Dynasty League Football Forum

honcho55 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:47 pm I’m having a hard time figuring out why Toney is getting mocked in the first. He looks good but, I dunno, I don’t see it. I’ll take the guy with the big sophomore year.

Bronco Billy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 5:42 am Tylan Wallace and it’s not close. He’s smooth, makes some great single and double moves, and his concentration in contested catch situations is remarkable. Add his speed and he looks like he belongs as a starting WR.

I initially liked Toney for his superb athleticism and raw imagination with the ball in his hands. Then I watched college tapes of guys who used a lot of shiftiness in college to succeed - Percy Harvin, Barry Sanders, Tyreek Hill etc. You watch those guys and they were so slippery because of their slight and subtle shifts in directions and they were so smooth in how they ran. Watching Toney run is like watching a toy boat in class V rapids or maybe a frog in a blender. He’s shifty as hell, but he’s so all-over-the-place and sloppy. Those other guys were always moving forward and looking for the fastest way to get upfield even when they gave a little ground. With Toney, he’ll give up huge chunks of yards looking for entirely new seams and directions to go. That may work in college where he is so physically superior to opponents, but in the NFL where there won’t be that physicality gap and players are much more disciplined I’m not sure he doesn’t get tackled for losses/small gains often as he makes a play as he gives up ground and backtracks, and he may get creamed on backside pursuit. I see him absolutely frustrating a HC and teammates if he repeatedly gives up first downs in an effort to turn a 7 yd gain into a TD.

If Toney hits he could be huge, but I’ve seen too many of these human joystick type guys fail at the next level to bypass a talent like Wallace for him.

Zhoward88 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:13 am

Bronco Billy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 5:42 am Tylan Wallace and it’s not close. He’s smooth, makes some great single and double moves, and his concentration in contested catch situations is remarkable. Add his speed and he looks like he belongs as a starting WR.

I initially liked Toney for his superb athleticism and raw imagination with the ball in his hands. Then I watched college tapes of guys who used a lot of shiftiness in college to succeed - Percy Harvin, Barry Sanders, Tyreek Hill etc. You watch those guys and they were so slippery because of their slight and subtle shifts in directions and they were so smooth in how they ran. Watching Toney run is like watching a toy boat in class V rapids or maybe a frog in a blender. He’s shifty as hell, but he’s so all-over-the-place and sloppy. Those other guys were always moving forward and looking for the fastest way to get upfield even when they gave a little ground. With Toney, he’ll give up huge chunks of yards looking for entirely new seams and directions to go. That may work in college where he is so physically superior to opponents, but in the NFL where there won’t be that physicality gap and players are much more disciplined I’m not sure he doesn’t get tackled for losses/small gains often as he makes a play as he gives up ground and backtracks, and he may get creamed on backside pursuit. I see him absolutely frustrating a HC and teammates if he repeatedly gives up first downs in an effort to turn a 7 yd gain into a TD.

If Toney hits he could be huge, but I’ve seen too many of these human joystick type guys fail at the next level to bypass a talent like Wallace for him.

Well those are decent points to discuss. I also feel tylan has good stuff but his own list of worries as well too. Do you feel he created enough separation in college? I don’t know if he would have had many of those plays against SEC teams. But that’s the entire reason I’m asking here....if you think Toney won’t be able to do what he did against SEC players....do you think tylan will be able to time his jumps and outplay nfl DBs like he did in college?

Zhoward88 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:10 am I get more tired of people acting like the SEC doesn’t play a factor....like yea....we get it.....good players in every conference. But it’s pretty well known that the SEC has the best defenses and usually the toughest to throw and run on. So when a WR is beating SEC secondary’s consistently I do take that in to account. Think you’re kinda making a exception and disregarding an aspect that shouldn’t be disregarded. Tylan is good, that’s obvious. I’m using the factors that are in play to describe their talents and production. Winning a route on guys that won’t be in the nfl vs winning on guys that likely will be matters to me.

Zhoward88 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:10 am I get more tired of people acting like the SEC doesn’t play a factor....like yea....we get it.....good players in every conference. But it’s pretty well known that the SEC has the best defenses and usually the toughest to throw and run on.

Zhoward88 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:54 am
I obviously feel they are both talented and deserve to be drafted close based on their talents but not sure why I’m getting crucified for saying beating SEC defensive backs is more impressive?

Zhoward88 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:12 am 339 total (current) players in the nfl came from the SEC.....the next closest number is 87 less in a conference and that is the big 10. Yes, it matters to me watching success and production against the SEC...a conference that pours in nfl players at a high rate. Nfl talent is more prominent in the SEC than other conferences. That enough for you to see why I use that in some sort of fashion? Chill out man. You clearly don’t want to talk about Toney and Wallace and their talent. You want to argue and expand little things like saying I’m being a baby. I’m trying to agree with you and smooth over the notion that other conferences and school and produce fantasy relevant players. But I’m trying to explain why I do look at the SEC factor. My gosh.