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Re: Tua Tagovailoa Thread

Postby Anteaters » Tue Dec 27, 2022 3:47 am

I think there's a good chance Tua will retire before playing another down. He's a gamer, but he's also a smart guy. When he looks at the tape and realizes he suffered another concussion despite not taking any obviously dangerous hits Sunday, the conclusion has to be retirement to protect himself.

It's possible he doesn't announce it so that salary cap ramifications can be worked out and to make sure he gets all the money left on his contract. But I think/hope he's played his final game in the NFL.
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Re: Tua Tagovailoa Thread

Postby YouMightDieTryin » Tue Dec 27, 2022 8:24 am

Anteaters wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 3:47 am I think there's a good chance Tua will retire before playing another down. He's a gamer, but he's also a smart guy. When he looks at the tape and realizes he suffered another concussion despite not taking any obviously dangerous hits Sunday, the conclusion has to be retirement to protect himself.

It's possible he doesn't announce it so that salary cap ramifications can be worked out and to make sure he gets all the money left on his contract. But I think/hope he's played his final game in the NFL.
Not a chance. Tua is a very smart guy, but he's also a football player Everyone knows you are more susceptible to reoccurring concussions after the initial one. He took his chance this year and paid for it. Give him a whole offseason to recover and he'll be back out there week 1 ready to go again. Should he hang them up? Probably. Will he? No.

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Re: Tua Tagovailoa Thread

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Tue Dec 27, 2022 9:08 am

YouMightDieTryin wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 8:24 am
Anteaters wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 3:47 am I think there's a good chance Tua will retire before playing another down. He's a gamer, but he's also a smart guy. When he looks at the tape and realizes he suffered another concussion despite not taking any obviously dangerous hits Sunday, the conclusion has to be retirement to protect himself.

It's possible he doesn't announce it so that salary cap ramifications can be worked out and to make sure he gets all the money left on his contract. But I think/hope he's played his final game in the NFL.
Not a chance. Tua is a very smart guy, but he's also a football player Everyone knows you are more susceptible to reoccurring concussions after the initial one. He took his chance this year and paid for it. Give him a whole offseason to recover and he'll be back out there week 1 ready to go again. Should he hang them up? Probably. Will he? No.
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Re: Tua Tagovailoa Thread

Postby murphysxm » Tue Dec 27, 2022 9:48 am

I am old enough to remember when Brandin Cooks was never going to play football again after his 4th reported concussion in the same calendar year. That was 3 years ago and he is doing fine. Let's calm down that Tua is going to retire or that his is doomed for life. Caution should be used, but I fully expect this to be a distant memory this time next year. Right or wrong, it is how the NFL works.
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Re: Tua Tagovailoa Thread

Postby Cameron Giles » Tue Dec 27, 2022 10:02 am

murphysxm wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 9:48 am I am old enough to remember when Brandin Cooks was never going to play football again after his 4th reported concussion in the same calendar year. That was 3 years ago and he is doing fine. Let's calm down that Tua is going to retire or that his is doomed for life. Caution should be used, but I fully expect this to be a distant memory this time next year. Right or wrong, it is how the NFL works.
Significantly different though. QBs get hit hard on every other play. WRs take one, maybe two comparable hits the entire game.

I'd definitely be concerned that at some point he can't keep taking hits. QBs racking up concussions is probably more dangerous than any other position. At this moment, the chances that he retires in his 20s are not 0.

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Re: Tua Tagovailoa Thread

Postby murphysxm » Tue Dec 27, 2022 10:31 am

Cameron Giles wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 10:02 am
murphysxm wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 9:48 am I am old enough to remember when Brandin Cooks was never going to play football again after his 4th reported concussion in the same calendar year. That was 3 years ago and he is doing fine. Let's calm down that Tua is going to retire or that his is doomed for life. Caution should be used, but I fully expect this to be a distant memory this time next year. Right or wrong, it is how the NFL works.
Significantly different though. QBs get hit hard on every other play. WRs take one, maybe two comparable hits the entire game.

