The Deshaun Watson Discussion Thread

[FantasyFreak]

I don’t think there is any question Watson plays again. Hell, Vick went to prison and came back ~ 4 years later after all. I do start to wonder whether this will keep him out of at least a portion of 2022, though.

I'll never understand the Vick comparison with this situation. As much as a vocal minority will contest it; animals are not the same as humans. While both are despicable acts, killing dogs does not compare to (assuming it's true) sexually assaulting a woman/multiple women. Watson could very well come back and play in the league again, but using Vick as the measuring stick is a bad comparison to me. Public perception of their crimes and the lasting impression they'll leave on people will differ greatly in my opinion.

he didn't sexually assault any women. where did you get that from? he has some weird fetish. i don't think he forced them to do anything.

Where did you get your info from? There are a bunch of cases, claiming he did sexually assault them. There are also ten open criminal accounts claiming sexual assault. You need to look into more of the claims, some of them are pretty bad. There are certain cases where they are claiming he did force them into things, and or did inappropriate things with his unmentionables.

Here's just one example.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/ ... texans-nfl

[Kurt G.O.A.T.]

I'll never understand the Vick comparison with this situation. As much as a vocal minority will contest it; animals are not the same as humans. While both are despicable acts, killing dogs does not compare to (assuming it's true) sexually assaulting a woman/multiple women. Watson could very well come back and play in the league again, but using Vick as the measuring stick is a bad comparison to me. Public perception of their crimes and the lasting impression they'll leave on people will differ greatly in my opinion.

he didn't sexually assault any women. where did you get that from? he has some weird fetish. i don't think he forced them to do anything.

Where did you get your info from? There are a bunch of cases, claiming he did sexually assault them. There are also ten open criminal accounts claiming sexual assault. You need to look into more of the claims, some of them are pretty bad. There are certain cases where they are claiming he did force them into things, and or did inappropriate things with his unmentionables.

Here's just one example.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/ ... texans-nfl

i remember reading all of them back when it all started. they were all the same except for a couple which seemed odd and thus probably made up. if this guy gets off by women massaging his groin area near his dick he's not gonna change his habit by raping them. that doesn't make sense.

anyway, we'll find out the truth maybe during the court case. although in all he said, she said cases we'll be hearing two different versions of the truth.

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I imagine he'll get a time served "credit" for this season. NFL will need to suspend him too, but he's already not playing this year.

Time served????? ........He is getting paid for nothing right now.

I didn't realize he was getting paid. That's absurd. I figured the Texans weren't playing him as a form of suspension.

They aren't suspending him. They are making him a healthy scratch every week. He's happy to sit at home and get paid and force his way out of Houston. Houston is happy to have a disgruntled player not near the team and like having an argument that they are doing the right thing.

[Anteaters]

A suspension is 100% coming for Watson. This lost, paid and unsuspended season is only the beginning. Once the legal system runs the course, the NFL will officially suspend Watson for at least half a season if not an entire season.

[Orenthal Shames]

With the NFL not wanting to intervene in the legal process, if Watson is traded prior to the deadline, what would be keeping him from playing in 2021? He could have played up to this point had the Texans done so.

[Anteaters]

With the NFL not wanting to intervene in the legal process, if Watson is traded prior to the deadline, what would be keeping him from playing in 2021? He could have played up to this point had the Texans done so.

Houston has been very clear that Watson will not play for them until the legal issues are resolved. If Watson was traded to a team that intended to play Watson immediately, I think the NFL would put Watson on the commissioner's exempt list which would allow him to be paid but not play. Then Watson would be suspended without pay (and likely have to refund part of his signing bonus) if found guilty of any charges.

[Jigga94]

With the NFL not wanting to intervene in the legal process, if Watson is traded prior to the deadline, what would be keeping him from playing in 2021? He could have played up to this point had the Texans done so.

I would think he would play immediately, barring learning the system or whatever. It's just does a team want to take on the optics? Do they NEED Watson? Are they contenders that are only missing a QB? Do they have the capital to make Houston want to trade him? That's assuming the NFL wouldn't make him exempt the second he's traded.

