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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby Jigga94 » Fri Dec 08, 2023 6:14 am

CGW wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 6:05 am
tstafford wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 2:57 am
RheinlandChief wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:58 am Not sure about my share. People are not paying a lot for Pitts right now.
Maybe I can get two late 2nd-Rounders for him but I feel, that i would regret that... I still have hopes for my broken toy
Is this the going price? I honestly have no idea what I'd pay for Pitts (who I don't have on any team). Seems like a tough piece to move. I wonder if Pitts or London carries more value right now.
London for sure. He's still in the late 1st range. Pitts is down into the 2nd territory. (SF)
Is he really? I can't see owners parting with Pitts for a 2nd. I think I would easily pay that as well

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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby CGW » Fri Dec 08, 2023 6:17 am

Jigga94 wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 6:14 am
CGW wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 6:05 am
tstafford wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 2:57 am

Is this the going price? I honestly have no idea what I'd pay for Pitts (who I don't have on any team). Seems like a tough piece to move. I wonder if Pitts or London carries more value right now.
London for sure. He's still in the late 1st range. Pitts is down into the 2nd territory. (SF)
Is he really? I can't see owners parting with Pitts for a 2nd. I think I would easily pay that as well
I got him about a week or two ago in a larger deal instead of an early to mid 2nd. And this is from a guy who drafted him and refused to trade him to me for the past several years regardless of price.

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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby trc » Fri Dec 08, 2023 7:08 am

CGW wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 6:17 am
Jigga94 wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 6:14 am
CGW wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 6:05 am

London for sure. He's still in the late 1st range. Pitts is down into the 2nd territory. (SF)
Is he really? I can't see owners parting with Pitts for a 2nd. I think I would easily pay that as well
I got him about a week or two ago in a larger deal instead of an early to mid 2nd. And this is from a guy who drafted him and refused to trade him to me for the past several years regardless of price.
I would pay a mid 2nd for him on any team. moving into late 1st/early 2nd is getting tougher to decide - so for me the value is in most situations a late 1st, still.
His rookie season still carries a lot of weight.

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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby FantasyFreak » Fri Dec 08, 2023 7:12 am

I'd take Pitts all day over London. Pitts has a top 5 season at his position. He has the ability, to be a true difference maker at the position. There are so many good WR's, I don't believe London does.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby Anteaters » Fri Dec 08, 2023 7:12 am

tstafford wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 2:57 am
RheinlandChief wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:58 am Not sure about my share. People are not paying a lot for Pitts right now.
Maybe I can get two late 2nd-Rounders for him but I feel, that i would regret that... I still have hopes for my broken toy
Is this the going price? I honestly have no idea what I'd pay for Pitts (who I don't have on any team). Seems like a tough piece to move. I wonder if Pitts or London carries more value right now.
I'm not sure who carries more value, but personally I value London 2x Pitts.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby FantasyFreak » Fri Dec 08, 2023 7:55 am

Anteaters wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 7:12 am
tstafford wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 2:57 am
RheinlandChief wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:58 am Not sure about my share. People are not paying a lot for Pitts right now.
Maybe I can get two late 2nd-Rounders for him but I feel, that i would regret that... I still have hopes for my broken toy
Is this the going price? I honestly have no idea what I'd pay for Pitts (who I don't have on any team). Seems like a tough piece to move. I wonder if Pitts or London carries more value right now.
I'm not sure who carries more value, but personally I value London 2x Pitts.
I value it the other way. In TEP, even moreso. London has not been a difference maker through almost 2 years at his position, and I don't think he ever will be. Pitts was as a rookie, and I think he will again.

