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Re: Mike Strachan...hype or real deal?

Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:44 am
by Valhalla
Ice wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:49 am
murphysxm wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:56 am The Colts WR are garbage and Wentz had like 3 seconds before contact. Not a good situation for anyone. Happy to see him on the field though
:D
I get what you are implying but 3 seconds is like a lifetime to throw in the NFL. I think the average is around 2.7 seconds. I doubt more than 2-3 would have an average at 3 seconds or higher.

edit to add this graph. https://imgur.com/a/vNefuE2
That graph is useful but flawed in that some of the qbs to the left aren’t there because the line is trash but simply because they read the field and make their decision more rapidly.

Re: Mike Strachan...hype or real deal?

Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:14 pm
by Ice
Valhalla wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:44 am
Ice wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:49 am
murphysxm wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:56 am The Colts WR are garbage and Wentz had like 3 seconds before contact. Not a good situation for anyone. Happy to see him on the field though
:D
I get what you are implying but 3 seconds is like a lifetime to throw in the NFL. I think the average is around 2.7 seconds. I doubt more than 2-3 would have an average at 3 seconds or higher.

edit to add this graph. https://imgur.com/a/vNefuE2
That graph is useful but flawed in that some of the qbs to the left aren’t there because the line is trash but simply because they read the field and make their decision more rapidly.
It was a lighthearted dig at the sloth like Wentz. The graph simply represents the average release time of QB's in 2020.

Re: Mike Strachan...hype or real deal?

Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:45 pm
by Valhalla
Ice wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:14 pm
Valhalla wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:44 am
Ice wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:49 am

:D
I get what you are implying but 3 seconds is like a lifetime to throw in the NFL. I think the average is around 2.7 seconds. I doubt more than 2-3 would have an average at 3 seconds or higher.

edit to add this graph. https://imgur.com/a/vNefuE2
That graph is useful but flawed in that some of the qbs to the left aren’t there because the line is trash but simply because they read the field and make their decision more rapidly.
It was a lighthearted dig at the sloth like Wentz. The graph simply represents the average release time of QB's in 2020.
Ah gotcha. Yes I agree the graph makes Wentz look bad.
Quite often the least sacked QBs are the least sacked because they can decipher the defense more rapidly and get rid of the ball. The QB processing speed makes his line look good...but so many people want to say the QB is good because his line is good.
Ultimately it's a team game and a rapidly thinking and moving QB makes the line look better just as a well blocking line makes the QB look better. A graph like that one indicates Wentz is getting sacked at least in part because he isn't getting rid of the ball as rapidly as others could.

Re: Mike Strachan...hype or real deal?

Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:50 pm
by murphysxm
Valhalla wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:45 pm
Ice wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:14 pm
Valhalla wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:44 am

That graph is useful but flawed in that some of the qbs to the left aren’t there because the line is trash but simply because they read the field and make their decision more rapidly.
It was a lighthearted dig at the sloth like Wentz. The graph simply represents the average release time of QB's in 2020.
Ah gotcha. Yes I agree the graph makes Wentz look bad.
Quite often the least sacked QBs are the least sacked because they can decipher the defense more rapidly and get rid of the ball. The QB processing speed makes his line look good...but so many people want to say the QB is good because his line is good.
Ultimately it's a team game and a rapidly thinking and moving QB makes the line look better just as a well blocking line makes the QB look better. A graph like that one indicates Wentz is getting sacked at least in part because he isn't getting rid of the ball as rapidly as others could.
I get all that. My jab was more that our WR aren't getting open in 10 seconds, let alone 3. Wentz certainly didn't play a perfect game, but the Colts poor performance was not because of him

Re: Mike Strachan...hype or real deal?

Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:08 pm
by ArrylT
I believe both of Strachans receptions were crucial 3rd down catches? Can anyone confirm? If so that is a good step forward.

Re: Mike Strachan...hype or real deal?

Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:49 pm
by murphysxm
I know one was, didn’t see the other one

Re: Mike Strachan...hype or real deal?

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:14 am
by cazzie33
Was wondering what the snap counts were and if Strachan played much or at all in base offense. Guessing it was more whenever 4 WR formations were on the field w/ a cpl of plays spelling tired guys

Re: Mike Strachan...hype or real deal?

