Newton or Bradford?

[hosler427]

To put Bradford in the same category as Freeman and Stafford I think is a bit ridiculous....

In one season, Bradford has played more games than Stafford has in 2 seasons (plus week 1). I think Stafford needs to stay healthy for a season before he gets mentioned any category with Freeman and Bradford. I agree that Bradford needs WR help (a true #1) but the skill and intangibles are there.

And to the person that mentioned all of Bradford's checkdowns...Many of those were necessary with the ridiculously bad WRs he had to work with once Clayton went down. People were hyping up Amendola like crazy this offseason but the guy couldn't get any yards after the catch so the low yards per attempt weren't helped by his WR play AT ALL. He didn't even have a decent TE to throw to. The guy performed incredibly well under the circumstances.

[hosler427]

PS....including Newton in this conversation is premature and insane like many others have stated.

[Team Canada]

If its so easy without game films why don't other rookie QBs put up these numbers?

*cough* Matt Flynn *cough*

[Misfit74]

For the record I don't think the question is ridiculous. That's how we learn.

The real key here is simple: Bradford's value as a dynasty player is based one full NFL season besides his larger body of work in college (complete dominance as a passer for multiple seasons). Newton's value is based on one great college season as an all-purpose QB and ONE NFL GAME. There is just much more to point to Bradford being great as a pure passer than Newton.

400-yard games do hold a tiny extra bit of weight with me it's impressive for any passer who hasn't done it (see: Henne, Chad), but the principle of 'Small Sample Size' applies here bigtime. Newton has played one game. That's not enough to vault him past Bradford, who also was a #1 overall pick. Newton has faced one NFL team - one NFL defense - with two rookie corners and overall not a great defense by any means. That is not enough to trump the body of work that Bradford has put together.

I want to acknowledge a great point above about how Bradford performed basically nothing at WR or TE in his rookie season. It was not a great season, but Bradford had nothing like a Steve Smith to throw to last year. Bradford himself has a long way to go before he's mentioned with the Rivers' and Brady's of the world but right now he's far ahead of Newton in value and development as a passer.

[andrewfroboy]

I don't think Newton is anywhere near Bradford right now, but I think to write Newton off and discount one great game isn't fair either, Newton can be behind Bradford, but that doens't mean he's not a great prospect, I will still take his ceiling over any of the other rookie QBs right now

[BradyT]

I don't think Newton is anywhere near Bradford right now, but I think to write Newton off and discount one great game isn't fair either, Newton can be behind Bradford, but that doens't mean he's not a great prospect, I will still take his ceiling over any of the other rookie QBs right now

Not writing him off, not at all. Cam Newton is a great prospects with incredible physical abilities. And the last game certainly would make me feel better as his owner(I dont have him in any of my leagues). Its just that I really dont feel he should be compared to Bardford just yet. Well maybe you can compare them, but I think its nowhere near of coming to the conclusion that Bradford shouldn´t be clearly rated ahead of Newton.

[andrewfroboy]

I think whatever the case, this week against Green Bay will tell the story on Newton, if he puts up 300+ yards and 2 TDs I think he deserves to enter the conversation with Bradford

[Misfit74]

I think whatever the case, this week against Green Bay will tell the story on Newton, if he puts up 300+ yards and 2 TDs I think he deserves to enter the conversation with Bradford

Small Sample Size.

He could throw for 500 yards this week and it wouldn't change a thing.

[andrewfroboy]

Disagree, if he puts up 30 fantasy points again I think you could seriously consider him over Bradford, so much upside

[Misfit74]

Disagree, if he puts up 30 fantasy points again I think you could seriously consider him over Bradford, so much upside

Yes, you could. I wouldn't.

I'm not willing to throw out 99% of the data to focus on 1% of it and make a decision based on that %1. It's just not sound logic or reasoning. You can move people in your rankings all you want - all I"m saying is that my opinion of Newton vs. Bradford in dynasty wont' be based on (an extremely) small sample size, which is the folly of many.

[hosler427]

Disagree, if he puts up 30 fantasy points again I think you could seriously consider him over Bradford, so much upside

Yes, you could. I wouldn't.

I'm not willing to throw out 99% of the data to focus on 1% of it and make a decision based on that %1. It's just not sound logic or reasoning. You can move people in your rankings all you want - all I"m saying is that my opinion of Newton vs. Bradford in dynasty wont' be based on (an extremely) small sample size, which is the folly of many.

Couldn't agree more Allen. That is the reason why I think the question is ridiculous...the sample size doesn't warrant it.

[andrewfroboy]

As a rookie who has won at every level and looked incredibly poised in week one, if he comes out and torches Green Bay's defense for 30 fantasy points and again looks the part I think he deserves to be in the conversation with Bradford, I think that is incredibly unlikely, but if it were to happen I think he merits consideration

[Shawn]

Certainly Bradford is worth more in trade right now, although I don't think its a terrible idea if someone made a move like trading Bradford for Cam Newton AND something else like a 1st rounder or something, as Cam could possibly end up being the better long term option. Also, Bradford does have a bit of an injury history to consider.

[49ersFaithful80]

I still don't understand why people are talking about Bradford like he's peyton manning. you people do realize that the likes of Tim Tebow performed much better in his 3 starts last year than Bradford did (higher passer rating and WAYYYYYYYYYY higher YPA). I watched Bradford a good amount last year, and what I got out of it was that he has a lot of talent but he literally checked the ball down on almost every single pass attempt (putrid 5.95 YPA)

Bradford = overrated but still a better prospect than Cam

[MR ROURKE]

I still don't understand why people are talking about Bradford like he's peyton manning. you people do realize that the likes of Tim Tebow performed much better in his 3 starts last year than Bradford did (higher passer rating and WAYYYYYYYYYY higher YPA). I watched Bradford a good amount last year, and what I got out of it was that he has a lot of talent but he literally checked the ball down on almost every single pass attempt (putrid 5.95 YPA)

Bradford = overrated but still a better prospect than Cam

Stats are one thing and numbers can say anything. You say you watched Bradford, but did you watch Tebow? If you watched Tebow and broke down the two QB's, you wouldn't be making any comparisons between Tebow and Bradford. Bradford's passing options last year were horrible. Tebow probably couldn't have completed 30% of his passes to Bradford's below average options at WR's. S.Bradford had a great year for a rookie QB.