Joe Mixon Thread: 4 Year extension in Cincy

[Dynasty DeLorean]

I think situation matters more for RB than WR but as others have said, situation changes a lot in football so I'm usually not so worried about it. I haven't read all 25 pages of this thread but a few recent situations come to mind, Example: David Johnson's situation seems to have swung wildly from decent, to great, to awful and now back to just an average situation over the course of his career. Kamara was drafted into a good NFL situation but poor FF situation behind Ingram but that worked out well for him. Chubb was drafted into a bad NFL situation and bad FF situation buried behind Hyde/Duke Johnson and on a 1-31 Browns team but that is the complete opposite of what we see now in year 2.

Yeah it's not as cut and dry as people say. I remember people saying Penny was going to an awful situation because of the O-line, yet both he and Carson averaged over 4.5 YPC. The line ended up not being as bad as ppl said. So if you were staying away because of the perceived bad situation (Carson just kind of came out of nowhere) then you'd have been wrong. Parris Campbell went to a "great" situation with Luck and then Luck retires. Chubb was stuck behind Hyde and Duke and then they're both traded. But then they sign Hunt and we'll see how that works out later in the year.

I totally agree that situation dictates a lot, but many times we don't know what the situation will be by the time a player gets there.

[Vcize]

I think situation matters more for RB than WR but as others have said, situation changes a lot in football so I'm usually not so worried about it. I haven't read all 25 pages of this thread but a few recent situations come to mind, Example: David Johnson's situation seems to have swung wildly from decent, to great, to awful and now back to just an average situation over the course of his career. Kamara was drafted into a good NFL situation but poor FF situation behind Ingram but that worked out well for him. Chubb was drafted into a bad NFL situation and bad FF situation buried behind Hyde/Duke Johnson and on a 1-31 Browns team but that is the complete opposite of what we see now in year 2.

Yeah it's not as cut and dry as people say. I remember people saying Penny was going to an awful situation because of the O-line, yet both he and Carson averaged over 4.5 YPC. The line ended up not being as bad as ppl said. So if you were staying away because of the perceived bad situation (Carson just kind of came out of nowhere) then you'd have been wrong. Parris Campbell went to a "great" situation with Luck and then Luck retires. Chubb was stuck behind Hyde and Duke and then they're both traded. But then they sign Hunt and we'll see how that works out later in the year.

I totally agree that situation dictates a lot, but many times we don't know what the situation will be by the time a player gets there.

I agree and I am generally a talent over situation guy too, but the thing people leave out of these unknown and quickly changing situations is that we often don't know as much about the talent as we think we do either.

People spent a long time blaming situations for Trent Richardson and told us to just trust in the talent. As it turned out, the talent was actually the problem. We see this over and over again every year, though obviously to not as large a gulf in perceived talent as we had with Richardson.

[Goddard]

I think situation matters more for RB than WR but as others have said, situation changes a lot in football so I'm usually not so worried about it. I haven't read all 25 pages of this thread but a few recent situations come to mind, Example: David Johnson's situation seems to have swung wildly from decent, to great, to awful and now back to just an average situation over the course of his career. Kamara was drafted into a good NFL situation but poor FF situation behind Ingram but that worked out well for him. Chubb was drafted into a bad NFL situation and bad FF situation buried behind Hyde/Duke Johnson and on a 1-31 Browns team but that is the complete opposite of what we see now in year 2.

Yeah it's not as cut and dry as people say. I remember people saying Penny was going to an awful situation because of the O-line, yet both he and Carson averaged over 4.5 YPC. The line ended up not being as bad as ppl said. So if you were staying away because of the perceived bad situation (Carson just kind of came out of nowhere) then you'd have been wrong. Parris Campbell went to a "great" situation with Luck and then Luck retires. Chubb was stuck behind Hyde and Duke and then they're both traded. But then they sign Hunt and we'll see how that works out later in the year.

I totally agree that situation dictates a lot, but many times we don't know what the situation will be by the time a player gets there.

I agree and I am generally a talent over situation guy too, but the thing people leave out of these unknown and quickly changing situations is that we often don't know as much about the talent as we think we do either.

