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How much is too much for Bijan?
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2022 5:16 am
by Jsn23
1QB 12 team start 8 (team in sig)
I have the 1.3, 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, 1.8, 1.11 and 2 2nds
Set in WR (Lamb, Waddle, Burks, Garrett Wilson, Jameson Williams, Dj Moore, Calvin Ridley, M.Brown, Doubs)
basically no RB at all.
in this very shallow lineup, and with the depth I have in WR, I wonder how much is too much for Bijan?
with the context of my team, would you give the 1.3, 1.4 and another small piece for him?
1.4 And Garrett Wilson?
What do you think is the best trade from my side that can pull this off?
Re: How much is too much for Bijan?
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2022 5:36 am
by tstafford
I've said this before - buying Bijan is going to be the most expensive prospect acquisition I've seen in the 14 years I've played dynasty. The only player I can recall that is even in the same neighborhood was Trent Richardson. . .
So to get him you will need to pay up. I'm not a buyer because it's not how I like to build my teams. However I understand that sometimes there is a player out there that you just have to go get. I did it with AJ Green when he came in - but at a cost that was far lower than what it will take to get Bijan.
If you can get him for the 1.03/1.04/piece that is a very good buy. I don't mind trading two lesser prospects and something minor for him at all. But I don't think that will get it done.
If you offer Wilson/1.04 and the other owner is interested that probably gets countered with Wilson/1.03 (that's what I would do). I think those deals are totally reasonable given the hype on Bijan. I wouldn't make that offer because I think Wilson is soon to be a first round start-up pick in roughly the same range as what Bijan will soon be. Why give up a really good rookie pick to move around in the first round of a start up. Especially for a player who isn't in the NFL (don't know his team situ, no tape, etc.)
You definitely have the fire power to get the 1.01 if the owner is the least bit willing to sell. I'd do the following if you must:
- Offer the 1.03/1.06/Doubs. Be willing to adjust that deal with a better pick (1.04 or 1.05) and Hollywood. If that hunts, great
- Plan B: trade for a lesser RB prospect and draft with the remaining picks
Net/net: I'm not willing to overpay for Bijan.
Re: How much is too much for Bijan?
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:04 am
by BigBawseRoss
tstafford wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 5:36 am
I've said this before - buying Bijan is going to be the most expensive prospect acquisition I've seen in the 14 years I've played dynasty. The only player I can recall that is even in the same neighborhood was Trent Richardson. . .
So to get him you will need to pay up. I'm not a buyer because it's not how I like to build my teams. However I understand that sometimes there is a player out there that you just have to go get. I did it with AJ Green when he came in - but at a cost that was far lower than what it will take to get Bijan.
If you can get him for the 1.03/1.04/piece that is a very good buy. I don't mind trading two lesser prospects and something minor for him at all. But I don't think that will get it done.
If you offer Wilson/1.04 and the other owner is interested that probably gets countered with Wilson/1.03 (that's what I would do). I think those deals are totally reasonable given the hype on Bijan. I wouldn't make that offer because I think Wilson is soon to be a first round start-up pick in roughly the same range as what Bijan will soon be. Why give up a really good rookie pick to move around in the first round of a start up. Especially for a player who isn't in the NFL (don't know his team situ, no tape, etc.)
You definitely have the fire power to get the 1.01 if the owner is the least bit willing to sell. I'd do the following if you must:
- Offer the 1.03/1.06/Doubs. Be willing to adjust that deal with a better pick (1.04 or 1.05) and Hollywood. If that hunts, great
- Plan B: trade for a lesser RB prospect and draft with the remaining picks
Net/net: I'm not willing to overpay for Bijan.
off topic but i dont recall richardson being anywhere near the hype level of a fournette or barkley. id say barkley was the only one of recent memory that was considered a top 10 start up pick before playing a down.
agree with you though id be using a combo of picks or players not named wilson.
Re: How much is too much for Bijan?
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:31 am
by Ron_Y
Jsn23 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 5:16 am
1QB 12 team start 8 (team in sig)
I have the 1.3, 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, 1.8, 1.11 and 2 2nds
Set in WR (Lamb, Waddle, Burks, Garrett Wilson, Jameson Williams, Dj Moore, Calvin Ridley, M.Brown, Doubs)
basically no RB at all.
in this very shallow lineup, and with the depth I have in WR, I wonder how much is too much for Bijan?
with the context of my team, would you give the 1.3, 1.4 and another small piece for him?
1.4 And Garrett Wilson?
What do you think is the best trade from my side that can pull this off?
You'd have to at least start with him.
Owners of the 1.1 will see it as a dollar, and any pick even top 5 after that would be worth a dime in comparison. Offering a few of those still doesn't make the person want to give up their dollar. Not saying it's logical, but it is likely. The big component is when you say 'another small piece' - I think you'd have to offer 1.3, 1.4, and G. Wilson to get someone to be interested.
