J-Rob(+) vs. OBJ(+)

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J-Rob(+) vs. OBJ(+)

Postby Prison_Mike » Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:19 am

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I’ll be a strong contender this year. I’ve got a guy looking for a RB and inquired about J-Rob

Would this be a fair offer?

Give: J.Robinson + Mooney
Get: OBJ + 2.03 + 2.05

I’m hesitant to give up any RBs because it’s nice to actually have a little depth at the position. But Robinson is obviously a bit of a risk

I have no picks this year atm
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RB: Taylor, Saquon, Javonte, Conner, Lloyd, R.Davis, Vidal, Tracy
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Olave, Diggs, Diontae, Hollywood, MT, Shaheed
TE: Engram, Bowers, Woods

Team 2:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Mahomes, Allen, Russ
RB: Breece, JT, Swift, Javonte, Mostert, Zamir, Irving
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Nico, Kupp, Kirk, Hollywood, MT
TE: Pitts, Njoku, Woods

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Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Hurts, Dak, Stafford, Z.Wilson, DTR
RB: Saquon, Swift, Achane, Kamara, Ford
WR: Jefferson, AJB, ARSB, Nico, Diontae, Wicks, OBJ
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Re: J-Rob(+) vs. OBJ(+)

Postby Gator Sens » Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:22 am

Even with Robinson having some risk, I would rather hold here. Beckham is not a great asset at this point and the 2nd's are not great compensation for what Robinson showed last year in my opinion. Pass as a contender.

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Re: J-Rob(+) vs. OBJ(+)

Postby jwb32 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:23 am

As a potential contender, I think you need that 4th RB more than you need OBJ and the picks.
TEAM 1: 12 team league. 1.0 PPR WR/TE 0.5 PPR RB
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 2Flex, 1TE, 1DST
QBs- Lamar, Wentz
RBs- Javonte,Sanders, Michel,Howard,JJackson,JWilson
WRs- DJM,McLaurin,Higgins,DeVonta Smith,Jeudy, OBJ,Bateman,Treadwell,Crowder
TEs- Fant, Muth,Irv Smith
1.07,1.11,3.09

TEAM 2: 12 team league. 0.1 ppc 0.5 ppr. TE 1 ppr
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 2Flex, 1TE,
QBs-Watson, Davis, Huntley
RBs- Javonte,Akers, ETN,Gore,Dallas
WRs- McClaurin,DJM,Godwin,Diontae,MarquiseBr, Mooney,Van Jefferson,Collins,Atwell
TEs- Hock, Kmet,Trautman,AlbertO
1.04, 2.04, 4.04

TEAM 3: 12 team league. 0.5 ppr, 0.5/fd
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 2WRs, 2Flex, 1TE,
QBs- Lamar,Stafford
RBs- JT, Fournette, DHarris,Chuba,Collins,Gaskin,DHarris,Penny,Murray, Snell
WRs- Chase, DJM, Allen, Bateman, Julio, ElijahM, Mims, Crowder
TEs- Waller, Morneau,Njoku
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Re: J-Rob(+) vs. OBJ(+)

Postby krtbuckeye » Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:26 am

I'm not a huge believer in Robinson moving forward, even if he keeps the starting role, based on the fact that he was essentially fed more than any other RB in the league when he played. A 73% opp share for the year, good for 2nd in the league behind Henry, but spikes to 84% if you exclude the 2 games he missed. I just don't see that volume sustaining with a better QB and an Urban Meyer offense. All that said, I'd rather still Robinson in the event that he does keep a solid role and produces. I think Mooney progresses as well. I don't see a ton of upside in taking on OBJ any longer and the picks don't do much for me in 1QB.
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Re: J-Rob(+) vs. OBJ(+)

Postby tsarpepe » Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:28 am

The scales are balanced as far as value goes, but it really comes down to team needs. And as others have pointed out, it doesn't seem like you need OBJ with that strong WR corps. Is it because you have him in Team 1 and want to duplicate? :shifty:

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Re: J-Rob(+) vs. OBJ(+)

Postby DonBrazi » Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:34 pm

Straight up, I'd take ODB over JRob. It has more to do with their respective risk profiles than anything else. But it also has to do with what we're all trying to do this early in every offseason for all time.. sell high on RBs while you can.

And because I don't really value Mooney, I'd muuuuch rather take the side with the picks.

