplier…so either 166 points if you only multiply the yards, and 280pts if you include the TD. That’s a lot of points for one carry.

Yeah I thought about that and then thought if you nail the call to start that 1 guy who managed 1 carry for an 80yd TD good on you Nostradamus. On the flip side you just but a hard cap on the multiplier. That would include a floor of .25(gotta protect those Eric Rhett homers out there) and a ceiling of I donno say x3 for that 10ypc super stud.

Yeah caps occurred to me. I actually like the idea. I was just playfully pointing out the need for a cap on that multiplier.

[FantasyFreak]

my longest running league is start 3 RB. Certainly rewards depth at the position

Big time. I am in a league like that, too. Definitely adds value to the position. Bye weeks, injuries, suspensions etc. If you don't load up your RB room, mid season you'll be scrambling to find someone to start, no doubt.

[Jigga94]

Another post had me wondering... for those in start 3RB leagues... do you think it's easier or harder to field a competitive team now than say 5-10 years ago? Are RB more or less valuable?

My thinking: There used to be more bellcows/handcuffs and less role players in backfields making the RB scoring weighted pretty heavily towards RB1-20ish and then dropped off. Now it seems like you have a few elite RB at the top and then maybe 30 in time shares that can be useful any given week.

Points Scored (PPR)
RB#: 2022, 2017, 2012.

RB1: 372, 383, 347
RB10: 239, 228, 230
RB20: 196, 171, 179
RB30: 158, 144, 136
RB40: 126, 124, 106
RB50: 88, 92, 80

Is this more RB being involved or just offenses scoring more in general?

[murphysxm]

Another post had me wondering... for those in start 3RB leagues... do you think it's easier or harder to field a competitive team now than say 5-10 years ago? Are RB more or less valuable?

My thinking: There used to be more bellcows/handcuffs and less role players in backfields making the RB scoring weighted pretty heavily towards RB1-20ish and then dropped off. Now it seems like you have a few elite RB at the top and then maybe 30 in time shares that can be useful any given week.

Points Scored (PPR)
RB#: 2022, 2017, 2012.

RB1: 372, 383, 347
RB10: 239, 228, 230
RB20: 196, 171, 179
RB30: 158, 144, 136
RB40: 126, 124, 106
RB50: 88, 92, 80

Is this more RB being involved or just offenses scoring more in general?

Fair question. In my experience the format rewards the mid round surprises. A Jamal Williams is a league winner. I pick 2nd this year and will still take Jefferson, but my next 5 picks may be rb’s. It isn’t easier or harder, it’s just different.