Re: How much is too much for Bijan?
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:31 am
by Ron_Y
Jsn23 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 5:16 am
1QB 12 team start 8 (team in sig)
I have the 1.3, 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, 1.8, 1.11 and 2 2nds
Set in WR (Lamb, Waddle, Burks, Garrett Wilson, Jameson Williams, Dj Moore, Calvin Ridley, M.Brown, Doubs)
basically no RB at all.
in this very shallow lineup, and with the depth I have in WR, I wonder how much is too much for Bijan?
with the context of my team, would you give the 1.3, 1.4 and another small piece for him?
1.4 And Garrett Wilson?
What do you think is the best trade from my side that can pull this off?
Owners of the 1.1 will see it as a dollar, and any pick even top 5 after that would be worth a dime in comparison. Offering a few of those still doesn't make the person want to give up their dollar. Not saying it's logical, but it is likely. The big component is when you say 'another small piece' - I think you'd have to offer 1.3, 1.4, and G. Wilson to get someone to be interested.
To clarify: I do not own the 1.1 anywhere, but did own the 1.1 everywhere when Saquon was coming out and know what it took to get that pick, as well as what it would have taken for me to get it. Saquon is the only player in my recent memory that garnered this much attention.
Re: How much is too much for Bijan?
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:48 am
by Gator Sens
I would see if the 1.03 + Burks or J. Williams + a late 1st gets the conversation started. It's still pricey but a fair starting offer. Burks has flashed at times this year and two 1sts on top, with one being early is a good offer. It will likely take something outrageous to land the 1.01. While I like RObinson as much as the next manager, I would not go completely overboard either.
Re: How much is too much for Bijan?
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2022 1:00 pm
by tsarpepe
You can ask here, or you can send a message to the owner of the 1.01 and say, "Here are the assets I have; what will get your attention for relinquishing that pick?"
Re: How much is too much for Bijan?
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2022 1:27 pm
by burntfire
Is Bijan the overall consensus even in SF leagues? I have (3) 1st round picks for 23 and am considering moving up. Right now it would be the 1.5, 1.7, and 1.14.
Re: How much is too much for Bijan?
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:12 pm
by MacDaddy123
burntfire wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 1:27 pm
Is Bijan the overall consensus even in SF leagues? I have (3) 1st round picks for 23 and am considering moving up. Right now it would be the 1.5, 1.7, and 1.14.
No, but close to consensus.
I have seen a couple of sites that had the top 2 QB's going at 1.01 and 1.02, but vast majority have Bijan at 1.01 in 1 QB and SF leagues.
Re: How much is too much for Bijan?
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:14 pm
by MacDaddy123
1.03, 1.11, and Garrett Wilson might get the 1.01 pick.
From those that I have heard of going after the 1.01, most seem to have given up as the price is too steep.
Re: How much is too much for Bijan?
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2022 7:23 am
by Ron_Y
MacDaddy123 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:12 pm
burntfire wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 1:27 pm
Is Bijan the overall consensus even in SF leagues? I have (3) 1st round picks for 23 and am considering moving up. Right now it would be the 1.5, 1.7, and 1.14.
No, but close to consensus.
I have seen a couple of sites that had the top 2 QB's going at 1.01 and 1.02, but vast majority have Bijan at 1.01 in 1 QB and SF leagues.
Which sites, if you don't mind me asking?
I'd be curious about their data source. If it's some random ADP, i'd wonder if those participating in mock drafts are gaslighting. I think once actual drafts are here, it will be unanimous.
Re: How much is too much for Bijan?
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2022 8:53 am
by Tvols
I would actually take those picks and go try and get a KW, maybe a sliding JT, Hall or williams(these guys should be cheaper). Robinson nice and all but I not sure he is worth 1-3/1-4 and wilson IMHO.
Re: How much is too much for Bijan?
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2022 7:41 pm
by Payton34
Man, SO much depends on how savvy the current owner of the 1.1 is. Does he pay enough attention to know what assets you have? Is he already WELL aware of Bijan and the hype surrounding him?
Going in blind, my opening offer would be 1.4, 1.6 and 1.11 and just see… (thought being, wouldn’t it be awesome to get the 1.1 and still have 1.3, 1.5, and 1.8 ?)
Re: How much is too much for Bijan?
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2022 4:08 am
by Dynasty DeLorean
Tvols wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 8:53 am
I would actually take those picks and go try and get a KW, maybe a sliding JT, Hall or williams(these guys should be cheaper). Robinson nice and all but I not sure he is worth 1-3/1-4 and wilson IMHO.
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Re: How much is too much for Bijan?
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2022 7:29 am
by Oddball456
What holes does the 1.1 team have? If he is in the same boat with good WR but poor RBs, this whole approach might be pointless. Only 2 WR are required to start, but 2 flex so I would think most teams start 3-4 WR each week.