The Dalvin Cook Discussion Thread

[FantasyFreak]

All reports are Cook has reported for training camp.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/295 ... e-opts-out

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... -veterans/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxHddM2jBh0

[OhCruelestRanter]

All reports are Cook has reported for training camp.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/295 ... e-opts-out

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... -veterans/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxHddM2jBh0

He can still choose not to suit up for games.

[Shcritters]

He could, but as I read the rules if he didn't 'fulfill his contract for a material period of time' (ie, not playing games or faking an injury that the team can't confirm) then the team could take him to arbitration, and if the arbitrator rules against him it would mean he wouldn't accrue a season towards becoming a UFA. I find it highly unlikely that he would risk that.

Quote and article from NFL.com below:
"The new collective bargaining agreement makes it virtually prohibitive for a player in Cook's position to actually carry out a holdout," Pelissero explained Tuesday on NFL NOW. "If Dalvin Cook does not report on the mandatory reporting date next month with his teammates, or at any point thereafter does not fulfill his contract for any material period of time, he would not accrue the fourth season he needs to become an unrestricted free agent next March. Instead, Cook would be a restricted free agent, meaning the Vikings could retain him with a first-round restricted tender worth between $4 [million] and $5 million instead of having to apply a franchise tag that would be worth roughly double that."

Full article here:
https://www.nfl.com/news/dalvin-cook-ho ... ive-for-rb

[ThunderTung]

I think this is being made more complicated than it is. If cook shows up to camp and plays at least 8 games, the '20 season counts and he's a FA next season.

If he doesn't do everything up above, the '20 season wont count against his contract and the Vikings will still have his rights.

[ericanadian]

I think this is being made more complicated than it is. If cook shows up to camp and plays at least 8 games, the '20 season counts and he's a FA next season.

If he doesn't do everything up above, the '20 season wont count against his contract and the Vikings will still have his rights.

I don’t think its that simple. The maximum leverage move would be to play the first eight games and then sit. Literally every guy that does this sits out the first games and then plays the rest of the season.

[ThunderTung]

I think this is being made more complicated than it is. If cook shows up to camp and plays at least 8 games, the '20 season counts and he's a FA next season.

If he doesn't do everything up above, the '20 season wont count against his contract and the Vikings will still have his rights.

I don’t think its that simple. The maximum leverage move would be to play the first eight games and then sit. Literally every guy that does this sits out the first games and then plays the rest of the season.

I'd agree that, that would give him more leverage, but why does that make it complicated? hell he could take a BYE week every other week. As long as he plays 8 games he's good.

[bjd5211]

I think this is being made more complicated than it is. If cook shows up to camp and plays at least 8 games, the '20 season counts and he's a FA next season.

If he doesn't do everything up above, the '20 season wont count against his contract and the Vikings will still have his rights.

I don’t think its that simple. The maximum leverage move would be to play the first eight games and then sit. Literally every guy that does this sits out the first games and then plays the rest of the season.

I'd agree that, that would give him more leverage, but why does that make it complicated? hell he could take a BYE week every other week. As long as he plays 8 games he's good.

Except it will piss off his team, teammates and people around the league and then no one will want to sign him close to the kind of money he wants. People understand it's a business and don't get critical of a guy holding out for a new deal, but you are either there or you're not, you don't show up and then leave or come back and forth. Doing either of these things would go extremely against football culture and would backfire on him bigtime.

[bjd5211]

https://mobile.twitter.com/TomPelissero ... 70688?s=20

Dalvin breaking off extension talks and will play out the last year of his deal. Risky given his history, he'll probably either be allowed to walk if he gets hurt again and probably have a diminished market, or if he plays well they'll franchise him. Tough being an RB these days unless you are truly elite, and Dalvin is a little outside that tier.

[sct]

I've heard on a couple podcasts that the new CBA is such that the player has a lot more leverage after camp once the season starts. Is it possible that Cook is "holding in" like Melvin Ingram was but just not advertising it that way as much? Is he going to surprise his team by sitting out after camp?

[Ray Finkle]

I've heard on a couple podcasts that the new CBA is such that the player has a lot more leverage after camp once the season starts. Is it possible that Cook is "holding in" like Melvin Ingram was but just not advertising it that way as much? Is he going to surprise his team by sitting out after camp?

I’ve heard whispers of this as well but haven’t take the he time to educate myself of the holdout policy. I have pick #6 in my only redraft tonight and I might be scared off of him.

[Pullo Vision]

I've heard on a couple podcasts that the new CBA is such that the player has a lot more leverage after camp once the season starts. Is it possible that Cook is "holding in" like Melvin Ingram was but just not advertising it that way as much? Is he going to surprise his team by sitting out after camp?

I’ve heard whispers of this as well but haven’t take the he time to educate myself of the holdout policy. I have pick #6 in my only redraft tonight and I might be scared off of him.

I think the "hold-in" option will be used much more, especially when you can get results like Ingram did. It'll be interesting to see how teammates respond. Do they shrug off questions because it's another man's money or do they do what the Steelers did a few years ago when Bell unexpectedly started his year long holdout?

[FantasyFreak]

I've heard on a couple podcasts that the new CBA is such that the player has a lot more leverage after camp once the season starts. Is it possible that Cook is "holding in" like Melvin Ingram was but just not advertising it that way as much? Is he going to surprise his team by sitting out after camp?

It would be a poor negotiation tactic on his part to deceive his team, the one he's trying to get paid from. Ingram was up front about it. Cook is practicing and said he's focused on playing. If he does this, I don't think it would work out well for him.

[FantasyFreak]

Can't imagine the Ngakoue trade is good for Dalvin's future in Minnesota.

[hockeyBjj]

Can't imagine the Ngakoue trade is good for Dalvin's future in Minnesota.

Yeah. Cook wants 10ish mil a year. Vikings had 12 mil of cap space and reportedly wanting to pay Cook under 10.

Vikings sign Ngakoue, who takes a pay cut to get under that 12 mil cap, with the promise they’ll extend him if he takes the cut off his franchise tag for this year. Don’t think you pay a 2nd for just a 1 year player.

Buy Mattison everywhere

[TampaBay216]

Can't imagine the Ngakoue trade is good for Dalvin's future in Minnesota.

Yeah. Cook wants 10ish mil a year. Vikings had 12 mil of cap space and reportedly wanting to pay Cook under 10.

Vikings sign Ngakoue, who takes a pay cut to get under that 12 mil cap, with the promise they’ll extend him if he takes the cut off his franchise tag for this year. Don’t think you pay a 2nd for just a 1 year player.

Buy Mattison everywhere

Currently trying to sell Bell for Mattison and a 2nd.