Is there a deal to be had?

[Never Veto1]

Give: Waller, M.Williams, R.Jones
Get: AJ Brown + 23 2nd (2.08-2.12 Guestimate)

The other owner and I were having a pretty good back and forth getting to the above offer, which I personally feel eats into my depth and I'm not sure a higher 2nd helps fill that gap, so I countered with his 23 1st instead, and communication has stopped, I even messaged them to make sure they knew I countered. Is it worth taking just the 2nd or should I just decide we can't make a deal right now.

I could maybe get a 3rd thrown in as well or possibly Velus Jones or Tyquan Thornton.

12 Team Superflex TE Premium

Team: (Indicates startable players)
QB (1-2) - Rodgers, Stafford, Ryan
RB (1-8) - Ekler, Elliott, Gibson, Conner, C.Patterson, R.Jones, Evans
WR (1-8) - Di.Johnson, M.Williams, Jeudy, Thielen, Woods, Edwards, Cephus, Osborn
TE (1-8) - Kelce, Waller, Hockenson, Gronkowski, H.Bryant, J.Smith, T.Hill

[tsarpepe]

A bit pricey for AJB, esp. given the TEP format, but you do need an alpha presence in that WR group.

[Gator Sens]

With having Kelce and Hockenson, I don't view Waller as a big loss even in premium despite his value. Williams is decent but not great and will never fetch much on the market and Jones has very little value. I may be in the minority, but I view this is a really good deal for you now and long term. This seems cheap to me for Brown. Waller does not mean much to your team and he is aging. I would make this deal.

[MarkoH97]

I like this trade for you because of the value you already have at TE. You're clearly trying to go all in and need a WR1 for this group.

[Jigga94]

With having Kelce and Hockenson, I don't view Waller as a big loss even in premium despite his value. Williams is decent but not great and will never fetch much on the market and Jones has very little value. I may be in the minority, but I view this is a really good deal for you now and long term. This seems cheap to me for Brown. Waller does not mean much to your team and he is aging. I would make this deal.

Yeah all these assets are about to age out. I just sold my last share of AJB because of my concerns of him in PHI, but I still like him enough to do this deal

[SteveMaddensShoes]

I think it's a fine deal. Looks a little steep at first but I don't mind it. Basically Williams and Waller for AJB. That's a fair deal and the norm is to trade up so all around seems fair. Williams and Waller are both older at this point and I'd just take the max value from them while you can.

The counter is that you are possibly just trading for name value. Waller and Williams may EACH outscore AJB this year with Hurts throwing the ball.

[Jigga94]

The counter is that you are possibly just trading for name value. Waller and Williams may EACH outscore AJB this year with Hurts throwing the ball.

This is my worry with AJB as well. Smith and Goedert are there to take away targets. It's like he went from TEN to NFC TEN but with other quality receivers in the mix now.

Still, Waller and Williams are definitely not on the same level value wise and they are going to be 30 and 28 this year respectively. Players don't see value bumps after those ages so even if AJB struggles, I'd think you could easily flip him for more

[BigBawseRoss]

i dont get what the objective is. mike williams had the 12th most receiving yards in the entire league last year and had 9td. he was a top 10nfl draft pick and is tied to herbert who we all love. even if its ppr its not like ajb is high volume compared to williams.

moving a no doubt top TE in a TE premium to get a little younger at wr doesnt make much sense to me personally.

[Never Veto1]

i dont get what the objective is. mike williams had the 12th most receiving yards in the entire league last year and had 9td. he was a top 10nfl draft pick and is tied to herbert who we all love. even if its ppr its not like ajb is high volume compared to williams.

moving a no doubt top TE in a TE premium to get a little younger at wr doesnt make much sense to me personally.

That's kinda why I was thinking that I shouldn't do the deal unless I got his 23 1st as well, otherwise I don't feel benefit to myself over the next couple years.

[Needalife]

I'm not into this at all. Williams may outscore AJB next 2-3 years. I really don't know what to expect out of AJB with Hurts. Losing Waller... just not feeling it.

[SteveMaddensShoes]

i dont get what the objective is. mike williams had the 12th most receiving yards in the entire league last year and had 9td. he was a top 10nfl draft pick and is tied to herbert who we all love. even if its ppr its not like ajb is high volume compared to williams.

moving a no doubt top TE in a TE premium to get a little younger at wr doesnt make much sense to me personally.

That's kinda why I was thinking that I shouldn't do the deal unless I got his 23 1st as well, otherwise I don't feel benefit to myself over the next couple years.

You won’t get the first. It’s too much to ask for.

My best counter to why get younger is to hold the value if not the points. AJB will just hold more value 1-2 years from now than a 32 and 29 year old wr, atleast on average. Has to do with perception as well. AJB is a stud and Mike Williams never lived up to hype. Maybe this is one of those arbitrage opportunities where you get more bang for your buck with Williams and Walker. But arbitrage doesn’t work long term for holding value. AJB will likely hold similar value a couple years from now and Walker and Williams wont.

It’s the tricky part of dynasty. Getting the production and holding the value. Kielce and Davante Adams might outscore Chase and Pitts this year, but there is more to it. That’s the point I’m making about value vs production

Like I said earlier, it’s a fair trade because there are two ideas at work here, production vs long term value. You normally do have to make a choice between them.