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Bronco Billy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:03 pm Trey Lance pro day:

https://www.nfl.com/videos/trey-lance-s ... highlights

Kid looks the part. Big arm. Nice touch. Can look away and quickly retarget.

Seemed to me that he throws at his target rather than where the target will be - some throws behind receivers or waiting for them to break out of their cuts before cutting loose. Can he throw receivers open? Not sure after watching that.

Lot of wasted steps after initial drop. I’d like to see him plant and throw rather than recapture his platform every time.

Throwing against air has such limited value, but it’s better than nothing after his lost season.

Just my thoughts.

He was accurate throwing to his left and down the middle of the field.

Throws to his right were highly volatile.

Going to be interesting to see if he can clear that area of his game up as one of the reasons he's being hyped up is his arm talent being able to stretch the field that defenses need to cover.

Most QBs that struggle with one area of the field don't get substantially better, though..

Apparently NE called on Jimmy G before signing Newton, and were told he wasn’t available.

Feels like if they were planning on drafting somebody they’d be more inclined to at least listen to offers.

OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:40 pm Apparently NE called on Jimmy G before signing Newton, and were told he wasn’t available.

Feels like if they were planning on drafting somebody they’d be more inclined to at least listen to offers.

Or they fully intend on Jimmy being the QB this year because they don't want to start a rookie QB when they have legitimate SB aspirations, but do want their own Patrick Mahomes who they can sit and develop for a year and then take over in year 2. Fields and Lance are both pretty realistic trade up targets for them, and most believe they could use some extra development (Lance especially) before being thrown into the fire, and what team is better suited for that kind of scenario than SF?

bjd5211 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:51 pm

OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:40 pm Apparently NE called on Jimmy G before signing Newton, and were told he wasn’t available.

Feels like if they were planning on drafting somebody they’d be more inclined to at least listen to offers.

Or they fully intend on Jimmy being the QB this year because they don't want to start a rookie QB when they have legitimate SB aspirations, but do want their own Patrick Mahomes who they can sit and develop for a year and then take over in year 2. Fields and Lance are both pretty realistic trade up targets for them, and most believe they could use some extra development (Lance especially) before being thrown into the fire, and what team is better suited for that kind of scenario than SF?

It seems like a really narrow window between “believes Garoppolo is so valuable that they won’t listen to offers this year” and “likely to trade up and spend a first round pick on his replacement.”

Believe me, I’d like to see Fields or Lance land in SF too, but if this rumor is true I don’t think it’s likely.

OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:14 pm

bjd5211 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:51 pm

OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:40 pm Apparently NE called on Jimmy G before signing Newton, and were told he wasn’t available.

Feels like if they were planning on drafting somebody they’d be more inclined to at least listen to offers.

Or they fully intend on Jimmy being the QB this year because they don't want to start a rookie QB when they have legitimate SB aspirations, but do want their own Patrick Mahomes who they can sit and develop for a year and then take over in year 2. Fields and Lance are both pretty realistic trade up targets for them, and most believe they could use some extra development (Lance especially) before being thrown into the fire, and what team is better suited for that kind of scenario than SF?

It seems like a really narrow window between “believes Garoppolo is so valuable that they won’t listen to offers this year” and “likely to trade up and spend a first round pick on his replacement.”

Believe me, I’d like to see Fields or Lance land in SF too, but if this rumor is true I don’t think it’s likely.

We saw a similar thing happen with Derek Carr and the Raiders. They put them on the block for a bit to get a feel for what these QBs could return in a trade, and when they decided their value to their team far outweighed what teams were willing to give them they 'committed' to them for the off-season.

If one of the premier QB talents make it to LV they're probably drafting them, same for SF.. but I expect those guys to be long gone by pick 12.

OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:14 pm

bjd5211 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:51 pm

OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:40 pm Apparently NE called on Jimmy G before signing Newton, and were told he wasn’t available.

Feels like if they were planning on drafting somebody they’d be more inclined to at least listen to offers.

Or they fully intend on Jimmy being the QB this year because they don't want to start a rookie QB when they have legitimate SB aspirations, but do want their own Patrick Mahomes who they can sit and develop for a year and then take over in year 2. Fields and Lance are both pretty realistic trade up targets for them, and most believe they could use some extra development (Lance especially) before being thrown into the fire, and what team is better suited for that kind of scenario than SF?

It seems like a really narrow window between “believes Garoppolo is so valuable that they won’t listen to offers this year” and “likely to trade up and spend a first round pick on his replacement.”