ODB > JRob
2.03 > Mooney
2.05 > 0
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Dak, Murray, Wentz, Darnold, Fitzpatrick
CEH, Gibson, Sanders, Javonte, Moss, Nwangwu
ARob, Sutton, ODB, Parker, Ruggs, Miller, Boykin
Waller, Hockenson, Pitts, OJH, Trautman, Gesicki, Everett
2022 1st (2), 2nd, 3rd, 4th

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Dak, Murray, LJax, *Rattler
Etienne, AJD, Hubbard, Stevenson, Hawkins, *Spiller
Sutton, ODB, Jeudy, Reagor, Shenault, Rodgers, Kirk, Boykin, *G.Wilson
Hockenson, Jonnu, Firkser, Asiasi
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Re: J-Rob(+) vs. OBJ(+)

Postby Bay City Original » Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:40 pm

I'd prefer OBJ and the picks, however, I'm still holding out hope for OBJ as a WR2- and not sold on JRob.
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QB: Allen, Love
RB: Mixon, AJones,,Swift, Dillon, Dobbins
WR: Jefferson, AJB, Tyreek, DJM, Sutton,
TE: Hockenson
2.02, 2.05

Team 2 -12 Team, 0.5 PPR, QRRWWWTF - 2023 Champ
QB: Murray, Love
RB: Hall, Gibbs, Kyren, Walker, Dobbins, KMitchell, EMitchell
WR: DSmith, Addison, Kupp DJM, Nabers, Dionte, Wicks
TE: Engram, Mayer, Waller

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QB: Purdy, Dak Daniels, Stafford
RB: Taylor, Henry, Najee, Warren, ZMoss EMitchell
WR: Olave, Samuel, DJM,Sutton
TE: Kittle, Bowers, Ertz
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Re: J-Rob(+) vs. OBJ(+)

Postby Adam_172 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:53 pm

With this evenings news on JAX wanting to bring in comp. I take the OBJ side
TEAM 1
Dynasty PPR 1QB (12 Team League)

QB - Murray, Fields, Pickett, Howell.
RB - Gibbs, R. White, Swift, Javonte Williams, Charbonnet, Allegier, Tank Bigsby, Penny.
WR - Nacua, Dell, Hollywood, Jameson Williams, Burks, Mooney, Atwell, Melton, Phillips, Washington, Lazard.
TE - Ferguson, Mayer, Knox.
DEF - Bills, Vikings.

Rookie Picks: 1.02, 2.02, 3.02, 4.02 and 5.02.


TEAM 2
Dynasty PPR - SuperFlex and TE Prem. (16 teams)

QB - Prescott, Pickett, Ridder, Mariota, Mullins, Willis.
RB - Walker III, R. White, Montgomery, Singletary, R. Jones, Mack, Hull, Sermon.
WR - Adams, Higgins, Watson, Meyers, Gabe Davis, W. Robinson, Dotson, Raymond, ARob.
TE - McBride, H. Henry, B. Jordan, Bates, B. Hopkins.

Rookie Picks: 2.14 and 3.14.

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Re: J-Rob(+) vs. OBJ(+)

Postby DonBrazi » Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:04 am

Adam_172 wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:53 pm With this evenings news on JAX wanting to bring in comp. I take the OBJ side
Not at all trying to pick on you, Adam_172, so please don't take it that way. I just think it's important thing to highlight that this isn't 'news' in any real sense. Not in the traditional sense (ie. nothing has happened), and more importantly, this is something we should have built into JRob's valuation back in September of 2020; it's 'news' we already knew. If this 'news' changes your view of JRob, you're doing something wrong.
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Dak, Murray, Wentz, Darnold, Fitzpatrick
CEH, Gibson, Sanders, Javonte, Moss, Nwangwu
ARob, Sutton, ODB, Parker, Ruggs, Miller, Boykin
Waller, Hockenson, Pitts, OJH, Trautman, Gesicki, Everett
2022 1st (2), 2nd, 3rd, 4th

War Room 12Team 28man: 1QB, 1RB, 1WR, 1TE, 4Flex, 1Superflex: .5/1/1.5 Tiered-PPR, 1-Round Devy league
Dak, Murray, LJax, *Rattler
Etienne, AJD, Hubbard, Stevenson, Hawkins, *Spiller
Sutton, ODB, Jeudy, Reagor, Shenault, Rodgers, Kirk, Boykin, *G.Wilson
Hockenson, Jonnu, Firkser, Asiasi
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Re: J-Rob(+) vs. OBJ(+)