London is a low end WR 4 right now. Pitts is still a high end TE2. There's a lot less Pitts has to do, to be a difference maker, due to position, at this point. To each their own, though.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby RheinlandChief » Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:01 am

tstafford wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 2:57 am
RheinlandChief wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:58 am Not sure about my share. People are not paying a lot for Pitts right now.
Maybe I can get two late 2nd-Rounders for him but I feel, that i would regret that... I still have hopes for my broken toy
Is this the going price? I honestly have no idea what I'd pay for Pitts (who I don't have on any team). Seems like a tough piece to move. I wonder if Pitts or London carries more value right now.
Sadly so, yes. And even the second 2nd-Round-Pick was not the initally offer. Just one of the picks. this is just sad.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby FantasyFreak » Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:07 am

RheinlandChief wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:01 am
tstafford wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 2:57 am
RheinlandChief wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:58 am Not sure about my share. People are not paying a lot for Pitts right now.
Maybe I can get two late 2nd-Rounders for him but I feel, that i would regret that... I still have hopes for my broken toy
Is this the going price? I honestly have no idea what I'd pay for Pitts (who I don't have on any team). Seems like a tough piece to move. I wonder if Pitts or London carries more value right now.
Sadly so, yes. And even the second 2nd-Round-Pick was not the initally offer. Just one of the picks. this is just sad.
Not if you're willing to hold. Trade value only matters if you want to trade a guy. Like it was said, Pitts could have a Hock like career arc. In fact, I think it's likely. Just hold, and wait it out. I think this is a valley, not a peak. I'm trying to get Pitts everywhere, with the growing skepticism.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby CGW » Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:26 am

FantasyFreak wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:07 am
RheinlandChief wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:01 am
tstafford wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 2:57 am

Is this the going price? I honestly have no idea what I'd pay for Pitts (who I don't have on any team). Seems like a tough piece to move. I wonder if Pitts or London carries more value right now.
Sadly so, yes. And even the second 2nd-Round-Pick was not the initally offer. Just one of the picks. this is just sad.
Not if you're willing to hold. Trade value only matters if you want to trade a guy. Like it was said, Pitts could have a Hock like career arc. In fact, I think it's likely. Just hold, and wait it out. I think this is a valley, not a peak. I'm trying to get Pitts everywhere, with the growing skepticism.
Great buy low. Previous high draft pick, obvious talent, decent production early, stuck in a bad situation. Situation will change at some point. Either he gets a new QB, or a new coach, or he eventually gets moved. Seems like a pretty low risk investment to me at current prices.

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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby Anteaters » Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:03 am

I don't think the question is whether or not Pitts is a good buy low player. There are a lot of players worth buying low. An argument could be made that almost every player has a good "buy low" price. I think that term is almost overused.

The question is whether or not Pitts is a good buy relatively high player. Another good question is 1:1 scenarios. Like..
What side is better in no TEP? London:Pitts
What side is better in .5TEP? London:Pitts
What side is better in 1.0 TEP? London:Pitts

Or, in 12tm SF .5TEP would you rather have...
Pitts:1.06
Pitts: 1.10+Warren
Pitts: 2.01+Chig
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WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
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RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby CGW » Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:34 am

Anteaters wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:03 am I don't think the question is whether or not Pitts is a good buy low player. There are a lot of players worth buying low. An argument could be made that almost every player has a good "buy low" price. I think that term is almost overused.

The question is whether or not Pitts is a good buy relatively high player. Another good question is 1:1 scenarios. Like..
What side is better in no TEP? London:Pitts
What side is better in .5TEP? London:Pitts
What side is better in 1.0 TEP? London:Pitts

Or, in 12tm SF .5TEP would you rather have...
Pitts:1.06 - 1.06 easily
Pitts: 1.10+Warren - wash
Pitts: 2.01+Chig - Pitts
Basically, I'm not giving up a premium pick for him, but you start getting into the late 1st early 2nd and thats where he becomes worth a look. That's the definition of buying low. A guy who was worth significantly more and the value has dropped to the point where it is now an acceptable gamble that he will increase in value.

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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby Jigga94 » Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:38 am

CGW wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:34 am
Anteaters wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:03 am I don't think the question is whether or not Pitts is a good buy low player. There are a lot of players worth buying low. An argument could be made that almost every player has a good "buy low" price. I think that term is almost overused.