Believe me, I’d like to see Fields or Lance land in SF too, but if this rumor is true I don’t think it’s likely.

Not really. Trading Jimmy G to NE would mean they wouldn't be getting a QB in return, and then that would telegraph to the league they will definitely be in the QB market in the draft. So then they run the risk of having no QB this year if they trade Jimmy and don't draft a QB, which completely eliminates their SB hopes possibly for several years because they won't have a great path to acquiring one next year either. Where as keeping Jimmy means it's not a guarantee they are after a QB in the draft, and aren't screwed if they don't get one. Jimmy has a lot more onfield value for them than anything he would fetch in return in a trade, so why trade him and then open up a glaring hole on your roster that they aren't guaranteed to be able to fill? And even if they did trade him and still end up with Fields or Lance, they still are probably going to be better this year with Jimmy at QB than a rookie. There's just not much for them to gain in trading him until they atleast have a definite replacement on the roster.

Sorry I stepped away for a little...maybe pour one out for someone who drafted Rosen in the first round! Lol

bjd5211 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:51 pm

OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:40 pm Apparently NE called on Jimmy G before signing Newton, and were told he wasn’t available.

Feels like if they were planning on drafting somebody they’d be more inclined to at least listen to offers.

Or they fully intend on Jimmy being the QB this year because they don't want to start a rookie QB when they have legitimate SB aspirations, but do want their own Patrick Mahomes who they can sit and develop for a year and then take over in year 2. Fields and Lance are both pretty realistic trade up targets for them, and most believe they could use some extra development (Lance especially) before being thrown into the fire, and what team is better suited for that kind of scenario than SF?

One thing that seems more plausible than “we won’t discuss trading a guy we’re planning on moving on from after next year” is “we won’t discuss trading a guy who is a key part of our Watson negotiations.”

I agree that it makes a lot of sense for SF to draft a replacement then phase out Garoppolo; I just think it’s a weird move to not take the draft capital you could get for him now if that was the case.

I should also mention that we don’t actually know what happened. The report indicates that he was “unavailable” but that could mean NE offered a 3rd and a 6th and SF told them to get lost.

Jimmy G wins games. When he is not on the field the 49's lose games. They may draft and develop a QB but the reality is he is a very good QB when on the field. This team is really good so they should be reluctant to trade him this season.

No question health has been an issue but none of these injuries are career threatening.

Looks like the better time to move him is after this season IMO.

To get this back on track, and I know I had some divergence in here, but I now think 5 may go in the top 15? Will get 6 is the question.

Lumps wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:19 pm To get this back on track, and I know I had some divergence in here, but I now think 5 may go in the top 15? Will get 6 is the question.

I really doubt it.

Ice wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:51 pm Jimmy G wins games. When he is not on the field the 49's lose games. They may draft and develop a QB but the reality is he is a very good QB when on the field. This team is really good so they should be reluctant to trade him this season.

No question health has been an issue but none of these injuries are career threatening.

Looks like the better time to move him is after this season IMO.

Jimmy G's team carries him to wins yes

With a good QB on the 49ers we are ringless last year

Lumps wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:19 pm To get this back on track, and I know I had some divergence in here, but I now think 5 may go in the top 15? Will get 6 is the question.

Only if Chris Simms gets a GM job between now and then.

bjd5211 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:42 pm

Lumps wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:19 pm To get this back on track, and I know I had some divergence in here, but I now think 5 may go in the top 15? Will get 6 is the question.

Only if Chris Simms gets a GM job between now and then.

I mean I'll take a bet on 5 going in the top 15

6 in the 1st round probably isn't happening though

StripesOfKC wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:36 pm

Ice wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:51 pm Jimmy G wins games. When he is not on the field the 49's lose games. They may draft and develop a QB but the reality is he is a very good QB when on the field. This team is really good so they should be reluctant to trade him this season.

No question health has been an issue but none of these injuries are career threatening.

Looks like the better time to move him is after this season IMO.

Jimmy G's team carries him to wins yes

With a good QB on the 49ers we are ringless last year

Reality Check

49's record with and without Jimmy G
24-9 with
7-26 without

Easy to say the team carried him right up until you see the same team's record without him.

Not saying they shouldn't upgrade at all but today he is by far the best they have so ejecting early would not be that smart. Given their players under contract and future cap position they will probably draft a QB round 1 this season and develop him.