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:21 am
by Ruggenater
cazzie33 wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:14 am Was wondering what the snap counts were and if Strachan played much or at all in base offense. Guessing it was more whenever 4 WR formations were on the field w/ a cpl of plays spelling tired guys
Out of 76 offensive snaps, the WR group was as follows:
Pittman 74, 97%
Pascal 69, 91%
Campbell 46, 61%
Strachan 18, 24%
Dulin 6, 8%

Doyle and Alie-Cox were in on 45 and 39 snaps, respectively (7 for Granson).

Re: Mike Strachan...hype or real deal?

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:41 am
by cazzie33
Ruggenater wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:21 am
cazzie33 wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:14 am Was wondering what the snap counts were and if Strachan played much or at all in base offense. Guessing it was more whenever 4 WR formations were on the field w/ a cpl of plays spelling tired guys
Out of 76 offensive snaps, the WR group was as follows:
Pittman 74, 97%
Pascal 69, 91%
Campbell 46, 61%
Strachan 18, 24%
Dulin 6, 8%

Doyle and Alie-Cox were in on 45 and 39 snaps, respectively (7 for Granson).
Thanks ...pretty much what I expected !

Add in the % of targets for the RBs and there's not much short of an injury to a WR to get excited about ... Yet !

Re: Mike Strachan...hype or real deal?

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:45 pm
by Pac_Eddy
Ruggenater wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:21 am
cazzie33 wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:14 am Was wondering what the snap counts were and if Strachan played much or at all in base offense. Guessing it was more whenever 4 WR formations were on the field w/ a cpl of plays spelling tired guys
Out of 76 offensive snaps, the WR group was as follows:
Pittman 74, 97%
Pascal 69, 91%
Campbell 46, 61%
Strachan 18, 24%
Dulin 6, 8%

Doyle and Alie-Cox were in on 45 and 39 snaps, respectively (7 for Granson).
Where did you find snap counts already?

Re: Mike Strachan...hype or real deal?

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:00 pm
by Ruggenater
Pac_Eddy wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:45 pm
Ruggenater wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:21 am
cazzie33 wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:14 am
Where did you find snap counts already?
The NFLPlayerSnaps Twitter account lays out snap counts for every game (and puts them up pretty quickly): https://mobile.twitter.com/nflplayersnaps?lang=en

Re: Mike Strachan...hype or real deal?

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:30 pm
by Jigga94
Ruggenater wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:00 pm
Pac_Eddy wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:45 pm
Ruggenater wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:21 am
Where did you find snap counts already?
The NFLPlayerSnaps Twitter account lays out snap counts for every game (and puts them up pretty quickly): https://mobile.twitter.com/nflplayersnaps?lang=en
https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/reports/targets/

I like this one. It's nice and sortable too. Not sure how accurate it is, but I question the stats accuracy in general lol

Edit: there's a difference between targets and snaps lol... I need a nap

Re: Mike Strachan...hype or real deal?

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:25 pm
by Pac_Eddy
Jigga94 wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:30 pm
Ruggenater wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:00 pm
Pac_Eddy wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:45 pm

Where did you find snap counts already?
The NFLPlayerSnaps Twitter account lays out snap counts for every game (and puts them up pretty quickly): https://mobile.twitter.com/nflplayersnaps?lang=en
https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/reports/targets/

I like this one. It's nice and sortable too. Not sure how accurate it is, but I question the stats accuracy in general lol

Edit: there's a difference between targets and snaps lol... I need a nap
I like FantasyPros. They didn't have the snap counts yet. I know NFLGIS does first, I think these other sites user that data she's it takes a day or two to process it

Re: Mike Strachan...hype or real deal?

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:20 pm
by Shoreline Steamers
ArrylT wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:08 pm I believe both of Strachans receptions were crucial 3rd down catches? Can anyone confirm? If so that is a good step forward.
Can confirm. I was watching the game, and that was something that stood out. Would have liked to see a few more targets, but perhaps they'll come as the season progresses.

Re: Mike Strachan...hype or real deal?

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:02 pm
by FantasyFreak
Shoreline Steamers wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:20 pm
ArrylT wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:08 pm I believe both of Strachans receptions were crucial 3rd down catches? Can anyone confirm? If so that is a good step forward.
Can confirm. I was watching the game, and that was something that stood out. Would have liked to see a few more targets, but perhaps they'll come as the season progresses.
None of the Colts WR's were separating. It could be an issue all year. Their WR corps is really weak.