Determining Next Year's Rookie Draft Order

[MikeCross]

Interested in hearing from some of the more experienced commishes. Do yall just use the regular season standings to set next years draft order? Or do you let the playoffs affect the draft order as well?

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1. Non-playoff teams
a. Worst to first, Power Ranking
b. Worst to first, Possible points

2. Playoff teams
a. Week eliminated
b. Worst to first, Power Ranking
c. Worst to first, Possible Points
e. Super Bowl loser gets 11th pick
f. Super Bowl winner gets 12th pick

[MikeCross]

1. Non-playoff teams
a. Worst to first, Power Ranking
b. Worst to first, Possible points

2. Playoff teams
a. Week eliminated
b. Worst to first, Power Ranking
c. Worst to first, Possible Points
e. Super Bowl loser gets 11th pick
f. Super Bowl winner gets 12th pick

What's your preference and thoughts Skip?

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1. Non-playoff teams
a. Worst to first, Power Ranking
b. Worst to first, Possible points

2. Playoff teams
a. Week eliminated
b. Worst to first, Power Ranking
c. Worst to first, Possible Points
e. Super Bowl loser gets 11th pick
f. Super Bowl winner gets 12th pick

What's your preference and thoughts Skip?

I like the system we use. We had long discussions about power ranking vs. W/L vs. VPs in determining how we ranked teams and ultimately decided we liked power ranking the best. I absolutely believe that where teams finish in the playoffs should determine their ranking.

[nightmarion]

similar to Skip only W/L over power rankings. I love it...

[meineymoe]

well, because my league started before there were internet stats programs, I didn't have a power ranking...

other than that, I like Skip's system as well... I guess I prefer W-L to power ranking anyway, but can see using it as a tiebreaker for record.

-oo-

[MilwaukeesBest]

similar to Skip only W/L over power rankings. I love it...

Same here.

[gunslinger]

Picks 7-12 goes off win/loss record (with tiebreakers)

Picks 1-6 are given via suckerbowl. Worst 2 teams get a bye in the first round of sucker bowl (insure a top 4 pick). Sucker bowl winner gets 1st pick, loser gets 2nd, and so forth.

[ThanksICouldHelpBro]

Not a commish, but my thoughts:

I know I'm in the minority here, but I've never liked that teams get rewarded for playing badly. I understand it's for promoting parity, but worst->first is just asking for tanking. Either you're going for a playoff spot or you're going for the best draft spot. So I've pushed for random ordering or a lottery system (weighted randomness).

That being said, the sucker bowl idea is intriguing though I still feel like it could be gamed to try and get a bye. And if power ranking considers entire schedule strength, not starters, than that solves the tanking problem.

[skip]

I know I'm in the minority here, but I've never liked that teams get rewarded for playing badly. I understand it's for promoting parity, but worst->first is just asking for tanking. Either you're going for a playoff spot or you're going for the best draft spot. So I've pushed for random ordering or a lottery system (weighted randomness).

All you need is a league integrity rule and leave it up to the commish to punish those who are tanking. If it is a big enough issue, you kick out the owner. It's pretty simple really. You have a similar problem in that a team that is legitimately the worst team in the league may not get the best draft pick.

[tstafford]

We add a little wrinkle - we let the non-playoff teams play a "playoff" and the winner gets the 3.01 (or 2.13) pick (we only do two rounds of rookie draft). But the consolation bracket doesn't effect the rookie order. So the worst team could get the 1.01, 2.01 and then also win the 3.01. It's sort of fun. Keeps people interested.

[sunnyd23]

Interesting thoughts here. I'm the commish of a year-2 dynasty league and we go worst W/L record followed by least points scored. While I understand the power ranking approach as well as a lottery or playoff, the fact is there are no guarantees when it comes to the first overall pick. Just like in the NFL, there is risk with any pick. I know most seasons we'll probably know the best player, but look at '05 and notice there are seven skill position players(outside of QB) taken in the first round. Only a few have been dominant for any period of time. I appreciate the approach to discourage tanking, but hopefully you have owners that take pride in their teams. If they choose to sell off their teams and try for the first pick, let them. They may regret the time it takes to get back.

[MikeCross]

I just wanted to know whether yall prefer using the playoffs to determine final standings for the draft, or not. loL!

[MrUbuto]

1. Non-playoff teams
a. Worst to first, Power Ranking
b. Worst to first, Possible points

2. Playoff teams
a. Week eliminated
b. Worst to first, Power Ranking
c. Worst to first, Possible Points
e. Super Bowl loser gets 11th pick
f. Super Bowl winner gets 12th pick

power rankings huh? that's interesting.

we just go

12 team league

4 teams that dont make the playoffs play in a round robin to determine picks 1,2,3,4

then first 4 teams out, we use record to determine, breaks down to total points scored to tiebreak

next 2 out, same thing

runner-up

champion

[tstafford]

I just wanted to know whether yall prefer using the playoffs to determine final standings for the draft, or not. loL!

We do this and I sort of have mixed emotions about it. The logic used when the league was set up was that this mirrors how the NFL does it. But the problem is that getting in to the playoffs is generally based on fantasy skill, knowledge and luck. Winning in the playoffs is often mostly about luck - match-ups, injuries, and just randomness of a one and done tourny. We've never had a year where the number one seed going in won the league. So we end up with the best teams getting earlier picks. But whatever. The difference between the number 9 pick and the number 12 pick is probably marginal anyway in the grand scheme of things.