Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread

[wickerkat1212]

Why is DAL considered such a great spot for a rookie RB to land? They were hardly a great running team last season and had massive losses of talent in their O line this past offseason with no meaningful replacement. There’s a wide open backfield with lots of opportunity for carries, but those look like they’re going to be seriously low quality opportunities to me, and they’re also looking to be throwing more (read fewer rushing attempts) because they lost a lot of talent overall in the +/- of FA.

I can think of at least 6 situations immediately that I’d rather see a rookie RB go to. By God, if Brooks goes to DAL we’re looking at almost a perfect match made in Hell.

Well, historically they have a great OL and RBs do well there—Zeke, Pollard, etc. That's my take.

How many holes does history open?

Sorry, that’s pretty snarky. But do FFers seriously ignore offseason action this badly?

Did their OL fall apart? I don't follow DAL closely. I mean, I know Zeke and Pollard aren't there any longer. A quick google tells me their OL has indeed fallen off, oops, didn't see that.

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[Jigga94]

Why is DAL considered such a great spot for a rookie RB to land? They were hardly a great running team last season and had massive losses of talent in their O line this past offseason with no meaningful replacement. There’s a wide open backfield with lots of opportunity for carries, but those look like they’re going to be seriously low quality opportunities to me, and they’re also looking to be throwing more (read fewer rushing attempts) because they lost a lot of talent overall in the +/- of FA.

I can think of at least 6 situations immediately that I’d rather see a rookie RB go to. By God, if Brooks goes to DAL we’re looking at almost a perfect match made in Hell.

Well, historically they have a great OL and RBs do well there—Zeke, Pollard, etc. That's my take.

How many holes does history open?

Sorry, that’s pretty snarky. But do FFers seriously ignore offseason action this badly?

Truthfully, I don't pay as much attention to OL, coaching, defense as I probably should. I knew DAL OL wasn't what it used to be, but I wouldn't be surprised if some are still catching up to that in fantasy circles

[wickerkat1212]

Well, historically they have a great OL and RBs do well there—Zeke, Pollard, etc. That's my take.

How many holes does history open?

Sorry, that’s pretty snarky. But do FFers seriously ignore offseason action this badly?

Truthfully, I don't pay as much attention to OL, coaching, defense as I probably should. I knew DAL OL wasn't what it used to be, but I wouldn't be surprised if some are still catching up to that in fantasy circles

Yeah, I had no idea.

[81-]

Opportunity. 250-300 carries waiting in Dallas. That will get you a startable rb. Even if he is only falling forward for 3 yards a pop.

I have mn and the giants in that category as well. Unless you think Aaron Jones is the answer.

[Bronco Billy]

Opportunity. 250-300 carries waiting in Dallas. That will get you a startable rb. Even if he is only falling forward for 3 yards a pop.

I have mn and the giants in that category as well. Unless you think Aaron Jones is the answer.

Which RBs in this class do you see as having the combination of absorbing that level of punishment over a pro schedule, has enough game to work behind a decidedly substandard O line, and can stay on the field on at least some downs where they can adequately protect while a pass play unfolds?

[FantasyFreak]

Opportunity. 250-300 carries waiting in Dallas. That will get you a startable rb. Even if he is only falling forward for 3 yards a pop.

I have mn and the giants in that category as well. Unless you think Aaron Jones is the answer.

Which RBs in this class do you see as having the combination of absorbing that level of punishment over a pro schedule, has enough game to work behind a decidedly substandard O line, and can stay on the field on at least some downs where they can adequately protect while a pass play unfolds?

Yeah, I don't see it. Much better talents, with likely higher draft capital don't get that type of run. Think Chubb, Swift, etc etc etc. You need to know the scheme, pass pro etc etc etc. Typically round 2 RB's don't get much run until closer to the 2nd half of the season.

If they were a first round RB, sure. If it's a late 2nd rounder or day 3 back, good luck getting anywhere close to those carries. Just far fetched.

[81-]

Opportunity. 250-300 carries waiting in Dallas. That will get you a startable rb. Even if he is only falling forward for 3 yards a pop.

I have mn and the giants in that category as well. Unless you think Aaron Jones is the answer.

Which RBs in this class do you see as having the combination of absorbing that level of punishment over a pro schedule, has enough game to work behind a decidedly substandard O line, and can stay on the field on at least some downs where they can adequately protect while a pass play unfolds?

opportunity is the life blood of rookie rb's. don't over think it. maybe you get a frank gore, maybe you get a mike anderson maybe you get a bum, but if you need a rb, you gotta look at dallas.

