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Re: The 2021 NFL Draft Thread - Reactions, Analysis & Grumblings!!
Posted: Sat May 01, 2021 4:20 pm
by wickerkat1212
jman3134 wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 1:02 pm
The fall of Tamorrion Terry......wow
He had a high grade on him. Right there with Dynami and Eskridge. WTH happened here? I liked him a lot.
Re: The 2021 NFL Draft Thread - Reactions, Analysis & Grumblings!!
Posted: Sat May 01, 2021 4:25 pm
by MFundercover
OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 2:54 pm
MFundercover wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 2:46 pm
Sanders literally matched Chubb on the ground in terms of efficiency last season. His target share isn't going to totally evaporate here.
Chubb averaged more YPC and was second in the league in rushing DVOA despite handling more carries.
Sanders is good, but he doesn’t have the skill set to be a RB1 without significant receiving work. This isn’t some damning criticism, it’s true of most RBs. I listed Henry and Chubb because I think they’re exceptions.
I’m not panic-selling Sanders or anything, but I think pretending like this doesn’t matter is short-sighted.
Top 5 ypc for RBs in 2020 were 1. Dobbins (134/6.0) 2. Chubb (190/5.6) 3. Jones (201/5.5) 4. Henry (378/5.4) 5. Sanders (164/5.3)
Not saying hes a better runner than Chubb and Henry, but he looked a lot better on the ground in 2020 than people have been giving him credit for and it shows in the stats. I wasn't trying to sell Sanders as being a top 6 RB but low RB1/high RB2 is fair. Gainwell is a great receiver but I dont think Sanders targets evaporate to the point I'd fade him to a low rb2.
Not trying to start an argument or anything. Just my 2 cents.
Re: The 2021 NFL Draft Thread - Reactions, Analysis & Grumblings!!
Posted: Sat May 01, 2021 4:48 pm
by OhCruelestRanter
MFundercover wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 4:25 pm
OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 2:54 pm
MFundercover wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 2:46 pm
Sanders literally matched Chubb on the ground in terms of efficiency last season. His target share isn't going to totally evaporate here.
Chubb averaged more YPC and was second in the league in rushing DVOA despite handling more carries.
Sanders is good, but he doesn’t have the skill set to be a RB1 without significant receiving work. This isn’t some damning criticism, it’s true of most RBs. I listed Henry and Chubb because I think they’re exceptions.
I’m not panic-selling Sanders or anything, but I think pretending like this doesn’t matter is short-sighted.
Top 5 ypc for RBs in 2020 were 1. Dobbins (134/6.0) 2. Chubb (190/5.6) 3. Jones (201/5.5) 4. Henry (378/5.4) 5. Sanders (164/5.3)
Not saying hes a better runner than Chubb and Henry, but he looked a lot better on the ground in 2020 than people have been giving him credit for and it shows in the stats. I wasn't trying to sell Sanders as being a top 6 RB but low RB1/high RB2 is fair. Gainwell is a great receiver but I dont think Sanders targets evaporate to the point I'd fade him to a low rb2.
Not trying to start an argument or anything. Just my 2 cents.
Yeah, and I don’t think Sanders is bad on the ground. He’s good!
I just don’t think he can maintain that efficiency over the number of carries that he would need in order to compensate for losing receiving work.
Re: The 2021 NFL Draft Thread - Reactions, Analysis & Grumblings!!
Posted: Sat May 01, 2021 5:43 pm
by Cherokee
MFundercover wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 11:43 am
Cherokee wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:21 am
MFundercover wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:14 pm
Jaguars could have picked Carter or Gainwell at 4.01 and had just as good a backfield, plus a 1st round db or edge.
Sour grapes
I dont think you know what that phrase means. But yes I'm coming for an angle of a disgruntled Jrob bagholder. Still right though.
Haha! I know the meaning
Sour Grapes: A negative attitude adopted towards something that one cannot have for themselves
As in the Fantasy RB in Jax.
Re: The 2021 NFL Draft Thread - Reactions, Analysis & Grumblings!!
Posted: Sat May 01, 2021 7:11 pm
by MFundercover
Cherokee wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:43 pm
MFundercover wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 11:43 am
Cherokee wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:21 am
Sour grapes
I dont think you know what that phrase means. But yes I'm coming for an angle of a disgruntled Jrob bagholder. Still right though.
Haha! I know the meaning
Sour Grapes: A negative attitude adopted towards something that one cannot have for themselves
As in the Fantasy RB in Jax.
Sour grapes would be me saying the Jacksonville backfield wouldn't be good for fantasy to begin with, and that I didn't really want it in the first place.
"The grapes are probably sour anyway." = "Jacksonville is bad for fantasy anyway."
Re: The 2021 NFL Draft Thread - Reactions, Analysis & Grumblings!!
Posted: Sun May 02, 2021 6:44 am
by killer_of_giants
Dynos wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 1:28 pm
Terrible draft outside of rd1
in 1QB leagues, late 1sts feel really underwhelming.
Re: The 2021 NFL Draft Thread - Reactions, Analysis & Grumblings!!
Posted: Sun May 02, 2021 7:21 am
by Jigga94
killer_of_giants wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 6:44 am
Dynos wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 1:28 pm
Terrible draft outside of rd1
in 1QB leagues, late 1sts feel really underwhelming.
Yup, been thinking the differences in SF pick values are huge this year. Lawrence being the 1.09ish says more about what's after Pitts, the top few WR and 3-4 RB to me. After that it just feels like a decent drop to WR like Marshall, Bateman, E. Moore and then and even bigger drop to more QB, WR under 5'10 and day 3 RB
Re: The 2021 NFL Draft Thread - Reactions, Analysis & Grumblings!!
Posted: Sun May 02, 2021 11:30 am
by wickerkat1212
I was thinking the same thing. I love players in the 6-10 range but outside the first, IDK about depth. Feels like late 2nd is weak, and 3rd/4th are ALL fliers. I may actually move my later picks to try and get back into the 1st.
Re: The 2021 NFL Draft Thread - Reactions, Analysis & Grumblings!!
Posted: Sun May 02, 2021 1:33 pm
by tresskid84
In my rankings, its almost exactly an average class from pick 9 through 3.11. My 6 through 8 are higher than ave. 1 is lower than ave. 2 through 5 are basically right on average