Higgins+ vs. Waddle

[foreleft08]

In a 12 team, SF, PPR, which side would you rather have?

Higgins + '23 2nd (likely later) or Waddle??

[gmoftheyear]

I'd take the Higgins side..

[Gator Sens]

Both WRs are young and valuable and while Higgins may be a bit up and down with Chase, he is tied to Burrow and I would take him with the 2nd on top.

[hawk2119]

waddle for me

[Bulletproof]

I prefer Higgins in best ball and Waddle if you have to set your lineup

[oneson9192]

Higgins+ for me. His QB situation is locked in and he can’t get passed on the depth chart (locked in as WR 2 at worst). Can’t say that for Waddle. Higgins is also younger than Waddle by 3 months, which people forget. No problem If you prefer waddle, but he’s not a 2nd rounder better than Higgins.

[ESKAY]

I would take the side with the pick added to it in this deal. The reason I like Waddle more right now is he is the #1 WR on his own team and Higgins isn’t.

[halfbaked88]

Waddle. Mainly cause I think he's a better football player and I don't value late 2nds highly.

[Anteaters]

Waddle easily.

I would not even consider Higgins+late1st for Waddle.

[The.Big.Spank]

Waddle easily.

I would not even consider Higgins+late1st for Waddle.

Easily? Based on......

[Anteaters]

Waddle easily.

I would not even consider Higgins+late1st for Waddle.

Easily? Based on......

My opinion that if the two players are more-or-less equally talented and capable, one NFL team's WR1 is easily a better fantasy option than another NFL team's WR2. And in this example we get two guys of approximately the same age also, so that's nothing to be considered.

If Higgins was in Miami as their WR1 and Waddle was in Cincy as the WR2 behind Chase, then I'd rather have Higgins. As things stand today, I easily prefer Waddle for my fantasy teams.

[oneson9192]

Waddle easily.

I would not even consider Higgins+late1st for Waddle.

Easily? Based on......

My opinion that if the two players are more-or-less equally talented and capable, one NFL team's WR1 is easily a better fantasy option than another NFL team's WR2. And in this example we get two guys of approximately the same age also, so that's nothing to be considered.

If Higgins was in Miami as their WR1 and Waddle was in Cincy as the WR2 behind Chase, then I'd rather have Higgins. As things stand today, I easily prefer Waddle for my fantasy teams.

I suppose that’s fair. I think the edge for Higgins comes from the fact that it’s much more likely that Waddle’s situation gets worse than Higgins’. For Miami, there’s about a:

~90% chance that they bring in another significant playmaker this offseason
~10% chance that Waddle gets passed by that playmaker on the depth chart/target count
~40% chance that Tua isn’t their QB long term and they need to make a change

For Higgins/the bengals, all of those possibilities are roughly 0%. Considering Higgins situation is locked in, and he already is the younger, higher scoring (in 2021 PPG) option, I think it’s close for me. Certainly not a 1st round pick difference, at least.

[halfbaked88]

Easily? Based on......

My opinion that if the two players are more-or-less equally talented and capable, one NFL team's WR1 is easily a better fantasy option than another NFL team's WR2. And in this example we get two guys of approximately the same age also, so that's nothing to be considered.

If Higgins was in Miami as their WR1 and Waddle was in Cincy as the WR2 behind Chase, then I'd rather have Higgins. As things stand today, I easily prefer Waddle for my fantasy teams.

I suppose that’s fair. I think the edge for Higgins comes from the fact that it’s much more likely that Waddle’s situation gets worse than Higgins’. For Miami, there’s about a:

~90% chance that they bring in another significant playmaker this offseason
~10% chance that Waddle gets passed by that playmaker on the depth chart/target count
~40% chance that Tua isn’t their QB long term and they need to make a change

For Higgins/the bengals, all of those possibilities are roughly 0%. Considering Higgins situation is locked in, and he already is the younger, higher scoring (in 2021 PPG) option, I think it’s close for me. Certainly not a 1st round pick difference, at least.

Adding on that a new HC may bring change to the Miami offense. How big or how little, no one knows, or if for the better or worse ... But to go with your argument it just adds more uncertainty to the Waddle side.

My counter for that though is that Higgins will never be the #1 on that team. Chase is the dominant player that's going to command the 1st look every time.

Waddle still can be the 1 even if they bring somebody in. And if he ends up being the 2 in MIA, I think it'll be a similar 1A/1B situation as with Chase/Higgins. Rumor has it Gesicki is being targeted by Houston. I don't see why MIA would let him go with their cap space, but they might have to if another team offers him a huge contract.

Cincy doesn't really have a threat at TE and could bring in someone to share some targets with. I suspect that would be a minor addition overall, but a small consideration. Another *rumor* is Gronk would like to play with Burrow. If he ends up in Cincy then he definitely lowers the TD upside of both Chase and Higgins.

[Anteaters]

Easily? Based on......

My opinion that if the two players are more-or-less equally talented and capable, one NFL team's WR1 is easily a better fantasy option than another NFL team's WR2. And in this example we get two guys of approximately the same age also, so that's nothing to be considered.

If Higgins was in Miami as their WR1 and Waddle was in Cincy as the WR2 behind Chase, then I'd rather have Higgins. As things stand today, I easily prefer Waddle for my fantasy teams.

I suppose that’s fair. I think the edge for Higgins comes from the fact that it’s much more likely that Waddle’s situation gets worse than Higgins’. For Miami, there’s about a:

~90% chance that they bring in another significant playmaker this offseason
~10% chance that Waddle gets passed by that playmaker on the depth chart/target count
~40% chance that Tua isn’t their QB long term and they need to make a change

For Higgins/the bengals, all of those possibilities are roughly 0%. Considering Higgins situation is locked in, and he already is the younger, higher scoring (in 2021 PPG) option, I think it’s close for me. Certainly not a 1st round pick difference, at least.

I don't agree but I see the points you're trying to make about both Higgins and Waddle. Ultimately, sometimes we just prefer one player of the other or have a gut feeling. A lot of people have been buzzing about Higgins since before he was drafted. I never fell in love with him and view him as one more guy with talent and potential, who is in a group with other guys with talent and potential who also are not their NFL team's clear cut WR1.

In my mind, guys like Diggs, AJB and Waddle will always be preferable to guys like Higgins, Cooper and Lockett. That's no insult to the second group because I think they're all very good WRs. But for my fantasy teams, I want the guys with the most opportunity, and generally speaking that will be guys who are the WR1 on their NFL team.

For me, what hurts Higgins even more is his team's WR1 is so young. At least Mooney had/has the chance to outlast ARob, and Lamb won't have long to wait to be the WR1 in Dallas. In Cincy, Higgins is locked out of the WR1 role forever.

[Dynasty_Analyst]

I love Higgins I have him in a lot of leagues. His roughly WR 8-10 ADP feels like a ceiling for me. Burrow is just clearly already looking for Chase first every time and I think because of that, you’ll get some dud games out of Higgins for the coming seasons. If your sure your a playoff team and that’s not an early 2nd I’ll take waddle here