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With the NFL not wanting to intervene in the legal process, if Watson is traded prior to the deadline, what would be keeping him from playing in 2021? He could have played up to this point had the Texans done so.

I don't think this is the case.

The NFL has adopted a policy of not screwing up. If they do nothing and let Houston keep him off the field, the NFL can't screw up. People may complain that Watson is being paid, but NFL can deflect and say that Houston is handling the situation right now and that the NFL will wait for more information. If he's traded to a team that plans on playing him the NFL would likely act (and I'm assuming the team trading for Watson would be aware of what the penalty would likely be).

[FantasyFreak]

A suspension is 100% coming for Watson. This lost, paid and unsuspended season is only the beginning. Once the legal system runs the course, the NFL will officially suspend Watson for at least half a season if not an entire season.

Yeah, 7th game of 2022 is the earliest he's going to play, IMO.

[blemly]

I'll never understand the Vick comparison with this situation. As much as a vocal minority will contest it; animals are not the same as humans. While both are despicable acts, killing dogs does not compare to (assuming it's true) sexually assaulting a woman/multiple women. Watson could very well come back and play in the league again, but using Vick as the measuring stick is a bad comparison to me. Public perception of their crimes and the lasting impression they'll leave on people will differ greatly in my opinion.

Comparing crimes and deciding which is worse is a slippery slope. That said, Vick's crimes were unbelievably despicable and there aren't too many things I'd consider worse. There's no lasting impression on Vick's victims (the dogs) because they're all dead (many by his hand).

People don't realize/remember what Vick did, which is why he gets a pass (beyond the vocal minority you're referencing). Watson's alleged crimes are terrible, too, so I won't say one is worse than the other.

Agree. A comparison of the offenses themselves isn't the point of the exercise. The example is brought up simply to show the NFL rarely slams the door on a talented player.

Thank you. The point of my post above wasn’t to compare crimes at all. Rather, I was trying to say this exactly: Watson is a talented player and will always have a NFL spot available for him as long as that is the case.

[gogobradyarm]

Since we're all breaking out our crystal balls here, I'm going to predict a trade in the next 7 days. Watson plays this season, and settles his cases out of court in the off-season. He may receive a 6 game suspension at that point, but hard to say. He isn't going to miss a full season, people are quick to forget the NFL doesn't give a crap about ethics and they never have, it's all about MONEY!

Think about Richard Sherman, Vick, Hunt, Mixon, Ray Lewis, a slew of other players! You take a guy like Watson, who is a terrific player at his position, and the NFL wants him on the field as soon as possible.

[Space Cowboy]

The eagles desperately need him.

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The eagles desperately need him.

so do the Colts and Fins

[FantasyFreak]

Since we're all breaking out our crystal balls here, I'm going to predict a trade in the next 7 days. Watson plays this season, and settles his cases out of court in the off-season. He may receive a 6 game suspension at that point, but hard to say. He isn't going to miss a full season, people are quick to forget the NFL doesn't give a crap about ethics and they never have, it's all about MONEY!

Think about Richard Sherman, Vick, Hunt, Mixon, Ray Lewis, a slew of other players! You take a guy like Watson, who is a terrific player at his position, and the NFL wants him on the field as soon as possible.

I don't see much chance he's playing this year. I don't see any team trading for him until the court stuff is settled. Too much risk. The NFL doesn't need him, they aren't concerned with wether or not he's on the field this year. The league is killing it this year, and there are so many crazy endings etc.,.... nobody cares about Watson. Nobody is saying "man, the NFL just isn't the same this year, without Deshaun". I sometimes think peoples takes are influenced on whether they roster him or not, in Fantasy. I think most people who roster Watson are in denial about the likelihood he plays this season. The NFL is probably glad they don't have to make a decision on him right now.

[FantasyFreak]

The eagles desperately need him.

so do the Colts and Fins

Wentz is actually the least of their worries right now. Their OL and playcalling, specifically in the red zone are dreadful.