Clyde Edwards-Helaire is your new 1.01

[FantasyFreak]

18 Fumbles certainly is tangible and is concerning. He is a very good RB with speed but he doesn't hold the ball high and tight. This isn't his only flaw and it is something that can be fixed like T. Barber did back in the day but to discount this completely would be pretty foolish.

It's a red flag whether ones an advocate or not. One main reason IMO he slips to 4th best RB on many rankings.

His fumble rate is high, but at least 2 were not his fault. One was on an exchange that was credited to him, but was completely the QB's fault, another on a catch where he barely had possession and the defender just made an insanely good play hitting the ball, any RB would have fumbled it. I do not have the time or resources to watch them all, but although it is a concern, it's not a major one fo me.

[FantasyFreak]

Just found this, and it's very interesting. One of my knocks on CEH was his pass pro. According to this, the Chiefs use their RB's in pass pro very little. Really interesting article.

https://www.rotoworld.com/article/going ... ing-report

[Pac_Eddy]

Just found this, and it's very interesting. One of my knocks on CEH was his pass pro. According to this, the Chiefs use their RB's in pass pro very little. Really interesting article.

https://www.rotoworld.com/article/going ... ing-report

That article is a nice find, particularly the rate at which RBs are asked to pass block.

Tangent: Rotoworld needs to quit with the ads & autoplay videos. I have ad blockers and some popups still get through on my phone. And I don't need to hear Mike Florio's voice this often. Make me dictator of this country and I'll get rid of autoplay videos.

[FantasyFreak]

Just found this, and it's very interesting. One of my knocks on CEH was his pass pro. According to this, the Chiefs use their RB's in pass pro very little. Really interesting article.

https://www.rotoworld.com/article/going ... ing-report

That article is a nice find, particularly the rate at which RBs are asked to pass block.

Tangent: Rotoworld needs to quit with the ads & autoplay videos. I have ad blockers and some popups still get through on my phone. And I don't need to hear Mike Florio's voice this often. Make me dictator of this country and I'll get rid of autoplay videos.

LOL. Thanks, and that's a "Spiffy" avatar, you have, BTW.

[Lord_Varys]

I'm well aware of basic multiplcation tables.

Between Damien, Darrell, Shady and Darwin, they had 82 receptions last year. I think Damien still has a significant role next year, too.

Andy Reid does not target his running backs a ton. Certainly not as much as people think.

What he does do is scheme up very high impact rb targets. Early downs. Elaborate screens. It's quality, not quantity, and by the way he also always splits work.

KC targeted RB's 107 times last year with 80 plus % efficiency. No question they have a high quality passing game to RB's.

With CEH ability to run very well after the catch I could see them increasing a bit in this area. I project 60 receptions as a floor for CEH with plus 20 upside in receptions as a rookie.

I'm thinking more just about his separation and route running ability. Damien Williams has been a competent/capable pass catcher, but CEH on angle / texas / option routes ... one-on-one vs a middle linebacker ... as the WRs and threat of Mahomes clear everything else out .... I believe that CEH is rare in his ability to win that matchup and get himself wide open; and that this KC offense is rare in its ability to put that to good use.

[Sriracha]

Andy Reid does not target his running backs a ton. Certainly not as much as people think.

What he does do is scheme up very high impact rb targets. Early downs. Elaborate screens. It's quality, not quantity, and by the way he also always splits work.

KC targeted RB's 107 times last year with 80 plus % efficiency. No question they have a high quality passing game to RB's.

With CEH ability to run very well after the catch I could see them increasing a bit in this area. I project 60 receptions as a floor for CEH with plus 20 upside in receptions as a rookie.

I'm thinking more just about his separation and route running ability. Damien Williams has been a competent/capable pass catcher, but CEH on angle / texas / option routes ... one-on-one vs a middle linebacker ... as the WRs and threat of Mahomes clear everything else out .... I believe that CEH is rare in his ability to win that matchup and get himself wide open; and that this KC offense is rare in its ability to put that to good use.

I think Joe Brady did a really good job of scheming him and Justin Jeffery into good matchups. Hard to tell how much of it was CEH (considering he showed none of this before 2019) and how much of this was scheme. I do expect Reid to maximize his skillset, so it's not really an issue considering he landed in KC

[Lord_Varys]

I think Joe Brady did a really good job of scheming him and Justin Jeffery into good matchups. Hard to tell how much of it was CEH (considering he showed none of this before 2019) and how much of this was scheme. I do expect Reid to maximize his skillset, so it's not really an issue considering he landed in KC

Joe Brady did a good job, but man, CEH has nasty cuts and ability to get loose on those routes.

[Sriracha]

I think Joe Brady did a really good job of scheming him and Justin Jeffery into good matchups. Hard to tell how much of it was CEH (considering he showed none of this before 2019) and how much of this was scheme. I do expect Reid to maximize his skillset, so it's not really an issue considering he landed in KC

Joe Brady did a good job, but man, CEH has nasty cuts and ability to get loose on those routes.

Have you seen my boy, Eno Benjamin?

