Somewhat early 2024 Draft thread

[mild]

Nabers ran a reported 4.34 at the LSU pro day

Further confirms to me that hes still my WR1

Edit he also has a
• Vertical jump: 42"
• Broad jump: 10'9"

FWIW his 40 looks a lot more like a 4.5 than a 4.34.

https://twitter.com/jacoblogginsnba/sta ... 20806?s=46

Doesn't change a thing, of course. The tape is the tape.

Seen someone else say 4.38-4.45, via the video. I think anything in that range is excellent. OBJ was a 4.43 for example. 4.50 is still perfectly fine but then we’re not talking about top end speed anymore.

Yeah, it ultimately doesn't matter - he is clearly blistering fast and ridiculously athletic (there's nothing subjective about those jump measurements, nor his stop-start that we see on tape)

If we really wanted to be accurate, the Combine would also go fully laser timed - but then times would probably be slower across the board, and where's the fun in that? But hey, at least the combine it's apples-to-apples between prospects, so you can at least roughly baseline.

Since 1999, the NFL has used partially electronic timing to determine 40-yard times at the combine. The start of the run is timed by hand, but the finish is recorded electronically using a laser "plane" that runs across the finish line.

Feels like we'll steadily move away from 40 times as meaning much in the future with the proliferation of the GPS game data anyway, as it becomes more available and mainstream.

Fully hand-timed 40's from Pro Days, of course, remain a total joke...

[Dynasty DeLorean]

FWIW his 40 looks a lot more like a 4.5 than a 4.34.

https://twitter.com/jacoblogginsnba/sta ... 20806?s=46

Doesn't change a thing, of course. The tape is the tape.

Seen someone else say 4.38-4.45, via the video. I think anything in that range is excellent. OBJ was a 4.43 for example. 4.50 is still perfectly fine but then we’re not talking about top end speed anymore.

Yeah, it ultimately doesn't matter - he is clearly blistering fast and ridiculously athletic (there's nothing subjective about those jump measurements, nor his stop-start that we see on tape)

If we really wanted to be accurate, the Combine would also go fully laser timed - but then times would probably be slower across the board, and where's the fun in that? But hey, at least the combine it's apples-to-apples between prospects, so you can at least roughly baseline.

Since 1999, the NFL has used partially electronic timing to determine 40-yard times at the combine. The start of the run is timed by hand, but the finish is recorded electronically using a laser "plane" that runs across the finish line.

Feels like we'll steadily move away from 40 times as meaning much in the future with the proliferation of the GPS game data anyway, as it becomes more available and mainstream.

Fully hand-timed 40's from Pro Days, of course, remain a total joke...

The combine does go back and adjust via the video though, I’m pretty sure. But yes, that’s why I like the combine. It might not be perfect but it’s apples to apples.

[mild]

The combine does go back and adjust via the video though, I’m pretty sure. But yes, that’s why I like the combine. It might not be perfect but it’s apples to apples.

They do, but the fact remains.

If they really wanted to be fully accurate, they'd do it with laser timing on both ends... y'know, like how the rest of the athletic world does it.

They don't want to do that, because they still want some "control" over the final number.

[Jrblaha]

We talking test drives? LoL.

Marvin is Marvin. I watched his entire career. Good size, good speed, good athleticism, good hands. Little stiff sometimes if we are knit picking. Good pick.

I would not complain 1 iota if he was on my roster.

Now I am talking myself into trading for him

If I’m buying a Lamborghini, which is what another person compared it to, I’d like to test drive it first lol.

I like him a lot too, I can’t get him in any leagues, but I can’t imagine people will be unhappy with him.

[BabyChark23]

At this point, I’ve heard various experts, scouts, analysts, etc. all pump up Marvin, Nabers, and Odunze as the WR1 in this class. One says it’s Marvin, the other says Nabers, the next says Odunze. The three are so close that I’ll probably just go with best landing spot as the tie breaker (presumably Marvin to the Cardinals or Nabers to the Chargers). I doubt I’d regret picking any one of the three.

[Bronco Billy]

We talking test drives? LoL.

Marvin is Marvin. I watched his entire career. Good size, good speed, good athleticism, good hands. Little stiff sometimes if we are knit picking. Good pick.

I would not complain 1 iota if he was on my roster.

Now I am talking myself into trading for him

If I’m buying a Lamborghini, which is what another person compared it to, I’d like to test drive it first lol.

I like him a lot too, I can’t get him in any leagues, but I can’t imagine people will be unhappy with him.

And how are combine events anywhere analogous to a test drive as opposed to loads of game film?

[Jigga94]

We talking test drives? LoL.

Marvin is Marvin. I watched his entire career. Good size, good speed, good athleticism, good hands. Little stiff sometimes if we are knit picking. Good pick.