I'd definitely be concerned that at some point he can't keep taking hits. QBs racking up concussions is probably more dangerous than any other position. At this moment, the chances that he retires in his 20s are not 0.
Yes and no, I guess. I think there can be a very strong argument that the hits a WR's take that lead to concussions are much more severe than the ground caused ones QB's get more often. Yes QB's have more opportunities, but the blind side helmet to helmet variety Cooks seemed to always get sure look scarier to me. I am no doctor though.
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Re: Tua Tagovailoa Thread

Postby ButtFumbleCity » Tue Dec 27, 2022 11:02 am

murphysxm wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 10:31 am
Cameron Giles wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 10:02 am
murphysxm wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 9:48 am I am old enough to remember when Brandin Cooks was never going to play football again after his 4th reported concussion in the same calendar year. That was 3 years ago and he is doing fine. Let's calm down that Tua is going to retire or that his is doomed for life. Caution should be used, but I fully expect this to be a distant memory this time next year. Right or wrong, it is how the NFL works.
Significantly different though. QBs get hit hard on every other play. WRs take one, maybe two comparable hits the entire game.

I'd definitely be concerned that at some point he can't keep taking hits. QBs racking up concussions is probably more dangerous than any other position. At this moment, the chances that he retires in his 20s are not 0.
Yes and no, I guess. I think there can be a very strong argument that the hits a WR's take that lead to concussions are much more severe than the ground caused ones QB's get more often. Yes QB's have more opportunities, but the blind side helmet to helmet variety Cooks seemed to always get sure look scarier to me. I am no doctor though.
I don't know about you but the one against the Bengals looked pretty scary to me.

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Re: Tua Tagovailoa Thread

Postby mild » Tue Dec 27, 2022 11:22 am

Dynasty DeLorean wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 9:08 am
YouMightDieTryin wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 8:24 am
Anteaters wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 3:47 am I think there's a good chance Tua will retire before playing another down. He's a gamer, but he's also a smart guy. When he looks at the tape and realizes he suffered another concussion despite not taking any obviously dangerous hits Sunday, the conclusion has to be retirement to protect himself.

It's possible he doesn't announce it so that salary cap ramifications can be worked out and to make sure he gets all the money left on his contract. But I think/hope he's played his final game in the NFL.
Not a chance. Tua is a very smart guy, but he's also a football player Everyone knows you are more susceptible to reoccurring concussions after the initial one. He took his chance this year and paid for it. Give him a whole offseason to recover and he'll be back out there week 1 ready to go again. Should he hang them up? Probably. Will he? No.
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Re: Tua Tagovailoa Thread

Postby FantasyFreak » Tue Dec 27, 2022 12:07 pm

murphysxm wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 9:48 am I am old enough to remember when Brandin Cooks was never going to play football again after his 4th reported concussion in the same calendar year. That was 3 years ago and he is doing fine. Let's calm down that Tua is going to retire or that his is doomed for life. Caution should be used, but I fully expect this to be a distant memory this time next year. Right or wrong, it is how the NFL works.
He also visited a concussion/brain specialist and was considering retirement. Had he got a different result, he would have. He also suffered 4 concussions in just under 2 years, it wasn't within the same calendar year.

Jhavid Best retired in his early 20's. It's not doom and gloom, it's the potential reality of having this many head injuries in such a short span. 3 months to the say, 3 concussions, one with major posturing, which means severe brain trauma.

I don't think he retires this off season, but I don't think he's going to be playing in his mid 30's either, with his entire injury history taken into account, and the reality there will be more injuries to come.
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Re: Tua Tagovailoa Thread

Postby Cameron Giles » Tue Dec 27, 2022 12:11 pm

murphysxm wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 10:31 am
Cameron Giles wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 10:02 am
murphysxm wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 9:48 am I am old enough to remember when Brandin Cooks was never going to play football again after his 4th reported concussion in the same calendar year. That was 3 years ago and he is doing fine. Let's calm down that Tua is going to retire or that his is doomed for life. Caution should be used, but I fully expect this to be a distant memory this time next year. Right or wrong, it is how the NFL works.
Significantly different though. QBs get hit hard on every other play. WRs take one, maybe two comparable hits the entire game.