The question is whether or not Pitts is a good buy relatively high player. Another good question is 1:1 scenarios. Like..
What side is better in no TEP? London:Pitts
What side is better in .5TEP? London:Pitts
What side is better in 1.0 TEP? London:Pitts

Or, in 12tm SF .5TEP would you rather have...
Pitts:1.06 - 1.06 easily
Pitts: 1.10+Warren - wash
Pitts: 2.01+Chig - Pitts
Basically, I'm not giving up a premium pick for him, but you start getting into the late 1st early 2nd and thats where he becomes worth a look. That's the definition of buying low. A guy who was worth significantly more and the value has dropped to the point where it is now an acceptable gamble that he will increase in value.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby Anteaters » Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:40 am

CGW wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:34 am
Anteaters wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:03 am I don't think the question is whether or not Pitts is a good buy low player. There are a lot of players worth buying low. An argument could be made that almost every player has a good "buy low" price. I think that term is almost overused.

The question is whether or not Pitts is a good buy relatively high player. Another good question is 1:1 scenarios. Like..
What side is better in no TEP? London:Pitts
What side is better in .5TEP? London:Pitts
What side is better in 1.0 TEP? London:Pitts

Or, in 12tm SF .5TEP would you rather have...
Pitts:1.06 - 1.06 easily
Pitts: 1.10+Warren - wash
Pitts: 2.01+Chig - Pitts
Basically, I'm not giving up a premium pick for him, but you start getting into the late 1st early 2nd and thats where he becomes worth a look. That's the definition of buying low. A guy who was worth significantly more and the value has dropped to the point where it is now an acceptable gamble that he will increase in value.
That's all fair and your opinion, which I was glad to hear.

Hearing real values helps me put a better idea on what someone is saying than reading/hearing "good buy low" or "good sell high".

I'm not looking to agree or disagree. Just like to get a better idea of what values people are actually putting on players.
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QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
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14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby CGW » Fri Dec 08, 2023 12:06 pm

Anteaters wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:40 am
CGW wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:34 am
Anteaters wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:03 am I don't think the question is whether or not Pitts is a good buy low player. There are a lot of players worth buying low. An argument could be made that almost every player has a good "buy low" price. I think that term is almost overused.

The question is whether or not Pitts is a good buy relatively high player. Another good question is 1:1 scenarios. Like..
What side is better in no TEP? London:Pitts
What side is better in .5TEP? London:Pitts
What side is better in 1.0 TEP? London:Pitts

Or, in 12tm SF .5TEP would you rather have...
Pitts:1.06 - 1.06 easily
Pitts: 1.10+Warren - wash
Pitts: 2.01+Chig - Pitts
Basically, I'm not giving up a premium pick for him, but you start getting into the late 1st early 2nd and thats where he becomes worth a look. That's the definition of buying low. A guy who was worth significantly more and the value has dropped to the point where it is now an acceptable gamble that he will increase in value.
That's all fair and your opinion, which I was glad to hear.

Hearing real values helps me put a better idea on what someone is saying than reading/hearing "good buy low" or "good sell high".

I'm not looking to agree or disagree. Just like to get a better idea of what values people are actually putting on players.
I just paid an early to mid 2nd for him, so that's where I peg his value at. Clearly I'm betting it goes up at some point in the future and I feel like that's a good bet, but I've been wrong before once or twice.

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Re: Unpopular Opinion: You will waste your premium 1st round pick on Kyle Pitts.

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Fri Dec 08, 2023 12:13 pm

CGW wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:34 am
Anteaters wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:03 am I don't think the question is whether or not Pitts is a good buy low player. There are a lot of players worth buying low. An argument could be made that almost every player has a good "buy low" price. I think that term is almost overused.

The question is whether or not Pitts is a good buy relatively high player. Another good question is 1:1 scenarios. Like..
What side is better in no TEP? London:Pitts
What side is better in .5TEP? London:Pitts
What side is better in 1.0 TEP? London:Pitts

Or, in 12tm SF .5TEP would you rather have...
Pitts:1.06 - 1.06 easily
Pitts: 1.10+Warren - wash
Pitts: 2.01+Chig - Pitts
Basically, I'm not giving up a premium pick for him, but you start getting into the late 1st early 2nd and thats where he becomes worth a look. That's the definition of buying low. A guy who was worth significantly more and the value has dropped to the point where it is now an acceptable gamble that he will increase in value.
I'd take 2.01+Chig over Pitts. I think Chig and Pitts are probably pretty close (they are far apart on KTC but i don't think they should be), and the 2.01 in SF TEP is no joke.


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