[mild]

I think Joe Brady did a really good job of scheming him and Justin Jeffery into good matchups. Hard to tell how much of it was CEH (considering he showed none of this before 2019) and how much of this was scheme. I do expect Reid to maximize his skillset, so it's not really an issue considering he landed in KC

Joe Brady did a good job, but man, CEH has nasty cuts and ability to get loose on those routes.

I know it's been talked about before, but Burrow himself called him the "best athlete he's played with" with literally zero hesitation.

Considering the other players on that list, it's a patently absurd claim - and yet, Burrow, who is clearly of level head and extremely sound football mind and IQ, still made it - and doubled down on it.

Clyde also came off the board first, over other prospects we once viewed as potentially generational (I remember the days of Swift 1.01) to a team with perhaps the brightest offensive mind in the NFL calling the plays, and the greatest QB in the NFL executing them - and Clyde was both of their personal picks, over anybody else.

At some point "what he did before 2019" should just be thrown out when the league tells you what it thinks of a player in such clear terms.

[Sriracha]

I think Joe Brady did a really good job of scheming him and Justin Jeffery into good matchups. Hard to tell how much of it was CEH (considering he showed none of this before 2019) and how much of this was scheme. I do expect Reid to maximize his skillset, so it's not really an issue considering he landed in KC

Joe Brady did a good job, but man, CEH has nasty cuts and ability to get loose on those routes.

I know it's been talked about before, but Burrow himself called him the "best athlete he's played with" with literally zero hesitation.

Considering the other players on that list, it's a patently absurd claim - and yet, Burrow, who is clearly of level head and extremely sound football mind and IQ, still made it - and doubled down on it.

Clyde also came off the board first, over other prospects we once viewed as potentially generational (I remember the days of Swift 1.01) to a team with perhaps the brightest offensive mind in the NFL calling the plays, and the greatest QB in the NFL executing them - and Clyde was both of their personal picks, over anybody else.

At some point "what he did before 2019" should just be thrown out when the league tells you what it thinks of a player in such clear terms.

When the general fantasy community is already valuing him with complete disregard for his pre 2019 disappearing act, what incentive is there for me to ignore this red flag? I'll throw it out when he proves it in the NFL

[MEuRaH]

I know it's been talked about before, but Burrow himself called him the "best athlete he's played with" with literally zero hesitation.

Considering the other players on that list, it's a patently absurd claim - and yet, Burrow, who is clearly of level head and extremely sound football mind and IQ, still made it - and doubled down on it.

Clyde also came off the board first, over other prospects we once viewed as potentially generational (I remember the days of Swift 1.01) to a team with perhaps the brightest offensive mind in the NFL calling the plays, and the greatest QB in the NFL executing them - and Clyde was both of their personal picks, over anybody else.

At some point "what he did before 2019" should just be thrown out when the league tells you what it thinks of a player in such clear terms.

[AkaliWarrior]

When I see a player with so much positivity, across the board, with almost no dissent, I'll do the head-fake and run the other direction. There are so many CEH truthers, that he's bound to fail. Even if it is up to the fantasy Gods, he's bound to be a middling talent or even a bust. Call it the Madden Cover curse of the fantasy community, but there is so much one-way love for this guy, that it's bound to come crashing down.

[TheNuts]

When I see a player with so much positivity, across the board, with almost no dissent, I'll do the head-fake and run the other direction. There are so many CEH truthers, that he's bound to fail. Even if it is up to the fantasy Gods, he's bound to be a middling talent or even a bust. Call it the Madden Cover curse of the fantasy community, but there is so much one-way love for this guy, that it's bound to come crashing down.

Not really. Consensus top rbs seem to pan out more often than not. Gurley, Zeke, Barkley, Jacobs to a lesser extent. His value certainly jumped from last year.

[Sriracha]

When I see a player with so much positivity, across the board, with almost no dissent, I'll do the head-fake and run the other direction. There are so many CEH truthers, that he's bound to fail. Even if it is up to the fantasy Gods, he's bound to be a middling talent or even a bust. Call it the Madden Cover curse of the fantasy community, but there is so much one-way love for this guy, that it's bound to come crashing down.

Not really. Consensus top rbs seem to pan out more often than not. Gurley, Zeke, Barkley, Jacobs to a lesser extent. His value certainly jumped from last year.

The last time we had a running back that looked like CEH go 1.01 it was 2013. The RB was Giovanni Bernard.

[Zacsby]

When I see a player with so much positivity, across the board, with almost no dissent, I'll do the head-fake and run the other direction. There are so many CEH truthers, that he's bound to fail. Even if it is up to the fantasy Gods, he's bound to be a middling talent or even a bust. Call it the Madden Cover curse of the fantasy community, but there is so much one-way love for this guy, that it's bound to come crashing down.

Not really. Consensus top rbs seem to pan out more often than not. Gurley, Zeke, Barkley, Jacobs to a lesser extent. His value certainly jumped from last year.

The last time we had a running back that looked like CEH go 1.01 it was 2013. The RB was Giovanni Bernard.

His first 3 years actually weren't all that bad. I think prime Gio would have been a beast in KCs offense with Reid as his coach. But CEH has a much better BMI and I think is way more fit to run the ball in today's NFL than Gio was back then.