I'd definitely be concerned that at some point he can't keep taking hits. QBs racking up concussions is probably more dangerous than any other position. At this moment, the chances that he retires in his 20s are not 0.
Yes and no, I guess. I think there can be a very strong argument that the hits a WR's take that lead to concussions are much more severe than the ground caused ones QB's get more often. Yes QB's have more opportunities, but the blind side helmet to helmet variety Cooks seemed to always get sure look scarier to me. I am no doctor though.
WRs used to take those scary hits across the middle back in the day a lot, but that doesn't happen regularly anymore. It's become easier to officiate those big hits on WRs and RBs than it has QB. QBs are protected, but the NFL still has to give the defense some type of path to hit them hard.

QB is the last position I'd want to play in football if I have a concussion history. I definitely wouldn't rule out Tua retiring early if this keeps up. At some point, your long-term health simply becomes more important.

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Re: Tua Tagovailoa Thread

Postby murphysxm » Tue Dec 27, 2022 12:12 pm

FantasyFreak wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 12:07 pm
murphysxm wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 9:48 am I am old enough to remember when Brandin Cooks was never going to play football again after his 4th reported concussion in the same calendar year. That was 3 years ago and he is doing fine. Let's calm down that Tua is going to retire or that his is doomed for life. Caution should be used, but I fully expect this to be a distant memory this time next year. Right or wrong, it is how the NFL works.
He also visited a concussion/brain specialist and was considering retirement. Had he got a different result, he would have. He also suffered 4 concussions in just under 2 years, it wasn't within the same calendar year.

Jhavid Best retired in his early 20's. It's not doom and gloom, it's the potential reality of having this many head injuries in such a short span. 3 months to the say, 3 concussions, one with major posturing, which means severe brain trauma.
Again, I am saying Tua needs to make smart decisions and medical professionals need/should have a say, I just think there are too many examples of players keeping on. I went off memory on Cooks, 4 concussions in 2 years is correct, my bad. I also know Cooks played in a different time and was rushed back onto the field, but there was talk his next concussion would be life threatening, yet he came back.
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Re: Tua Tagovailoa Thread

Postby Anteaters » Tue Dec 27, 2022 2:43 pm

Dynasty DeLorean wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 9:08 am
YouMightDieTryin wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 8:24 am
Anteaters wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 3:47 am I think there's a good chance Tua will retire before playing another down. He's a gamer, but he's also a smart guy. When he looks at the tape and realizes he suffered another concussion despite not taking any obviously dangerous hits Sunday, the conclusion has to be retirement to protect himself.

It's possible he doesn't announce it so that salary cap ramifications can be worked out and to make sure he gets all the money left on his contract. But I think/hope he's played his final game in the NFL.
Not a chance. Tua is a very smart guy, but he's also a football player Everyone knows you are more susceptible to reoccurring concussions after the initial one. He took his chance this year and paid for it. Give him a whole offseason to recover and he'll be back out there week 1 ready to go again. Should he hang them up? Probably. Will he? No.
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TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion

TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
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Re: Tua Tagovailoa Thread

Postby MacDaddy123 » Tue Dec 27, 2022 4:08 pm

I just don't understand how no one can seem to teach Tua how to fall properly.
I don't know how he got this far falling the way he does, it's dangerous.

Look at the play, and I have seen him fall like that before.
He does a 180 so he can fall on his bleep and hit the back of his head on the ground?
Why not just fall like a normal QB, where your arms can assist you in your fall to the ground?
Something wrong there, and it appears as if no one has ever properly trained him how to fall down.

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Re: Tua Tagovailoa Thread

Postby Ice » Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:55 pm

MacDaddy123 wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 4:08 pm I just don't understand how no one can seem to teach Tua how to fall properly.
I don't know how he got this far falling the way he does, it's dangerous.

Look at the play, and I have seen him fall like that before.
He does a 180 so he can fall on his bleep and hit the back of his head on the ground?
Why not just fall like a normal QB, where your arms can assist you in your fall to the ground?
Something wrong there, and it appears as if no one has ever properly trained him how to fall down.
Well it did take him two years to learn his playbook.

I will be surprised if he makes it out of his rookie contract.

He came into the league hurt. Some bodies just aren’t built for football.

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Re: Tua Tagovailoa Thread

Postby killer_of_giants » Tue Dec 27, 2022 6:35 pm

Anteaters wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 3:47 ambut he's also a smart guy.
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