I would not complain 1 iota if he was on my roster.

Now I am talking myself into trading for him

If I’m buying a Lamborghini, which is what another person compared it to, I’d like to test drive it first lol.

I like him a lot too, I can’t get him in any leagues, but I can’t imagine people will be unhappy with him.

And how are combine events anywhere analogous to a test drive as opposed to loads of game film?

The test drive sounds like an Individual Workout. Combine is like going to the showroom

[Jrblaha]

If I’m buying a Lamborghini, which is what another person compared it to, I’d like to test drive it first lol.

I like him a lot too, I can’t get him in any leagues, but I can’t imagine people will be unhappy with him.

And how are combine events anywhere analogous to a test drive as opposed to loads of game film?

The test drive sounds like an Individual Workout. Combine is like going to the showroom

Yup yup

[81-]

We talking test drives? LoL.

Marvin is Marvin. I watched his entire career. Good size, good speed, good athleticism, good hands. Little stiff sometimes if we are knit picking. Good pick.

I would not complain 1 iota if he was on my roster.

Now I am talking myself into trading for him

If I’m buying a Lamborghini, which is what another person compared it to, I’d like to test drive it first lol.

I like him a lot too, I can’t get him in any leagues, but I can’t imagine people will be unhappy with him.

I'd buy a new Ferrari without a test drive. Assuming a lottery win, my first stop would be the Ferrari dealer. Yes please

[Anteaters]

Wicker is going to have an all day chubby reading this

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/stor ... d-32-picks


I personally think the author is high as a kite. Not that there is anything wrong with that

The bigger thing is the AZ Kyler/JJ thing. Bananas.

Absolutely.
Say you're a Kyler hater without saying you're a Kyler hater.

Dude thinks the fourth chosen rookie QB is, TODAY, a better QB than an young all-pro veteran. Completely bonkers.

There's a reason he's not an NFL GM anymore.

[murphysxm]

My two cents on the whole Nabers, MHJR, Odunze debate. All three appear to be pretty safe bets to be WR's we covet in real life and in fantasy. Measurements and numbers are not my first thing I look at and even less so when it is the top tiers of players. I see Marvin as the best WR based on what I have seen him put on tape. I will be taking him first. I expect him to be the 1st WR taken. Him skipping testing re-enforces my belief he thinks he is going to be the 1st WR taken so he has nothing to gain running. Hell, maybe he is afraid that NE will fall in love and he doesn't want to land there........

[Jrblaha]

We talking test drives? LoL.

Marvin is Marvin. I watched his entire career. Good size, good speed, good athleticism, good hands. Little stiff sometimes if we are knit picking. Good pick.

I would not complain 1 iota if he was on my roster.

Now I am talking myself into trading for him

If I’m buying a Lamborghini, which is what another person compared it to, I’d like to test drive it first lol.

I like him a lot too, I can’t get him in any leagues, but I can’t imagine people will be unhappy with him.

I'd buy a new Ferrari without a test drive. Assuming a lottery win, my first stop would be the Ferrari dealer. Yes please

Haha. Depends on % of win money would be the car. I’m not spending most of my winnings on a car without driving it. What if I don’t fit, or it’s not comfortable, or fun to drive? If it’s only a small %, sure, who cares.

[Shcritters]

If I’m buying a Lamborghini, which is what another person compared it to, I’d like to test drive it first lol.

I like him a lot too, I can’t get him in any leagues, but I can’t imagine people will be unhappy with him.

I'd buy a new Ferrari without a test drive. Assuming a lottery win, my first stop would be the Ferrari dealer. Yes please

Haha. Depends on % of win money would be the car. I’m not spending most of my winnings on a car without driving it. What if I don’t fit, or it’s not comfortable, or fun to drive? If it’s only a small %, sure, who cares.

We've reached the point in the offseason where we're not debating players, but debating analogies used to describe said players.

We need the draft to come ASAP.

[Cameron Giles]

Prospect fatigue is real.

[FantasyFreak]

How is stuff like this allowed to go to print?

This is USA Today, or an affiliate of?

How does someone get paid to write with such a lack of understanding of the game of football?

https://patriotswire.usatoday.com/lists ... -NpuH4posS


"We’re exploring a potential blockbuster trade scenario in the latest seven-round 2024 NFL mock draft:"

"The Chargers trade quarterback Justin Herbert and their 2024 first-round draft pick (No. 5) for the Patriots’ first-round pick (No. 3). Harbaugh, who has been signing McCarthy’s praises, would be getting a quarterback he’s familiar with on a rookie contract. With Keenan Allen, Mike Williams and Austin Ekeler gone, the Chargers could be considering a reboot.

The Patriots, on the other hand, get a talented young quarterback and a premium draft pick to add a major offensive weapon."