[Bronco Billy]

Opportunity. 250-300 carries waiting in Dallas. That will get you a startable rb. Even if he is only falling forward for 3 yards a pop.

I have mn and the giants in that category as well. Unless you think Aaron Jones is the answer.

Which RBs in this class do you see as having the combination of absorbing that level of punishment over a pro schedule, has enough game to work behind a decidedly substandard O line, and can stay on the field on at least some downs where they can adequately protect while a pass play unfolds?

opportunity is the life blood of rookie rb's. don't over think it. maybe you get a frank gore, maybe you get a mike anderson maybe you get a bum, but if you need a rb, you gotta look at dallas.

It’s not overthinking to determine whether its reasonable for a RB to be put into the position you’re describing given the situation. How much run do you think a rook will get if there’s a real risk to Dak being torn in two at the beginning of the season? The perception of opportunity means nothing if the RB does not have the game to respond to it, and that means understanding the opportunity as a whole and not just exclusively as some theoretical hole that exists in the carry count for the season.

[Shoreline Steamers]

We'll see what happens post draft, but so far, this offseason has got me thinking that rather than take shots on rookies at 1.09 and 1.11 (which I had planned to do) I might just try to move both for the 1.05. Worst case that would land me Bowers, and maybe that's a better result in the end.

What was billed as a "deep" draft may end up being more so for the NFL than for fantasy. Probably better to take a shot nabbing one elite prospect as opposed to hopefully hitting on players in the 2nd tier this year.

[Jigga94]

We'll see what happens post draft, but so far, this offseason has got me thinking that rather than take shots on rookies at 1.09 and 1.11 (which I had planned to do) I might just try to move both for the 1.05. Worst case that would land me Bowers, and maybe that's a better result in the end.

What was billed as a "deep" draft may end up being more so for the NFL than for fantasy. Probably better to take a shot nabbing one elite prospect as opposed to hopefully hitting on players in the 2nd tier this year.

I agree. I usually like trading down to get multiple shots, depending on roster. This year though, it might be top 7 or bust. Though, I do really like some WR that should be there late 1st

[mild]

^ Draft Capital should tell us what we need to know here then right?

Yes and no. There are players with good draft capital whose bad rep off the field followed them to the NFL and they flamed out because of it. So, yes it's good to have, but it doesn't make those concerns a nothing burger.

For example, if McConkey and Burton get the same pedigree, I'm taking McConkey.

Agree here. I have McConkey over Burton already. But say Burton and Legette both get equal draft capital. What's your choice then?

In the other thread where we were talking about Burton, I was suggesting I'd rather take Burton over Brenden (Brandon?) Rice.

That's the kind of late round flyer where I'm going talent > character. A mid to late 4th round pick has more in common with a high Waiver Wire bid than it does with current late superflex 2nd rounder Xavier Legette.

Where the talent is comparable but the flags are leaned massively to one side (Legette undeniably has talent) you really shouldn't have to be thinking twice here.

[TheTroll]

The draft is here tomorrow!!!!! Time for a new thread of Draft Live

[Kurt G.O.A.T.]

I would hope NFL scouts and GM's aren't this short sited in their analysis. This is a very easy skill to teach

Right.

Imagine missing out on Mahomes because the Texas Tech offense was basically high school crossed with air raid, and not an NFL STYLE OFFENSE (tm)

Oh wait, that's exactly what happened...

"So just keep that in mind"

At this point I'm pretty sure I'd rather draft Penix than JJM straight up, and especially so at relative cost.

I remember that was the selling point of wentz over Goff, bc wentz ran a more pro style offense. It’s probably a bonus but it’s not going to make or break someone.

wentz could never run a play how it was called. he would have to hold onto the ball too long, make a miraculous escape from the dline pressure then make a play downfield. somehow this made him a mvp favourite with the nimrods in the media until it stopped working for him then the very same nimrods called it hero ball. they're pathetic.

[Valhalla]

The draft is here tomorrow!!!!! Time for a new thread of Draft Live

That sounds like a somewhat early 2024 draft thread

[wickerkat1212]

Looking at the ADP on real drafts at MFL. Legette was there at 2.12. Are you buying shares there? I thought he'd go a lot sooner. I was kind of OUT on him, but that late...I may have to take the shot. Thoughts on him?