Postby Adam_172 » Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:31 am

DonBrazi wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:04 am
Adam_172 wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:53 pm With this evenings news on JAX wanting to bring in comp. I take the OBJ side
Not at all trying to pick on you, Adam_172, so please don't take it that way. I just think it's important thing to highlight that this isn't 'news' in any real sense. Not in the traditional sense (ie. nothing has happened), and more importantly, this is something we should have built into JRob's valuation back in September of 2020; it's 'news' we already knew. If this 'news' changes your view of JRob, you're doing something wrong.
Always good to start a dialogue :D

I think the fact that JAX thought they needed to make it clear that the want to bring in an RB means they don't see JRob as the long term answer.

There is no 'news' of TEN, CAR, CLE, MIN, NYG etc. stating they want to bring in an RB on board as they all have elite RB's (fantasy or actual play). I think this 'news' should be taken seriously.
TEAM 1
Dynasty PPR 1QB (12 Team League)

QB - Murray, Fields, Pickett, Howell.
RB - Gibbs, R. White, Swift, Javonte Williams, Charbonnet, Allegier, Tank Bigsby, Penny.
WR - Nacua, Dell, Hollywood, Jameson Williams, Burks, Mooney, Atwell, Melton, Phillips, Washington, Lazard.
TE - Ferguson, Mayer, Knox.
DEF - Bills, Vikings.

Rookie Picks: 1.02, 2.02, 3.02, 4.02 and 5.02.


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Dynasty PPR - SuperFlex and TE Prem. (16 teams)

QB - Prescott, Pickett, Ridder, Mariota, Mullins, Willis.
RB - Walker III, R. White, Montgomery, Singletary, R. Jones, Mack, Hull, Sermon.
WR - Adams, Higgins, Watson, Meyers, Gabe Davis, W. Robinson, Dotson, Raymond, ARob.
TE - McBride, H. Henry, B. Jordan, Bates, B. Hopkins.

Rookie Picks: 2.14 and 3.14.

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Re: J-Rob(+) vs. OBJ(+)

Postby Prison_Mike » Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:37 am

Adam_172 wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:31 am
DonBrazi wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:04 am
Adam_172 wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:53 pm With this evenings news on JAX wanting to bring in comp. I take the OBJ side
Not at all trying to pick on you, Adam_172, so please don't take it that way. I just think it's important thing to highlight that this isn't 'news' in any real sense. Not in the traditional sense (ie. nothing has happened), and more importantly, this is something we should have built into JRob's valuation back in September of 2020; it's 'news' we already knew. If this 'news' changes your view of JRob, you're doing something wrong.
Always good to start a dialogue :D

I think the fact that JAX thought they needed to make it clear that the want to bring in an RB means they don't see JRob as the long term answer.

There is no 'news' of TEN, CAR, CLE, MIN, NYG etc. stating they want to bring in an RB on board as they all have elite RB's (fantasy or actual play). I think this 'news' should be taken seriously.
To play devil's advocate, all of the teams you listed have a capable/competent backup or #2 in their backfield.

JAX has one of the thinnest backfields in the league. Who's behind him? Ozigbo?-unknown; Thompson?-inconsistent/never healthy; Armstead?-missed most of the season IIRC; Dare-depth guy at best. They almost have no choice to add to the backfield. I agree that he's a risk, but this is largely dependent on the level of RB they add

However to your point, there are A LOT of people who made the exact point you just made on various forums in the dynasty community. So regardless of the implications of this report, it's going to effect Robinson's market value

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Re: J-Rob(+) vs. OBJ(+)

Postby Anteaters » Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:30 am

I don't have much faith in Robinson maintaining his fantasy RB1 role long term, but I think he'll be a points producer for the 2021 season. Normally, I'd probably lean in favor or trading him for a fantasy WR2 who was not old. The problem for me is I'm lower on OBJ than almost anyone. I admit that may make it a me-thing and OBJ may not be as risky a player as I think.

But for me the answer would be no. Not "no do not seek to trade Robinson" - but "no, OBJ does not have more value than JR."
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RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, Singletary, AJD, CEH, Spiller
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Re: J-Rob(+) vs. OBJ(+)

Postby Buckhill Bombers » Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:40 am

Mooney is no throw in either, I'd want Rob and Mooney here (and I'm not even crazy sold on Robinson)


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