People spent a long time blaming situations for Trent Richardson and told us to just trust in the talent. As it turned out, the talent was actually the problem. We see this over and over again every year, though obviously to not as large a gulf in perceived talent as we had with Richardson.

I think I've seen enough from Mixon to know that the talent is there. That's where we obviously disagree. And if your main argument is that Mixon can't be that talented because Gio has looked good when Mixon has missed time, I'm not sure that's enough for me to assume he's any less talented than I originally thought.

[dipANDglide]

Mixon is a massive talent with bellcow upside. BUYING

[notweswelker]

I'm really torn on Mixon. There are people who are hardcore believers who really think his talent is top-5, and people who think he's a bust with no vision. I think the reality is somewhere in between. That line is going to cripple him, at least this season, maybe next as well.
I wouldn't be selling him, considering the upside if they can land some linemen next off-season. But I'm not buying him either.

[Forza_Azzurri]

I'm really torn on Mixon. There are people who are hardcore believers who really think his talent is top-5, and people who think he's a bust with no vision. I think the reality is somewhere in between. That line is going to cripple him, at least this season, maybe next as well.
I wouldn't be selling him, considering the upside if they can land some linemen next off-season. But I'm not buying him either.

I really like Mixons talent and won’t sell him. But Cincy has been such a disaster historically that I don’t see him getting in a better situation unless he switches teams.

[ArrylT]

On the bright side he's only turned 23, and does not have that much tread yet - so we should have ample opportunity to see how this plays out.

Gio Bernard may not be an elite back, but like many players, he is good enough to get the job done - otherwise he wouldn't be on an NFL Roster for so long. I am however in the camp that one player doing well is not alone evidence that another player is good/bad.

[lukkynumber13]

I was happy to see that Mixon improved as a football player this week - YPC says so!

[AussieMate]

He should get 4-6 targets every week, It'll probably never happen though.

[lukkynumber13]

He should get 4-6 targets every week, It'll probably never happen though.

Absolutely.

In terms of starting RBs in the NFL, he’s a top 6 pass catcher ability-wise. Only guys I would rank above him are CMC, Saquon, and Kamara, and probably David Johnson and Bell.

[Krypto_King]

He should get 4-6 targets every week, It'll probably never happen though.

and this is literally the only reason his situation is bad.

[Cult of Dionysus]

He should get 4-6 targets every week, It'll probably never happen though.

Absolutely.

In terms of starting RBs in the NFL, he’s a top 5 pass catcher ability-wise. Only guys I would for sure rank above him are CMC and Kamara, and probably David Johnson and Bell.

Philip Lindsay.

[lukkynumber13]

He should get 4-6 targets every week, It'll probably never happen though.

Absolutely.

In terms of starting RBs in the NFL, he’s a top 5 pass catcher ability-wise. Only guys I would for sure rank above him are CMC and Kamara, and probably David Johnson and Bell.

Philip Lindsay.

Lindsay is fine but I honestly don’t see anything special with his receiving chops.

I feel like because of his body type, we sort of EXPECT him to be a flashy and smooth receiver but I don’t see that as one his primary tools in his toolbox. That dude is amazingly electric with the ball in his hands tho.

[TimeWillTell]

Absolutely.

In terms of starting RBs in the NFL, he’s a top 5 pass catcher ability-wise. Only guys I would for sure rank above him are CMC and Kamara, and probably David Johnson and Bell.

Philip Lindsay.

Lindsay is fine but I honestly don’t see anything special with his receiving chops.

I feel like because of his body type, we sort of EXPECT him to be a flashy and smooth receiver but I don’t see that as one his primary tools in his toolbox. That dude is amazingly electric with the ball in his hands tho.

No Barkley in that list???

[lukkynumber13]

Philip Lindsay.

Lindsay is fine but I honestly don’t see anything special with his receiving chops.

I feel like because of his body type, we sort of EXPECT him to be a flashy and smooth receiver but I don’t see that as one his primary tools in his toolbox. That dude is amazingly electric with the ball in his hands tho.

No Barkley in that list???

I apologize, total brain fart on my part. Yes he’s obviously in that first tier.